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Samsung Admits Major Security Flaw in Galaxy S10 Under-Screen Fingerprint Sensor
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Just goes to show the incredible double standards levelled at Apple. Remember all the criticism aimed at Touch ID and Face ID from day one, even as they continue to remain the gold standard for biometric security even today.
I don't but when it's 90 degrees And your head and hands are sweaty and you have to take that off in order to look up a gas station or modify a GPX track or change a music playlist or log your fuel at the pump, it's pretty annoying especially because FaceID w/ a helmet takes 5+ seconds to show a passcode prompt if you're wearing a helmet you swipe up. wait 5 seconds then finally can enter a passcode. It really adds up. We're talking about 1000 mile days in the saddle or 15 hours of off-roading following a GPX file on the trails and that little extra time where I used to be able to TouchID really adds up. Siri won't work while riding even though my helmet has bluetooth. There are little micro interactions I have to do when during a day of riding (not while riding) that used to be so much easier with TouchID. What I'd like is for FaceID to support helmets maybe my helmet + shape of eyes, cheekbones, nose and eyebrows as an alternative face. That'd be awesome!
I have bought every iPhone every year since the first one. As an Apple fanboy I trust Apple through and through and use everything they make and I've waited for FaceID to finally support full face helmets (utilizing my cheeks, eyes, eyebrows and nose that can be seen when the visor is up) and still no luck. The 4-digit passcode is just so much less secure. My passcode was for years 15 characters because I only needed it after restarting the iPhone but that adds more time so now I'm back to a crappy passcode and hope I never get a brute force hack.
Here's my setup on my touring bike:
and my dirt bike:
The phone is always locked in so I can use gloves to interact with it and enter a passcode but I miss the touch interaction of the button. The big advancement in tech is Qi charging. Both bikes have Qi chargers built into the mounts which is super awesome since the iPhone is interacting with my helmet, GPS tracker on the bike, front & rear dash cams and GoPro (now supplemented by a GoPro remote)
When Off roading, I keep the iPhone unlocked with a GPX file viewer running for our trail riding but if the iPhone auto-sleeps due to a power interruption, I have to stop our entire group to unlock the iPhone again which takes a while to use Face or passcode.
You'll have to google it. there are a few options out there where you get a unique 'skin' thing that's 1 out of 1000 unique-ness then train the phone on it and affix that to your glove.
What kind of helmet do you have? The snowmobile helmet like dirt bike helmets tend to have a pretty wide face opening to allow for goggles. I have a pretty narrow touring helmet that hasn't worked despite trying a few methods.
...and guys you can call this an edge case but Apple had no problem promoting that doctors mask work now with FaceID. There are way more full face motorcycle riders who need to interact with their iPhone than a doctor in surgery. I'm truthfully pretty surprised this doesn't come up more often as a reason. Lots of sports that track data and play music into helmets have full face helmets. I'm always surprised when people can't believe this is a problem.
I think the concern is that an uneducated thief may not notice the line in the manual that they should only use Samsung authorized screen protectors, and they might accidentally open the phone.
I don’t read Korean, or have an S10 to confirm what the UI text says about whether there may be a second set of prints in the system, but just watching this video suggests that this may not be true:
Just like some of the FaceID hacks, happening once somewhere on the Internet doesn't make this an epidemic, but this illustrates the concern.
Yes, and there goes the hope of Underscreen Touch ID iPhone, at least not any time soon.
Anybody else remember when Mythbusters tested the best fingerprint door locks, and concluded none of them were any good?
If someone wanted to, they could find a way to trick the Apple version too.
Locks are for the honest people, not the crooks.
If someone wanted to, they could find a way to trick the Apple version too.
Locks are for the honest people, not the crooks.
There’s not going to be a suit, because nobody cares, because it isn’t happening to Apple.
Lol, I wish that I could give you a “best analogy of the day” award! =)
Major flaw indeed. I still prefer it in the back. It is much more efficient and convenient - pickup your phone and touch the back sensor with your pointy finger. As for face scanner it is not as convenient with touch sensor and I find it funny specially in Face ID because you still have to swipe after your face is recognized 
i don't know if its still the same with iPhone 11 or iOS 13.
i don't know if its still the same with iPhone 11 or iOS 13.
I prefer TouchID because unlocking is intentional. There are many times where FaceID tries to unlock my phone, like when I'm lying in bed and it can't read my face the way I'm holding the phone as I'm picking it up and then all of a sudden BAM it requires a password, which then makes it less convenient. I also am still not a fan of the swipe up to go home gesture relative to the home button. But it is what it is, Apple has embraced FaceID and the full screen interface, and its still far better than anything Android has to offer so what are ya gonna do?
Actually, iPhones CAN explode and there have been (very few) incidents. And certain MacBooks ARE banned on flights. No company has a perfect record.
It’s understandable that screen protector will interfere with fingerprint sensor, but it’s supposed to reject authentication if the collected sensing data does not fit, not letting it pass.
I wonder that “gate” it would be called in this forum, if it’s an iPhone
I wonder that “gate” it would be called in this forum, if it’s an iPhone
So in this second video, the person registers a thumb, and then uses an index finger to attempt to unlock the phone which doesn't work, but when they use the case and their finger it works.
Soooo what was the point of registering their thumb when it is never used to unlock the phone? How about showing a video of them registering the actual finger they use when they used the case?
My point is that we never see the finger used to unlock the phone registered without the case covering it. Whether or not Samsung has a problem, this video looks sketch.
It's an Android phone, your data is already probably circled around by contractors and Google anyway. And not to mention your country's security agencies. So if you're really worried about your 'private data' being leaked, you're worrying about the past.
But if you're just trying to keep thieves out of your device (banking, reset and sell) then this is a huge issue. Really a sloppy job from Samsung, but after the fold Fiasco it's not a huge surprise. Not a huge Samsung phone guy, but at least some of the early ones held their own and weren't done poorly.
But if you're just trying to keep thieves out of your device (banking, reset and sell) then this is a huge issue. Really a sloppy job from Samsung, but after the fold Fiasco it's not a huge surprise. Not a huge Samsung phone guy, but at least some of the early ones held their own and weren't done poorly.
No Macbooks have burst into flames that I have heard about. As I said earlier, this is now probably standard operating procedure after the note 7 fiasco.
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If one wants to only see the notifications, swiping isn't necessary, which is why I think Apple did it this way. All one needs to do is look at the phone and the notifications will be displayed, then you can decide if you want to interact with the phone. For my use case, convenient.Major flaw indeed. I still prefer it in the back. It is much more efficient and convenient - pickup your phone and touch the back sensor with your pointy finger. As for face scanner it is not as convenient with touch sensor and I find it funny specially in Face ID because you still have to swipe after your face is recognized
You have to move your finger down to the bottom edge of the phone to swipe up anyways.
It's a wash.
Major flaw indeed. I still prefer it in the back. It is much more efficient and convenient - pickup your phone and touch the back sensor with your pointy finger. As for face scanner it is not as convenient with touch sensor and I find it funny specially in Face ID because you still have to swipe after your face is recognized
I‘d never want a finger print sensor on the back of a device and its NEVER been the case with Face ID that you had to wait till it unlocked before you could swipe up to go to the home screen. From the release of the iPhone X you have been able to swipe immediately BEFORE it scans your face and it animates the unlocking and it will go to the home screen automatically when it’s finished the scan, you do not have to and never have needed to wait till it’s done. If you’ve had a Face ID iPhone and have been doing it this way for a long time, well. 😂