Samsung Again Caught Inflating Benchmarking Scores, Phil Schiller Calls 'Shenanigans'

[TMay]

with legal setbacks, Samsung have to tamper benchmarks......shame on you, Samsung.....I smell dispair.............

Why tamper if you can build a group to do that for you:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/26/mobilebench-benchmarks-samsung/

Really, really, a moronic undertaking.

 

[the8thark]

Stop jerking around. My comment was aiming toward samsung PRODUCTS, not COMPONENTS.

A product is just the sum of it's components though.

 

[dejo]

A product is just the sum of it's components though.

A product is more than just the sum of its components.

 

[portishead]

I have to say, this is pretty embarrassing for Samsung. I'm not sure if this is or will hit any mainstream news outlets, but It could really hurt their reputation.

I like Samsung because they push Apple to do things differently and better. Competition is good.

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A product is more than just the sum of its components.

A product may have the ability to exceed the sum of it's components. That's the best I got.

 

[DodgeV83]

Have you read those articles? GPU is overclocked NOT ONLY for benchmarks but for some selected apps too. For example, camera app is executed in the same mode. This looks like a primitive implementation of turbo mode where overclocking is based on app type rather than on thermal conditions. Obviously Phil is too dumb to understand this.

This is different:

We were unable to replicate this CPU boosting behavior in any of the stock apps or for 3D games like Shadowrun, Madden, or Minecraft—it seems to be a special CPU mode just for benchmark apps.

 

[dcorban]

In Europe, maybe, but the banks and retailers here in the US haven't agreed on anything. Apple's core market is the US, where they have 40% of the market. It's a free-for-all right now (sort of like how we never standardized on a single wireless voice communication standard). Apple quite well may be able to establish a de facto standard here.

Not just in Europe. Canada has been using NFC for years. Virtually every store has an NFC reader. Every credit company and bank offers NFC in their credit and debit cards, usually by default, and sometimes without a non-NFC option. It's ubiquitous here, and it is damn convenient. I literally do not even open my wallet. I simply wave my wallet near the NFC reader to pay.

 

[KPOM]

Not just in Europe. Canada has been using NFC for years. Virtually every store has an NFC reader. Every credit company and bank offers NFC in their credit and debit cards, usually by default, and sometimes without a non-NFC option. It's ubiquitous here, and it is damn convenient. I literally do not even open my wallet. I simply wave my wallet near the NFC reader to pay.

Security is another concern here in the US. We haven't adopted chip-and-pin, and NFC is relatively easy to crack. For a country as advanced as ours, our payment systems are very archaic.

My point here isn't to justify our payment systems (they need an overhaul - I still write checks occasionally). However, it does explain why Apple is in no real hurry to add NFC. "Fair" or not, Apple will build for the North American market, and the US specifically. While Canada sometimes follows us and sometimes doesn't, with a population smaller than California they won't be the tipping factor. Probably the only other country that might influence Apple as much is China.

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This is different:

True. Heck, all Ars Technica had to do was hide GeekBench 3's identity from the Note 3 and it slowed down. It's one thing for a manufacturer to optimize a CPU for activities most likely to be used by a benchmark. At least app developers know what they need to do. It's another thing completely to detect that a benchmark is running and shut down every single power-saving feature possible to maximize performance.

Good benchmarks are designed to mimic real-world performance. But it becomes impossible to do so when manufacturers like Samsung and HTC circumvent them.

 

[Zerilos]

I haven't 'thrown a tantrum', did you read my post and realise I have actually NOT defended Samsung and now changed your wording then? seems like it. Also those TV ads only show the features the iPhone lacks really. Like NFC for one. But hey I didn't feel insulted by them, then again I've never queued for several hours to buy a phone
And Phil Schiller is not exactly an Apple employee in the same light as a store assistant! He is a well known Apple executive who should behave better rather than stoke the fire.

I'm sticking with tantrum, cause like you I like to portray situations in a manner wildly inconsistent with what actually happened (you didn't actually throw a tantrum). Regardless, your insistence that Schiller is behaving poorly by tweeting the Ars T article (and quoting the article by saying "shenanigans") is simply absurd. Samsung has more than once publicly and officially referred to iPhone users as "sheep". This obviously had the approval of high ranking Samsung execs. Is this not "slanderous" because they did it on a tv commercial instead of on Twitter? If so...why? For the record, I don't think it was slanderous either, just in bad taste.

Let me ask you, were you as outraged when the CEO of Nokia grabbed an iPhone from a reporter and tossed it across the room, or do you save your outrage for Apple execs only? Please link us to the outrage you expressed on Nokia forums over his behavior; otherwise I'll assume it didn't bother you and you're merely being hypocritical.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57575752-94/nokia-ceo-elop-throws-iphone-on-live-tv/

 

[Zerilos]

I was not aware the unwritten rule of benching is "normal activity"

The reason I say this, when people in IT refer to benching, its all about getting the highest score possible, which in terms of benching systems (PCs) is to overclock them to the point of where they are just stable enough to run the benchmark, and not remain stable in everyday use. They even run events to see how far people can OC intel/amd chips etc. Choose OS versions and drivers that deliver the most performance, instead of stability.

Now samsung have been know to be dodgey but these benchmarks mean little to average users anyway, as do hardcore benchmarks

Almost every CPU would benchmark way higher if you overclocked it to the point that it would burn out after about 30 minutes use. Most people want to know what type of performance they can expect without having their phone catch fire. Also, what good is a benchmark score if it tests a device at a setting higher than the device is permitted to run at (except for specific benchmarking apps).

 

[HenryDJP]

I'm a huge Apple enthusiast, yet it's frustrating to see them act desperate in fear of Samsung and Android needlessly.

Oy vey, calling someone out for their shenanigans isn't desperate.

 

[MacMulti]

Phil Schiller calls it shenanigans. I call it scumbags!

 

[haruhiko]

Samsung fans logic: if Samsung does any bad things, then Apple must be doing it too.

 

[clibinarius]

The key word is "device". I don't consider my iPhone a Samsung device in any way, shape or form. I don't care how many Samsung stamped components are inside.

So you don't care that it is manufactured by Samsung essentially but stamped with an Apple logo? I'd recommend getting rid of the Samsung parts. Otherwise, you're buying Samsung. Clearly, you don't want to support them, or something or other.

 

[KPOM]

I have to say, this is pretty embarrassing for Samsung. I'm not sure if this is or will hit any mainstream news outlets, but It could really hurt their reputation.

It won't because it isn't Apple. If it were Apple, it would be headline news, even if the shutdown were resolved or the US defaulted on its debt.

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So you don't care that it is manufactured by Samsung essentially but stamped with an Apple logo? I'd recommend getting rid of the Samsung parts. Otherwise, you're buying Samsung. Clearly, you don't want to support them, or something or other.

Samsung is merely a factory. Apple designed the chip and put out the contract for bid. Samsung can't use the chip for its own phones because it has no legal right to do so. But they have some good foundries so Apple contracts with them.

Tim Cook probably relies on his secretary to book his flights and arrange phone calls and meetings. Would you say his secretary is more important to Apple than he is?

 

[Spacial]

This thread is revealing the emotional attachment so many people have to anything they percieve as a threat to Apple. Too bad they refuse to step back, look at the big picture & just laugh this off. It's nothing, but it's been made into a big deal because one of Apples rock star execs addressed it. Oh my what a travesty

 

[portishead]

No, Phil thinks he's awesome. "Can't innovate my a$$", then he shows everyone a trash can.

Phil does a good job. What have you done lately besides trolled macrumors?

This thread is revealing the emotional attachment so many people have to anything they percieve as a threat to Apple. Too bad they refuse to step back, look at the big picture & just laugh this off. It's nothing, but it's been made into a big deal because one of Apples rock star execs addressed it. Oh my what a travesty

Your post reveals to me how sad your life must be to hate Apple and it's users so much that you waste your life posting nonsense about a story that isn't even about Apple.

 

[Zerilos]

So you don't care that it is manufactured by Samsung essentially but stamped with an Apple logo? I'd recommend getting rid of the Samsung parts. Otherwise, you're buying Samsung. Clearly, you don't want to support them, or something or other.

The chip and flash storage are manufactured by Samsung as are some of the screens. Less than half of an iPhone or iPad is manufactured by Samsung. Regardless, Apple designs their devices and software.

 

[Squilly]

What? Multi billion dollar corporations lying? I have never heard such blasphemy!

Eh, look at Apple. Not like they don't lie about their performance increases. Just not as bad as this stunt from Samsung...

 

[pr5owner]

Since when was running your 2.3GHz CPU at 2.3GHz cpu to test the limits cheating? they did NOT overclock the CPU at any point during the test.

no one is going to need 2.3GHz for facebook or twitter so the cpu will auto down clock, save battery, save the circuit's life span, and save the board from melting.

similarly im not going to drive my Model S at the limit to get the full 443lbft of torque at every single stop light, but for a 0-60 or dyno test, sure, ill do it once or twice.

you guys need to relax, apple already got caught "cheating" when it comes to ipad benchmarks.

almost all Note3's are capable of running at 2.3GHz for a short time and actually achieve the benchmark scores, apple on the other hand made up the 4x faster than the tegra 3 score and third parties cannot verify their claim.

most android users that are knowledgeable would have better scores than what Samsung puts out anyways since you can root the note and overclock it to whatever you want (within reason)

 

[Jaimi]

Don't care

I don't care if they're pulling shenanigans or not. I'm buying one anyway, because apple has had years to put out a larger phone, and just won't.

 

[JAT]

I'm fairly certain I posted my response before that link was put up.

??? This is not a conversational response to my comment. Are you starting a new conversation? I'm not interested in debating when comments are posted, I trust the time stamp the site provides.

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Since when was running your 2.3GHz CPU at 2.3GHz cpu to test the limits cheating? they did NOT overclock the CPU at any point during the test.

Are you benchmarking a phone or a processor?

 

[captain kaos]

Not surprised. Corrupted company.

You came to this conclusion, how exactly?

 

[whtrbt7]

Samsung isn't really, "inflating" the benchmark scores, they are just "gaming" the benchmarks in order to have better scores. That said, the point of benchmarks is to give a better overall feel for how powerful a device is under normal use. Samsung invalidates their scores by "gaming" the benchmarks. The other matter is that Android isn't built with the Exynos processor in mind which would affect performance anyways. Any way you slice it, core functions are still faster in iOS7 on the most modern iOS device compared to Android on the most modern Android devices. If I had some wicked number crunching app for the GS4, I would probably use one as a daily device but as it stands, anything below a GNoteII is pretty much lagged for core functions.

 

[DodgeV83]

Samsung is merely a factory. Apple designed the chip and put out the contract for bid. Samsung can't use the chip for its own phones because it has no legal right to do so. But they have some good foundries so Apple contracts with them.

Why can't people understand this concept?

When someone spends years writing a dissertation, it doesn't matter which brand copy machine they use to make duplicates. If they choose Kinko's because they offer the cheapest price for 1,000 copies, no one will claim they are reading a "Kinko's product".

 

[inscrewtable]

I'm reminded of the ironically named Australian leader of the Democrats, Don Chipp's famous comment when he described his party's aim as to "keep the bastards honest"