Samsung Announces New Galaxy S23 Ultra With 200-Megapixel Camera

[M3gatron]

I agree. The battery was the one thing holding Samsung back. Well that and the shutter lag and the inconsistent animation stutters. I do see iPhone users considering Samsung this gen

Yeah, I was surprised, one of the forum moderators(on iphone threads) on a site I frequent which was an iphone user for the last 6 years just bought a Galaxy S23U while at the same time selling his iphone 12 Pro.

 

[DeepIn2U]

He didn't say anything wrong.
All people here making assumption about Samsung's 200MP don't really seem to know what they are talking about.

First it needs to be establish that the S23U DOESN'T take 200MP PICTURES BY DEFAULT. By default it takes 12MP images, so no different than any smartphone of the market.
In terms of details the S23U improved a lot vs the S22U, while if you would follow the logic from people here ranting on Samsung's 200MP camera the S23U should actually perform worse than it's predecessor which is obviously not the case.

Second, Samsung is a company with a long history in photography and a lot of experience and technologies related to this field. They not long ago made very good dedicated cameras. The 200MP was developed by Samsung and even if, even I was skeptical I first, Samsung obviously knew why were doing when they chose to create this sensor.
The 200MP sensor is not a "low end camera sensor" with just high mega-pixel count like a lot of users here are trying to suggest, its a state of the art new camera sensor which performs as well as you would expect a high-end smartphone camera sensor to perform.

Third, regarding pixel binning. The S23U combines 16 pixels into one and there are already comparisons between the default 12MP mode and the 200MP mode. The default 12MP mode massively improves dynamic range and low light performance(so also cleans the image really good when it comes to noise) while the 200MP is incredibly detailed in decent light conditions and it's a huge step up from the 108MP used in previous Samsung flagships.

All in all, in the camera department the S23U is definitely not a disappointment and brings solid improvement from Samsung.

That’s great info.

Still doesn’t talk about the word binning which may be incorrectly used. The description of the end affect is correct but I doubt it’s the right definition in this application/use case.

 

[dk001]

That’s great info.

Still doesn’t talk about the word binning which may be incorrectly used. The description of the end affect is correct but I doubt it’s the right definition in this application/use case.

Binning is the term used to describe the technique of combining the output of adjacent pixels on a sensor. This can be performed on pixels in a single axis or, more commonly, in both directions.

 

[I7guy]

And Apple's main mode of business is hyper-upcharging for commodity consumer electronics and vendor lock-in, driven off the back off misplaced brand loyalty ties to outdated conspicuous consumption.

But in the end, with apple you are not the product. Customers buy whatever they want for their own reasons. And of course Samsung isn’t in anyway ties to conspicuous consumption. /s

 

[Abazigal]

And Apple's main mode of business is hyper-upcharging for commodity consumer electronics and vendor lock-in, driven off the back off misplaced brand loyalty ties to outdated conspicuous consumption.

That’s precisely why I bought into the Apple ecosystem. Yes, you pay more upfront, but it quickly pays for itself in the form of fewer problems and greater productivity overall.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Binning is the term used to describe the technique of combining the output of adjacent pixels on a sensor. This can be performed on pixels in a single axis or, more commonly, in both directions.

I thought this was the definition of the word binning. If you’re using it as term, then it’s consuming as many other articles use it to describe processors that do not meet production standards for specific cores or threads vs those that do on a production wafer and as such used in computing products in a lower product tier in order to recover R&D costs, keeping revenues.

So is the term hat ever changing its definition and use case whenever it’s needed? Or have I completely not grasped the details of this.

 

[Bodhitree]

Basically, I buy a new phone as infrequently as I can and hold onto it as long as it gets support. I figure thats best for the environment.

Then when I trade it in I get maybe 50 euros, but thats fine, I had the use of the phone for 6-7 years. That way I also minimise my cost-per-year of owning a phone.

The only way I would be cheaper is if I were to buy midrange Samsung phones and replace them every three years, but I dislike the plastic feel of those phones.

 

[M3gatron]

I thought this was the definition of the word binning. If you’re using it as term, then it’s consuming as many other articles use it to describe processors that do not meet production standards for specific cores or threads vs those that do on a production wafer and as such used in computing products in a lower product tier in order to recover R&D costs, keeping revenues.

So is the term hat ever changing its definition and use case whenever it’s needed? Or have I completely not grasped the details of this.

OK, pixel binning is not the same thing as chip binning.
He didn't use the word "binning" by itself he clearly said PIXEL-BINNING.
So no we don't need to stop using the word binning or check it's definition, you need to check what pixel binning means.
Here I'll help you:

Pixel binning - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

What is pixel binning? Smartphone sensor technology explained

Smartphone cameras have come a long way with developments in sensors and AI algorithms. Key to this is 'pixel binning'. Jeff Meyer explains.

amateurphotographer.com

Samsung Introduces the 200-Megapixel Image Sensor for the Ultimate High Resolution Experience in Flagship Smartphones

The new Samsung ISOCELL HP2 boosts capacity for maximum pixel performance, allowing for detailed and seamless photos in any light condition

news.samsung.com

The ISOCELL HP2 packs 200-million 0.6-micrometer (μm) pixels in a 1/1.3” optical format, a sensor size that is widely used in 108MP main smartphone cameras. This enables consumers to enjoy even higher resolutions in the latest high-end smartphones without larger camera bumps in their devices.
With Samsung’s advanced pixel-binning technology, Tetra2pixel, the HP2 adds more versatility to the camera as it simulates different pixel sizes to accommodate varying lighting levels.

Even Samsung itself calls the process pixel-binning. I really doubt everybody is wrong and you are right.

 

[williedigital]

But in the end, with apple you are not the product. Customers buy whatever they want for their own reasons. And of course Samsung isn’t in anyway ties to conspicuous consumption. /s

When you watch television, or read magazines/newspapers, or listen to the radio, or use your frequent buyer card at any big box retailer, or engage with any other advertising-supported business, do you also think "you are the product"? It's a bizarrely reductionist view of the business model of Google.

 

[I7guy]

When you watch television, or read magazines/newspapers, or listen to the radio, or use your frequent buyer card at any big box retailer, or engage with any other advertising-supported business, do you also think "you are the product"? It's a bizarrely reductionist view of the business model of Google.

Bizarrely? It’s a common view.

 

[dk001]

I thought this was the definition of the word binning. If you’re using it as term, then it’s consuming as many other articles use it to describe processors that do not meet production standards for specific cores or threads vs those that do on a production wafer and as such used in computing products in a lower product tier in order to recover R&D costs, keeping revenues.

So is the term hat ever changing its definition and use case whenever it’s needed? Or have I completely not grasped the details of this.

It is also the actions being performed on device. Officially known as Pixel Binning.
If you go look at a couple of the Samsung videos where they describe how that 200MP camera works, this is exactly what they are describing. Their description is multi-axis.
Check this one at 5:20

And this may help

What Is Pixel Binning in Mobile Photography? How Does It Work?

No, pixel binning doesn't mean trashing your smartphone screen.

www.makeuseof.com

 

[williedigital]

Bizarrely? It’s a common view.

I guess we'll have to disagree on the definition of "common". Studies show less than 10% of users take any action to enhance their digital privacy, and a much smaller share refuse to engage with certain vendors/platforms over their tracking policies.

 

[williedigital]

That’s precisely why I bought into the Apple ecosystem. Yes, you pay more upfront, but it quickly pays for itself in the form of fewer problems and greater productivity overall.

You have 17k+ posts on an Apple forum and are touting all the productivity their products have brought you??

 

[Kobs]

Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra Camera test

The Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra camera did very well in our photo and video tests, making it a great allrounder for smartphone imaging.

www.dxomark.com

 

[Calaveras]

YOU don’t quite understand how it works. The sensor is 200MP but it uses pixel binning. The iPhone does it too.
In this chapter of the megapixel race, it’s all about pixel binning. Samsung already employs this with its 108-megapixel sensor, and taking a super high-res photo isn’t the point — rather, combining individual pixels into four-by-four or two-by-two configurations is.

The high-resolution smartphone sensors are coming

More pixels, more better?

www.theverge.com

Comments like this are why I don't come on Macrumors as often as I once did.
I'm all for being corrected if I am wrong on a technical topic.
But uh, do you own stock in the company or something? Why are you getting personal.