Samsung Aiming to Supply OLED Displays for Both iPads and MacBooks

In the US, at least, the wireless carriers had complete control over the market, and were really the customers for the phone manufacturers. The wireless carriers picked and chose what they deigned to give to their end users. Apple negotiated vigorously, finally got Cingular/AT&T to cave, and got a system where there was a strong direct connection between the phone manufacturer and the end user - they were more interested in making phones with compelling features the end users wanted, rather than satisfying the wireless carriers' whims. It kind of broke the market open, in the US. And things advanced much faster than they would have otherwise, into a world where smartphones are a platform, rather than just devices from a wireless carrier.
Yes and no. RIM has no dealings with carriers. Carriers hated the idea of messaging apps like RIM's BBM because it went into their main cash cow at the time which was text messaging plans.

Other phone makers did do stuff at the whim of carriers. In the end, Apple made carriers become the tubes they were meant to be.

AT&T caved to Apple due to AT&T thinking it was going to flop. Heck they didn't even expect the amount of data the iPhone would drive.
 
Not really, finding other business partners when you have leading technologies in your pocket is a no-brainer.

Samsung would be still doing great without Apple, they don’t only manufacture computer and gadget parts. They do their own gadgets which sells very well, they are even into military hardware, and much more, and they do real research.

While Apple has nothing without Samsung and TSMC, except their OS. But hey, they know how to puzzle achievements of others, that’s also some kind of a competence for a quickie.

They aren’t investing their billions to secure Apples future and still reaping the fruits that were sow by Woz and Jobs. Let’s see how long the bubble will last. The products introduced in Tim‘s area were all a failure compared to pre-Tim products.

But yeah, when you see a company trying to protect „round corners“ instead of a great technology, it’s easy to see where their competence is.
Chaebols 재벌 are nothing new… you can look into Korean economics, politics and society.
You too could live in a society of “family owned” (hereditary) conglomerate monopolies.
 
Isn’t blue the color of light we are supposed to be avoiding for eye “burnout”?
Blue is just the color of the backlight. The spectral distribution of the light you see should be no different* from that of a display that uses a white backlight. [*More precisely, to the extent there are differences, it would be the normal between-display differences seen due to color accuracy, calibration, uniformity, etc.]
 
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Blue is just the color of the backlight. The spectral distribution of the light you see should be no different* from that of a display the uses a white backlight. [*More precisely, to the extent there are differences, it would be the normal between-display differences seen due to color accuracy, calibration, uniformity, etc.]
Ah cool! Thanks for the info. I’m not well read on this tech
 
I LOVE the OLED on my Dell XPS15 I use for work.

I find most the people that are against OLED act like it's the exact same it was in like 2008 and usually refer to an issue they had with like a Galaxy S4 or S5 phone.

No Signs of burn in? How long have you had it?
 
The new QD-OLED TVs and monitors have the lowest off-axis color and brightness shifts of any modern display technology. (Plasma and CRT were good with this property, but no longer available, of course). So there’s nothing inherent in OLED tech that means good viewing angles aren’t possible. But mobile tech often uses different compromises than bigger screens. My iPad quite a lot more brightness loss off-axis than my cheap (but still IPS) desktop monitors.
One disadvantage of current QD-OLED displays is that the screens reflect indirect light more, so the blacks aren’t as good in well-lit environments.
If its regular OLED, then no, I would refuse to buy it.

If it is QD-OLED, then I think thats a good choice.
And the good news is, Samsung is the company behind QD-OLED.....so there is hope Apple is going with the better technology.

One disadvantage that the new Alienware QD-OLED display has shown which would be of concern is how text looks compared to the older OLED technologies.

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But maybe this can be handled in software by using a different sub pixel redering? 🤔

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What would Apple be without Samsung and TSMC?! 🤣

Imagine if Apple focused on making Displays like they did processors. That is what Samsung doesn't want. TSMC partners with Apple so Apple doesn't go off and creates a full semi-conductor division to build its own chips.
 
Apple has been transitioning its iPad and MacBook lines to mini-LED displays over the last year, and OLED would be the next step after that.

No it wouldn't.

They use OLED on iPhones and Watches because it's tolerable for consumer use. They use mini-LED on iPad Pros and MacBooks because those are used by graphics professionals who don't want to tolerate OLED's garbage unreliable color.

They also literally just switched to mini-LED last year. Why would they switch to yet another tech soon after?

Unless Samsung has found a way to make OLED less terrible, Apple ain't using it in high-end products.
 
One disadvantage that the new Alienware QD-OLED display has shown which would be of concern is how text looks compared to the older OLED technologies.

But maybe this can be handled in software by using a different sub pixel redering? 🤔

It could, but subpixel rendering is dead anyway. Modern Windows UI frameworks don't have it, iPhone has never had it, macOS mostly doesn't have it any more (especially once a CA layer is involved).

Neither Apple nor Microsoft has been interested in porting their subpixel pipeline to the GPU, and without that, it's dead in the water. You'd have to either give up on using layers, or on GPU acceleration, and neither is happening.
 
Yep, you see them here bashing Samsung without mercy when they make (or made in the past) iPhone’s screen,

Apple's. Manufacturer is BOE.


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Apple's. Manufacturer is TSMC.


Yes, to your phone, Samsung is a frequent Apple supplier, but perhaps not to the extent you're thinking.
 
I LOVE the OLED on my Dell XPS15 I use for work.

I find most the people that are against OLED act like it's the exact same it was in like 2008 and usually refer to an issue they had with like a Galaxy S4 or S5 phone.
Yup, that XPS 15 OLED might be the nicest panel I have ever seen on a laptop. My MBP looks washed out in comparison.
 
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Apple's. Manufacturer is TSMC.



Yes, to your phone, Samsung is a frequent Apple supplier, but perhaps not to the extent you're thinking.
Those are just one supplier of each of those, they don’t use just one as we know….
 
It could, but subpixel rendering is dead anyway. Modern Windows UI frameworks don't have it, iPhone has never had it, macOS mostly doesn't have it any more (especially once a CA layer is involved).

Neither Apple nor Microsoft has been interested in porting their subpixel pipeline to the GPU, and without that, it's dead in the water. You'd have to either give up on using layers, or on GPU acceleration, and neither is happening.
Pardon my ignorance, but does this mean that's the way it will look on a QD-OLED going forward?

 
No it wouldn't.

They use OLED on iPhones and Watches because it's tolerable for consumer use. They use mini-LED on iPad Pros and MacBooks because those are used by graphics professionals who don't want to tolerate OLED's garbage unreliable color.

They also literally just switched to mini-LED last year. Why would they switch to yet another tech soon after?

Unless Samsung has found a way to make OLED less terrible, Apple ain't using it in high-end products.
Do you have any data to support your claims? Just as an example, here is what DisplayMate had to say about Galaxy S20 Ultra display:

Conclusion Summary

Based on our extensive Lab Tests and Measurements the Galaxy S20 Ultra has a Very Impressive Excellent Top Tier World Class Smartphone Display with close to Text Book Perfect Calibration Accuracy and Performance that is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect. Based on our objective Lab Tests and Measurements the Galaxy S20 Ultra receives a DisplayMate Best Smartphone Display Award earning DisplayMate’s highest ever Display Performance Grade of A+ and setting or matching 12 Smartphone Display Performance Records.

OLED Display Performance

OLED has evolved into a highly refined and mature display technology that now produces the best and highest performance displays for Smartphones.

OLED Display Performance continues to provide major Record Setting improvements with every new generation. For the Galaxy S20 Ultra, Samsung has concentrated on significantly raising the on-screen Absolute Picture Quality and Absolute Color Accuracy of the OLED display by implementing Precision Factory Display Calibration, moving the overall Galaxy S20 Ultra display performance up to impressive Record Setting Outstanding levels with 12 Display Performance Records, including Absolute Color Accuracy at a very impressive 0.5 JNCD that is Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect.
 
If its regular OLED, then no, I would refuse to buy it.

If it is QD-OLED, then I think thats a good choice.
And the good news is, Samsung is the company behind QD-OLED.....so there is hope Apple is going with the better technology.
QD OLED is too expensive.
 
Apple's. Manufacturer is BOE.



Sunwoda



Kioxia



SK Hynix



Apple's. Manufacturer is TSMC.



Yes, to your phone, Samsung is a frequent Apple supplier, but perhaps not to the extent you're thinking.

You are talking about one specific model and a specific year I guess.

  • The A-Chip was manufactured by Samsung until 2013, then Apple sued them for patent infringement and went with TSMC, then again in 2018 Samsung started making A-Chips along with TSMC. Apple did push to successfully phase Samsung out in the last two years.

  • The storage unit and RAM memory was provided by Toshiba and Samsung for many iPhones.

  • The camera sensor has gone back and forth between Samsung and Sony for many iPhones.

  • The screen is made by Samsung still. Apple has tried to diversify and bring other manufacturers but they still don’t meet Samsung’s performance in quality and number by far. Apple has even had to pay Samsung money several times for not purchasing enough panels, they are still pushing for LG and even purchased a Japanese company for that.
 
Pardon my ignorance, but does this mean that's the way it will look on a QD-OLED going forward?

No, on such a display, you should disable ClearType (presumably, Windows will eventually do this automatically), and then the anti-aliasing will simply be greyscale.

Windows might also add support for the subpixel layout. But don’t be shocked if they never do, since it isn’t the future.

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