Samsung Again Caught Inflating Benchmarking Scores, Phil Schiller Calls 'Shenanigans'

[Macboy Pro]

Review from AnandTech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6409/13inch-retina-macbook-pro-review/11

I said MBP, not rMBP.

 

[JAT]

No, if Apple did it then we wouldn't be talking about it at all. News sources would brush it under the rug.

As I recall, the G5 arguments went on for years. Piggie posted a link earlier. But hey, I'm sure you know better.

 

[Macboy Pro]

links, or it didnt happen. oops, you got none.



Anandtech disagrees with you:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/16

"Overall the rMBP pretty much behaves as expected. Apple claims up to 7 hours of battery life and using our light workload we see a bit over that. Fire up the dGPU and even a light workload will get cut down to around 5.5 hours. Moderate usage will drop battery life to around 5 hours"

pretty clear. per apple's website the 7 hours spec is for web use (light use). thats nowhere near the same as hardcoding the processor to perform better for benchmark apps only. nowhere near.

oh, and relax.

I said MBP, not rMBP. Read again!

 

[John.B]

You know for a fact the device in question never pushes more voltage to throttle up when the load increases? Please provide your in depth tests of cpu clock speeds and voltages when engaging the phone in demanding tasks.

Read the Ars article.

 

[Michael Goff]

As I recall, the G5 arguments went on for years. Piggie posted a link earlier. But hey, I'm sure you know better.

I'm fairly certain I posted my response before that link was put up.

 

[magbarn]

I said MBP, not rMBP. Read again!

"Battery life is pretty solid – we got a bit over 7 hours in our light web browsing test (with dynamic GPU switching on), a hair over 6 with dynamic GPU switching off (forcing the GPU to stay on), close to 5.5 hours in our medium-heavy browsing workload, and a bit over 2 hours in our brutal, heavy use case test (which adds a 1MB/s file transfer and a looping 1080p video to our heavy browsing test). Apple quotes 7 hours of “normal” use, and that’s about right based on my standard usage – if you use your notebook for light browsing and word processing with medium levels of brightness, you’ll get at least 7 hours if not a bit more. Obviously, once you start hitting the dGPU hard, it’ll die pretty quickly, but at least GPU efficiency has improved enough that just leaving the GPU on in light workloads doesn’t run down the battery too much."

From Anandtech's 2012 MBP review

Both 2011 and 2012 MBP hit the 7 hour mark.

 

[neutrino23]

Does this seem more of a feature only to me?
When a particularly demanding task, like a benchmark, is executed, the CPU releases more power. I call this "efficiency".
And these numbers came out from the CPU's calculating power, not from nowhere.. how is this fake?

Presumably you wouldn't see this in normal operation. Only when running the benchmark. If the phone ran like this all the time it would drain the battery quickly.

 

[TTile]

All you have to do is go buy a light bulb and you will see confusing and misleading information. For example, what is a 100 watt light bulb? How does a watt indicate how much brightness a light bulb emits?

Or go to Best Buy and look at speakers. What is a 500 watt speaker? Or, what is a 1000 watt amplifier?

Or go to a car lot. Which car that shows 30 miles per gallon can actually get 30 miles per gallon unless all excess weight is removed (like the spare tire) and al of the tires are over inflated?

Huh? Wattage is a measure of electricity used per unit time. I look at wattage when I want to know how much my electric bill will be. If I was interested in high much light the bulb would put out I'd look at lumens.

Also I wasn't trying to say examples didn't exist. I was just asking for relevant ones that related to this article. If someone makes an accusation they should back it up with evidence (unless its common knowledge).

 

[polterbyte]

About as classy as Apple and antennagate with Jobs bagging out every other vendor saying they have the same issue.

As the Macalope so aptly put:

There are so many Apple whatever-gates—Antennagate, Glassgate, Mapsgate, etc.—that the Macalope would like to return the favor to the tech press. Henceforth, whenever a silly pundit writes about a supposed Apple failing, ask their editor why they haven’t done anything about Stupidgate, the continued publication of intensely stupid articles about Apple.

The same can be asked about "the continued publication of intensely stupid" comments trying to bring Apple into a discussion about an entirely different company.

 

[notabadname]

Does this seem more of a feature only to me?
When a particularly demanding task, like a benchmark, is executed, the CPU releases more power. I call this "efficiency".
And these numbers came out from the CPU's calculating power, not from nowhere.. how is this fake?

If the consumer doesn't get to use it, it's not a feature or capability. It was probably hobbled to keep battery performance in spec. But they quietly unlock the speed for the free marketing that comes with different reviews/publications performing benchmarking. It really is a very dishonest game they are playing. A true deception to the consumer, knowing the phone would have these benchmarks published, yet knowing your customers would never see the same results.

 

[mightygitis]

So in reality it's possibly just as fast as the 5S but not more.

 

[tdream]

I'm personally banning ALL samsung device in my house. Washer machine, ssd, screen, tv and ....

Get right of your iPhone 5S, it has a Samsung CPU in it.

 

[NoNothing]

Apple thrives on any opportunity to get noticed. A clever strategy that helps them overcome their shortcomings.

How is Samsung faking the performance of the Note 3 Apple trying to get noticed?

 

[apolloa]

In Europe, maybe, but the banks and retailers here in the US haven't agreed on anything. Apple's core market is the US, where they have 40% of the market. It's a free-for-all right now (sort of like how we never standardized on a single wireless voice communication standard). Apple quite well may be able to establish a de facto standard here.

Hmm I'm not sure that would be a good thing? I mean is Apple then going to allow banks to use it's technology into reading devices in stores, and let other manufacturers use the technology in their phones?
Sony and another company invented/ developed NFC and they have done well to get the technology adopted. I have no problem with this kind of tech so long as it is a fair technology ALL manufacturers can use.

 

[ObsidianIce]

Yes he's quite good at whoa is me, we're the victims.

It's just business, man up and quit whining Apple. If you're still sad look at the billions you have. With Apple greed knows no limits.

I fail to see whining....It pretty clearly states he called shenanigans....

 

[applefan10466]

Samsung is a hilarious company.

 

[apollo1444]

but but but but.. it's got quad core chip in it that's how fandroid people rationalize

 

[dojoman]

Oh boy!! This thread will explode.

 

[applelover1016]

Like when Apple lied about the iPhone 4's signal strength problems being just faulty signal bar code?

They got blasted by the press for that and now samsung is getting blasted for what they did. Both phones are fast so why does samsung feel the need to add anything for faster results. I think thats the point of this thread.

 

[TMay]

iB.... who??? So next thing I've never heard of it. And congratulations on an incorrect assumption calling me an 'Androidite', I bet next you'll tell me I have a Samsung Galaxy
Nope, NFC has been adopted as a standard which the banks have got behind too, the banks are never going to back an Apple only system that locks you into it. Never.
So yes NFC is useful. And hardly last gen, but I guess if Apple didn't invent it then it must be rubbish right?

Has nothing to do with Apple inventing it, and more to do with the fact that BLE is active.

Example:

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...es-ibeacons-for-fan-convenience-interactivity

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Hmm I'm not sure that would be a good thing? Imean is Apple then going to allow banks to use it's technology into reading devices in stores, and let other manufacturers use the technology in their phones?
Sony and another company invented/ developed NFC and they have done well to get the technology adopted. I have no problem with this kind of tech so long as it is a fair technology ALL manufacturers can use.

The technology is open. Smartphones just need BLE.

 

[jack2wai2]

Ouch. I thought we are in fast enough era already? Oh yeah, it's about iphone only. Poor Sammy still needs to boost the performance.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

Samsung presents their biggest effort in innovation and feature on their phones: The Benchmark Booster.

 

[califlorida]

It always amuses me that people come to this site to bash Apple...
What a waste of time

 

[phoenixsan]

Not happy enough......

with legal setbacks, Samsung have to tamper benchmarks......shame on you, Samsung.....I smell dispair.............

 

[Renzatic]

but but but but.. it's got quad core chip in it that's how fandroid people rationalize

Yup. On one hand, we have all the fandroids screaming about how quad-core CPUs makes their phones faster and more awesome as if it actually means something. On the other, we now have years of hearing iFans yak their heads off about 64-bit processors, and how it makes Facebook run twice as fast to look forward to

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