Samsung Begins Mass Production of 14-Inch and 16-Inch OLED Displays That Apple Might Use for 2022 MacBook Pro

[chucker23n1]

I wonder if it even makes sense for Apple to offer both MiniLED and OLED on the same line of laptops.

It doesn't, and my bet is they won't.

Apple is clearly using OLED for consumer products (Watch, iPhone) and mini-LED for professional ones (iPad Pro so far). Better color accuracy and longevity. OLED is great for watching movies. Not so great for editing photos and videos.

 

[waquzy]

But is your wallet ready!??!? 🤣🤣

His body is the wallet 🤣

 

[coords]

Although OLED is a very good display in terms of color & brightness, it's longevity sux & it has a very bad burn-in tendency. MicroLED or MiniLED would in my opinion therefor be a better choice for a laptop.

 

[ColdShadow]

OLED is not great at all for bigger screen. They still not able to fix the burn in issue. I really don't wanna spend my time and money on OLED. There is a reason why many pro monitors aren't OLED.

Let Apple and Samsung worry about that.
I’m sure Apple have thought it through.

 

[Moonjumper]

Not going to start another discussion about the visual pros and cons of OLED vs. miniLED. What concerns me more is the question of PWM frequency. I noticed a striking change in eye fatigue coming from a 6Plus to a XS Max. iPP 12.9 with miniLED is just fine though. IMHO using OLED exclusively in upcoming macbooks would certainly be a dealbreaker for some people more sensitive to PMW, all the more so since the screens are significantly larger. On the other hand, I find it rather unlikely that Apple will be offering two fundamentally different screen technologies for the same product. Don't get me wrong, OLED is stunning and all but based on my personal experience I would not want to stare at OLED screens significantly larger than a phone all day long. YMMV though.

OLED and LCD (including the LED and miniLED forms) can both have PWM, but neither have to. It depends on how the manufacturer sets it up. Unfortunately the Samsung models Apple uses have PWM. I hope that changes.

I also wonder how much of the eye fatigue is due to changes in the way Apple render fonts at the sub-pixel level.

It doesn't, and my bet is they won't.

Apple is clearly using OLED for consumer products (Watch, iPhone) and mini-LED for professional ones (iPad Pro so far). Better color accuracy and longevity. OLED is great for watching movies. Not so great for editing photos and videos.

OLED can be very colour accurate (one of the reasons I chose my Panasonic OLED TV), but many mobile OLED products have the screen set as vivid as possible to differentiate them from LCD, most notably the first Samsung OLED mobile phones.

Many of the issues with OLED are not inherent (burn in is an issue, but much reduced, and getting better as I mentioned earlier in the thread). I hope they are not present if Apple releases OLED MBP models. It would be unacceptable at the prices charged.

 

[chucker23n1]

I also wonder how much of the eye fatigue is due to changes in the way Apple render fonts at the sub-pixel level.

They don't. iOS has never done subpixel rendering, and it's deprecated on macOS as well.

 

[mayga1]

Samsung should maybe throttle back a little on its production for other companies and focus a little more to meet demand for their own devices. Maybe then the CFO for T-Mobile wouldn't put them on blast for coming up short on supplying them with models such the S21, Note 20, and their foldables. Right now it's about a six week wait for the Fold 3. It's been released weeks ago. They're only shooting themselves in the foot. Lord knows when they don't sell as much as they could've because of supply shortages, the headlines will read, "Samsung Sales Slipping" and "(Whatever company) Surpasses Samsung."

 

[Skewlovevism]

Hopefully the prices go down and it's not too pricey.

Honest question. Did Apple decrease prices of newer product? I cannot recollect, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t.

 

[svish]

Looking forward to this!!! Hopefully it comes sooner than later.

 

[Moonjumper]

They don't. iOS has never done subpixel rendering, and it's deprecated on macOS as well.

Strange that Apple developer documentation for setAllowsFontSubpixelPositioning(_ includes "Sub-pixel positioning is used by the graphics context if it is allowed, enabled, and if the font itself is antialiased when drawn.", and availability includes iOS 2.0+. https://developer.apple.com/documen...text/1454942-setallowsfontsubpixelpositioning

The depreciation on macOS could be related to people posting on Mac Rumors about issues with headaches on their Macs. I see an improvement in clarity when swapping to older versions of macOS on my 5K iMac. So potentially an issue if there is an OLED MBP.

 

[imnotthewalrus]

I really hate this. I just got an M1 Air and frankly it’s the best laptop I’ve ever had and I was imagining using it for at least 3 years or so. And now? I’m gonna see one of these damned OLED screens and suddenly be dissatisfied with my Air. 😤

Don’t do that to yourself. It’s an ever-evolving industry, so unless you have unlimited funds you won’t have the best tech for long. Enjoy your M1 Air. It’s a great computer.

 

[Moonjumper]

Honest question. Did Apple decrease prices of newer product? I cannot recollect, but that doesn’t mean they didn’t.

The last generation of Intel MacBook Air was cheaper than the previous models. And the higher spec M1 Air was cheaper than the model it replaced. I seem to remember the second generation Air was much cheaper than the original version. I have some vague recollections of other models getting reductions as new technology that put the previous price up got cheaper, but cannot remember exact models now.

 

[jaceapoc]

Let Apple and Samsung worry about that.
I’m sure Apple have thought it through.

Just like they "thought through" their Butterfly keyboards, right? Yeah, no. I like Apple very much, but don't doubt Apple's willingness to put expensive products on the market with faulty designs etc.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

I'd be nervous for Apple to put OLED in these devices, but at the same time their burn-in prevention software is pretty good.

Thankfully I'm not in the market for a Mac, and the iPad went mini LED instead, so I'm good.

Also, as far as redesigns go, I hope y'all temper expectations.

Look at what happened last year with the MBA and the 13" MBP. Changes weren't as radical as we'd hoped (on the outside).

I doubt we'll see the sweet thin bezels of a Dell XPS on these.

 

[profcutter]

Ok help me out here. I’ve never owned a OLED tv because my 10 year old plasma is still working just fine. I do, however, have an S3 Apple Watch, and OLED iPhones. The watch usually defaults to one face, but there’s no burn-in. The phone does all kinds of things, but still no burn in, even under the “ears” where it’s constantly displaying white text on a black or grey background. Surely if the OLED burn-in problem was so severe, it would show up in these use cases?

 

[sebanights]

I have a Samsung OLED in my notebook and it's great, most of the time 50% brightness is plenty, I don't think burn-in is a problem with normal usage, but there's always someone. I also have 2 OLED TV's with no problems. I work in design and this technology is too perfect for this, I can't go back now. Ironically I have a 2013 Macbook Pro with serious image retention issues, and there's no OLED there.

 

[criticasm]

The Samsung presses says these are for Asus notebooks which at the moment are 16:9, MacBooks are 16:10. So what aspect ratio are these oleds?

 

[anthony13]

These wouldn't be for the rumored impending MBP updates in the next couple months would they? seems odd that they'd make a mini-led update with a form factor refresh and then update to OLED so quickly next year? or maybe there is no impending update this year?

 

[ignatius345]

Don’t do that to yourself. It’s an ever-evolving industry, so unless you have unlimited funds you won’t have the best tech for long. Enjoy your M1 Air. It’s a great computer.

Haha, yeah, I'm kind of kidding. (I think).

 

[ToxicBlue]

Guys, let's be honest, Oled as a technology is superior than mini led, will Apple adopt it in future Macs? I don't know but we shouldn't lie ourselves believing that mini led is better just because is what we are going to get next.

 

[skaertus]

Guys, let's be honest, Oled as a technology is superior than mini led, will Apple adopt it in future Macs? I don't know but we shouldn't lie ourselves believing that mini led is better just because is what we are going to get next.

I would not say that OLED is better than MiniLED, as they are different technologies. You could say MiniLED is better than LED, as it is clearly an improvement. OLED is not an improvement over LED/miniLED, it is an entirely different thing and, as such, it has its strengths and weaknesses. I suppose that, in addition to the risk of burn-in, OLED screens tend to be not as bright nor as color-accurate as LED/miniLED.

 

[Artsketch]

OLED is only for entertainment and media consumption. Color calibration for photo editing will be impossible on these devices.

 

[Moonjumper]

OLED is only for entertainment and media consumption. Color calibration for photo editing will be impossible on these devices.

I don’t know why you think OLED cannot be colour calibrated. In a review of last year’s mid-range Panasonic OLED TV, it had a deltaE of >2.0 out of the box, which is considered good for a professional monitor. Calibrated, the Panasonic had a deltaE of 0.5, which is extremely good. >1 is considered imperceptible. https://www.avforums.com/reviews/panasonic-hz1000-tx-55hz1000-oled-tv-review.17917

miniLED is the one I wouldn’t use for photo editing because of area dimming. Two different pixels could have a situation where they are both representing the same colour value, but appear a different brightness because of the states of the other pixels in their dimming zones.

Samsung are working on QD-OLED for large screens, and could be out as soon as next year. Quantum dots ensure very high colour accuracy, and OLED great brightness control. Things will be even better for OLED then.

 

[ColdShadow]

Just like they "thought through" their Butterfly keyboards, right? Yeah, no. I like Apple very much, but don't doubt Apple's willingness to put expensive products on the market with faulty designs etc.

that keyboard was all new design,OLED been around for ages,constantly improved,you think a giant company like Apple don’t know about burn in? 😂

with exception of my iMac,I now only have only OLED products,TV,phones,a Samsung hybrid Windows tablet,video game system,been using OLED for years heavily and never had any burn in issue.

things have changed,there are many features now to mitigate burn in,pixel shift,refresh technology etc OLED burn in is really overblown.

 

[chucker23n1]

Strange that Apple developer documentation for setAllowsFontSubpixelPositioning(_ includes "Sub-pixel positioning is used by the graphics context if it is allowed, enabled, and if the font itself is antialiased when drawn.", and availability includes iOS 2.0+. https://developer.apple.com/documen...text/1454942-setallowsfontsubpixelpositioning

I've never seen a single screenshot of an iPhone or iPad that actually shows it anti-aliasing the text in multiple colors.

I imagine the answer is:

"Sub-pixel positioning is used by the graphics context if it is allowed, enabled, and if the font itself is antialiased when drawn."

It isn't "allowed", ever.

The depreciation on macOS could be related to people posting on Mac Rumors about issues with headaches on their Macs.

No, the deprecation (and the choice not to include it in iOS) is because of Core Animation. Or, more broadly: it's because Apple never bothered to implement subpixel text rendering in the GPU pipeline (nor have others), because that was hard at the time and is now mostly moot, with the DPIs we have since reached.

It's only really a problem on devices where you have external monitors whose DPI is still low, so sadly, it is IMHO a huge problem for Macs in office environments.