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I've been waiting to buy ipadAir for half a year, just waited for lifeProof's nuud and it's cover to show up this side of the Pond.

I can pay for better OS, but what makes me angry is how Apple blackmails money for memory. You get TabS with 32GB $500. You get air with 32GB for the same price. But 128GB air will cost you $800. TabS with 160GB of memory will cost you $600!

I don't know if Apple is marketing for fools or people who like to brag how much money they waste, but I don't get a good buying experience with this equation.
 
I've been waiting to buy ipadAir for half a year, just waited for lifeProof's nuud and it's cover to show up this side of the Pond.

I can pay for better OS, but what makes me angry is how Apple blackmails money for memory. You get TabS with 32GB $500. You get air with 32GB for the same price. But 128GB air will cost you $800. TabS with 160GB of memory will cost you $600!

I don't know if Apple is marketing for fools or people who like to brag how much money they waste, but I don't get a good buying experience with this equation.

Where exactly can you get a Tab S with 160GB on board storage? Currently the only version for pre-order in the US is 16GB.
 
I've been waiting to buy ipadAir for half a year, just waited for lifeProof's nuud and it's cover to show up this side of the Pond.

I can pay for better OS, but what makes me angry is how Apple blackmails money for memory. You get TabS with 32GB $500. You get air with 32GB for the same price. But 128GB air will cost you $800. TabS with 160GB of memory will cost you $600!

I don't know if Apple is marketing for fools or people who like to brag how much money they waste, but I don't get a good buying experience with this equation.

With all due respect, may be IOS device is not for you? There are people in the world that who drive $60K BMW and there are people who drive $15K Toyota. There are people who like the organic vegetable for dinner and there are people who don't care for organic food. There is nothing wrong with either end of the spending habit. We should be glad that we have the choice.

Price for the hardware is just one element of the cost. The time that it take me to learn to do a task with my smartphone is a cost to me also. If you make $10K a year working 2000 hours a year, your time is worth $5 an hour. However, if you make $100K a year working the same 2000 hours a year, your time is worth $50 an hour. If you make $1M a year, your time is worth $500 an hour. How much do you value your time?

Just because you don't understand why people are willing to pay for higher priced good does not give you the right to call other a "fool" or people who waste their money. According to your view, the world should not have any luxury good or high priced items. Every steak should be price $3.99 a lb and whoever buy a t-bone steak for dinner at $7.99 a lb is a fool :cool:. And anyone who don't shop in Walmart or Target are fool?. Please remember when you pay for an IOS device, you get all the IOS apps that come with it. I value the IOS experience so I pay for the IOS device. If I don't like it, I will buy something else. May be you should spend some time to understand how business price their goods and how supply and demand work? That is economic 101 stuff that they teach in high school and freshman college course, nothing fancy. You should admire the fact that Apple pull this off. Selling stuff at rock bottom price is easy. Selling high margin stuff is hard.
 
Price for the hardware is just one element of the cost. The time that it take me to learn to do a task with my smartphone is a cost to me also. If you make $10K a year working 2000 hours a year, your time is worth $5 an hour. However, if you make $100K a year working the same 2000 hours a year, your time is worth $50 an hour. If you make $1M a year, your time is worth $500 an hour. How much do you value your time?
With all due respect and making this amazingly short: charging ridiculous amonts for non-upgradeable memory is just hardware element. Do you think iOS would be less great if devices had microSD slot? Or do you think having microSD slot somehow alters the learning curve? And last but not least, do you think rich people want to pay more than they have to?
I just bought 128GB ipad, not because I'm rich and not because I wouldn't like to have that microSD, but because I like iOS. But because I like iOS does not make me happy to pay ridicilous amounts for ram. Apple have monopolu over their OS's and this "take it or leave it" situation does not make my buying experience any better.
Maybe American market it too bi-polar. Some people have too much money and they like to show it and others just want to be alike...
 
With all due respect and making this amazingly short: charging ridiculous amonts for non-upgradeable memory is just hardware element. Do you think iOS would be less great if devices had microSD slot? Or do you think having microSD slot somehow alters the learning curve? And last but not least, do you think rich people want to pay more than they have to?
I just bought 128GB ipad, not because I'm rich and not because I wouldn't like to have that microSD, but because I like iOS. But because I like iOS does not make me happy to pay ridicilous amounts for ram. Apple have monopolu over their OS's and this "take it or leave it" situation does not make my buying experience any better.
Maybe American market it too bi-polar. Some people have too much money and they like to show it and others just want to be alike...

The problem is that you are missing the tree from the forest. Your view show no understand on how capital market work. The best business are the one that build stuff that cost $1 to build and can sell it for $1000. Not the one that spend $999 to build a widget and sell the same widget for $1000. And do you know the manufacturing cost of every thing you bought in the last few months and decide what it the right price you should pay for them? If not, why is Apple so special?

The truth is that IOS device occupy in the upper price range of smiliar mobile device and have been for years now. If you study Econ 101 at all, you will understand the concept of price elasticity. There is no reason to get upset about the pricing policy at all. As a consumer, if you find Apple device is too expensive for the benefit they give you, don't buy it. And if enough customers withhold their purchase, the business will fail. If you find it worth your money, you will buy it. Someone may buy Apple because of their brand number much like someone is willing to pay a few thousand dollars for an LV purse. May be the better question to ask if why LV can command such a high price for each purse but another purse manufacturer Coach can not? Apple sold anywhere between 30M to 55M iphone and 10 to 20M Ipad a quarter for the last couple years (look at the quarterly earning report if you disagree with the number). That mean 40M to 75M users decide that Iphone/Ipad is worth their money. How is your opinion compare to these 40 to 75M customers' opinion? Just because it does not fit your paradigm of how IOS device should be priced mean very little other than Apple will loss you as a client. And from Apple's angle, they will evaluate the pricing policy every quarter. They will try to optimize their profit margin. So if they think that it work out best for the overall profit, they may start with 32G in the next device for all we know. That is how business is run and not by jumping up and down in msg board :cool:
 
With all due respect, may be IOS device is not for you? There are people in the world that who drive $60K BMW and there are people who drive $15K Toyota.

Smartphone-car analogies continue to fail.

The trouble with such "iPhone is only for the rich" haughtiness, is that over 90% of world iPhone sales are subsidized, so the overwhelming majority of buyers are paying $200 or less upfront. Look around. People on food stamps have iPhones.

The truth is that IOS device occupy in the upper price range of smiliar mobile device and have been for years now. If you study Econ 101 at all, you will understand the concept of price elasticity. There is no reason to get upset about the pricing policy at all. As a consumer, if you find Apple device is too expensive for the benefit they give you, don't buy it. And if enough customers withhold their purchase, the business will fail.

The only reason iPhones (or other high end phones) are able to occupy an upper price range and sell in the quantity that they do, is subsidies, where the cost is hidden from the user.

In places without subsidies, such high end phones are indeed the niche market that you are incorrectly trying to apply everywhere.
 
The only reason iPhones (or other high end phones) are able to occupy an upper price range and sell in the quantity that they do, is subsidies, where the cost is hidden from the user.

In places without subsidies, such high end phones are indeed the niche market that you are incorrectly trying to apply everywhere.

Yes, subsidy play a hugh role of Apple Iphone success. But what is your point. Subsidy are here today and that is the market place today. If subsidy go away tomorrow, life will be different.

At the beginning of time Verizon did not want to subsidy Iphone and loss enough users to ATT that they joined the Iphone subsidy also. Japan Docomo and China Mobile both join the Iphone subsidy game with the 5s. Why? Because financially they get burned by losing customer to the subsidized Iphone offered by their competitors. Telecom are not doing Apple a favor. They went through their own calculation as to whether it is more profitable to provide subsidy or carry Iphone at all. All the telecom are free to not carry Iphone and not giving Apple the subsidy. But would they?

I have no problem that you don't like Iphone and don't like Apple. But please don't call users that choose to use Iphone stupid or pretend to be rich. I am an Iphone 5s users and I know why I spend my for an Iphone instead of a S4. Just because you like other phone does not give you the right to call me stupid.
 
Yes, subsidy play a hugh role of Apple Iphone success. But what is your point. Subsidy are here today and that is the market place today. If subsidy go away tomorrow, life will be different.

The point is that it is a fallacy to compare high priced subsidized phones (of any make) to a high priced auto. Autos are not subsidized down to 1/3 to 1/4 of their normal price.

At the beginning of time Verizon did not want to subsidy Iphone and loss enough users to ATT that they joined the Iphone subsidy also.

Historically incorrect. There was no iPhone subsidy by AT&T the first year.

Instead, Apple sold the original iPhone at full price AND took monthly AT&T payments that would've normally been used for a customer subsidy. Basically, Apple was double-dipping.

I have no problem that you don't like Iphone and don't like Apple.

Whoa. I like the iPhone and I don't dislike Apple. It's certain attitudes that I dislike.

One of them is the idea that people have to obey a "love it or leave it" rule. Just because someone complains about Apple's memory pricing scheme, does not mean they should buy something else. It's quite possible to like a device and yet wish certain things about were better.
 
I love how Sammy releases a new tablet and/or phone every 2 hours lol. And with working at best buy, I have to keep up be knowledgable about all these products. Lol I'm just sitting here like, damn bro....y'all just came out with 27 tablets yesterday and now another one? Lol
 
I love how Sammy releases a new tablet and/or phone every 2 hours lol. And with working at best buy, I have to keep up be knowledgable about all these products. Lol I'm just sitting here like, damn bro....y'all just came out with 27 tablets yesterday and now another one? Lol

You are spot on.
 
You are spot on.

Yes you both are. But look at it from the consumer perspective. We get to buy 2 month old tablets at a bargain! Heard you could get the Tab Pro 8.4 for $199 after $50 rebate from BB a couple of months ago.
 
Yes you both are. But look at it from the consumer perspective. We get to buy 2 month old tablets at a bargain! Heard you could get the Tab Pro 8.4 for $199 after $50 rebate from BB a couple of months ago.

But as people who both work on the other side of that, it is ridiculous trying to keep up knowledge about every single device. It's a pain. I have a Samsung tablet that isn't that old and it is so out-dated that I could vomit.
 
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