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Would you at least agree that I, an an independent non AirTag iOS user, should still be able to opt out of being a part of the AirTag network?

Absolutely, yes! The more user choices there are, the better. And as I said(or at least meant to convey), the product isn't perfect (family sharing car keys anyone? ?). But it's infinitely better than other trackers on the market as the competition put zero effort into their products privacy-wise.
 
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Absolutely, yes! The more user choices there are, the better. And as I said(or at least meant to convey), the product isn't perfect (family sharing car keys anyone? ?). But it's infinitely better than other trackers on the market as the competition put zero effort into their products privacy-wise.

Totally agree with you there.
 
Wow this would be awesome. I keep bluetooth off 99% of the time on my iPhone due to the insanely high EMF it gives off from the U1 chip.
Every time I grab my keys, backpack, etc, those damn AirTags start chirping. Even after only a few hours of no connection. SO. ANNOYING. They used to only do it after 3 days but Apple had to go **** it up and update them to chirp all the time.
 
They need to seriously look at abandoning this product and the worldwide iOS powered "dragnet" they've created here.

How Apple didn't see the obvious issues with these is -- mesmerizing.

The world is chock full of creeps doing really shady things and making an easy way for them to "do more of it"...powered by iOS and Apples tracking network is just an awful move by Apple
There are far cheaper ways to track people
 
There are far cheaper ways to track people

I've admitted there are other ways
(few as discreet and long lasting on the battery as AirTags though..)

It's irrelevant to the concerns about Apple wanting to be in this market and forcing their whole user base to help maintain their "dragnet" --- only way to opt out is lose the ability to find your own phone (which doesn't need to know about other iOS devices)
 
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At this point Apple need to stop selling airtags. It's only a matter of time until one is used in a rape or murder, which is a price far, far, far beyond finding lost keys.

I'm sure Apple's intentions were good when they designed them, but this product is simply too dangerous now.
 
How is one in a million Airtags being used to stalk someone a 'huge issue' while iPhones being used to shoot video up girls skirts rarely ever talked about? How about someone leaving an iPhone in a public bathroom and using an apple watch to start recording? I'm genuinely curious how the reasoning goes here. Why is the Airtag being rendered useless because of this very loud minority of people?
 
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The app will still alert you that this is happening. The only issue is, it will be harder to find. Maybe Apple can make the app to find it, the phone will tell you how close or how far you are to the AirTag.
The nice thing is the iPhone already does that, it gives you direction & distance. No idea about the Android app. A GPS tracker being cheaper than these modified AirTags is an important fact to keep in mind as well.
 
This is a product Apple should pull and destroy the inventory of.

A horrible set of unanticipated consequences has appeared.

Please admit you didn't see it coming and stop selling these.
What a ridiculous statement. I didn't see the outrage with Tile, and before you complain that Find My is a bigger network, where's all the concern about active trackers? Those can broadcast their location themselves and aren't that big. Where's the outrage to make Tile or any other tracker act like a frigging disco ball?

I personally want one that doesn't ding and doesn't tell everyone within a 4 block radius it's there. I want it to track anything that may end up stolen.

Better yet, put out a silent one, then sell a $129 Apple Tracker Checker that lets someone wand over their whole body to make sure someone hasn't rectally inserted one when they weren't looking.

THIS is why we can't have nice things. I don't like it, therefore everyone must hate it just like me, and if you don't, then you're wrong.
 
You can opt-out of being in the network by disabling Find My. But then you won’t be able to use it for you mr iPhone.

Maybe there are other tracking apps for your phone? I mean Tile was complaining about all this.
Apple opened it up so that Tile COULD use Apple’s Find My if they wanted (just like other third parties are releasing compatible hardware). Tile just wanted to extend their own network without having to use Find My, though).

It seems that a lot of proposed “issues” are due to people using Apple, but, at the same time, NOT wanting to use Apple. If a person doesn’t have an iPhone, then they don’t have to worry much about the ‘Tags or Find My at all.
 
Apple opened it up so that Tile COULD use Apple’s Find My if they wanted (just like other third parties are releasing compatible hardware). Tile just wanted to extend their own network without having to use Find My, though).

It seems that a lot of proposed “issues” are due to people using Apple, but, at the same time, NOT wanting to use Apple. If a person doesn’t have an iPhone, then they don’t have to worry much about the ‘Tags or Find My at all.
If you don't have an iPhone, you have to worry much more. Because in order to know if an AirTag is tracking you on Android, you need a separate app. On iPhone it does it automatically. It's not Apple's fault that it's this way, since they don't control Android, but they should really work with Google on this. It's dangerous.
 
With the VAST number of trackers on every platform that sells them, it’s clear that the ONLY reason why this is even a story is because everyone with a website looking for eyeballs knows that a story that involves the Apple logo gets clicks. I COULD be wrong, but I would imagine that Tile would LOVE to be mentioned in at least one story… no, wait, they’ve given up and we’re bought out, right?
 
If you don't have an iPhone, you have to worry much more. Because in order to know if an AirTag is tracking you on Android, you need a separate app. On iPhone it does it automatically. It's not Apple's fault that it's this way, since they don't control Android, but they should really work with Google on this. It's dangerous.
No, I mean if the main concern someone has is “I don’t want to share my location data with Apple”, then they don’t HAVE to, it just requires a decent amount of work intentionally not buying Apple hardware (even going as far as a non-Apple phone).

And this is actually an interesting point. If Apple became the NUMBER 1 tracking device, it by default makes EVERYONE safer because those other devices are nowhere near as traceable back to the owner (or just traceable period as in knowing that one is around you) as the Air Tags.
 
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Can we get an opt out for those of us that don’t want to be part of their AirTag dragnet?
Opting out means “Apple doesn’t know where your device is”. So, Apple wouldn’t know where any of your devices are. BUT, you then want Apple to be able to tell you where your device is when they don’t have the information on where your device is?

I had a friend that was VERY adamant about having location services turned off. Then, would ask me why they weren’t getting the same local weather data that I was. And, wanted to know why my phone changed time zones automatically when flying but theirs didn’t.
 
Opting out means “Apple doesn’t know where your device is”. So, Apple wouldn’t know where any of your devices are. BUT, you then want Apple to be able to tell you where your device is when they don’t have the information on where your device is?

All my other Apple devices either have a GPS built-in or a data connection where they can triangulate from.

“Find your device” was a feature before U1 chips or any third party device location crowdsourcing.

What they are doing to find AirTags is relatively new
 
You can get GPS trackers for way less than $77. Trackers run around $25.
Yeah, but they are physically much larger, requiring more power and bigger batteries. They also require an expensive subscription to connect to the GPS. The beauty of the AirTags is the low power, low range signal, that piggybacks off the network of people's iPhones (and without a subscription), rather than needing a high enough power antenna to connect to GPS. This is why people (including me) were excited about these being great for anti-theft devices, but then were disappointed to discover the anti-tracking measures ruined them as anti-theft devices.
 
I tried removing a speaker from one of my AirTags to see how hard it was...

Turned out it was easy. Took me literally five minutes and didn't even break anything on the tag. It was pry-open, peal-off speaker, click back shut. I followed this video:

Sure, it will silence it. However, anyone with an iPhone that is being "followed" by an AirTag will still be notified. Thus still useless as an anti-theft device.
 
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All my other Apple devices either have a GPS built-in or a data connection where they can triangulate from.

“Find your device” was a feature before U1 chips or any third party device location crowdsourcing.

What they are doing to find AirTags is relatively new
Right, but, say you lose your device. How would you “find” it if your location is not being reported back to Apple? Find my Phone, Find My Friends, Find My Mac ALL worked because the device in question would send it’s information back to Apple so that Apple can provide you that information if you, say, log into iCloud and do Find My.

If the information never gets back to Apple, then when you log into iCloud it’s not going to have any information on where your device is. Your device will know PRECISELY where it is down to a few feet, I believe. But, your device knowing where IT is doesn’t help YOU if your device isn’t telling anyone ELSE where it is.
 
All trackers, not just AirTags, but the media’s disgusting fixation on just one product makes it seem that it’s the only one that can be used in this manner
 
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