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CNBC: "Is Samsung making _______?"

DJ Koh: "Is Apple making _______?"

CNBC: "I see what you did there."

There was a report a few weeks ago that Samsung wasn't making a speaker because they didn't see any money in it.

I should invent two analysts and use them to post news like that. One of them would always be right.
 
Galaxy C5 “Pink Gold”

Making sure that if someone wants a popular color combination, they can have it without going to the competition, is common company behavior.

Apple did the same thing with the Apple Watch. Samsung had already done a pink gold watch with white strap a few months before Apple even revealed their watch. Should Apple have not offered the same color combination simply because Samsung did one first? Of course not.

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Ditto for colors on the iPhone 5C. Xiaomi was killing it in China selling colorful phones six months before Apple's 5C was ever revealed. Should Apple have ditched the 5C colors just because Xiaomi was already selling such? Of course not.

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Hopefully you're not also shocked that shirt and car makers commonly copy each other's colors and styles! :eek:

They even use the AW in their smart watch parents.

They showed several target devices as examples in that patent's illustrations, which was about making smart watchbands that could attach to various brands and shapes, IIRC.

Speaking of smartwatches, Samsung patented a smartwatch rotating bezel and digital crown almost a year before even the iPhone came out, much less the Apple Watch eight years later.

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But most of the time as of late it’s been things like design cues minor things like keyboards and such,

You mean like the way Apple copied the Android keyboard, first with things like the voice input symbol and location, and then recently by changing the letter case to match current shift mode?

Also remember last year when they moved their Note release schedule forward to get their product out before Apple?

No they didn't.

Sammy has their finger on Apple’s pulse. It wouldn’t surprise me if tomorrow they announced their new HQ was a circular building.

They both copy whatever sells. Apple repeatedly claimed that 4" was the perfect phone display size, until they finally realized that Samsung was reaping tons of sales with phablets, and decided they wanted part of that market.

All samung phones and marketing are extensively point-by-point copying Apple since the iPhone design lawsuit was won by Apple. This was also shown during the trial where samsung revealed a hundred page document they were using to design galaxy that was checklisting point by point every single copied feature and design of iPhone and iOS.

Yet another person who obviously never read the document, which was a comparison after the Galaxy came out, was a lot about not copying Apple too closely, and many of whose suggestions were not implemented anyway.

As for interesting trial copying revelations, one was about the origin of the iPad mini. Jobs claimed we'd need sandpapered down fingers to use a tablet smaller than the original iPad. Then an Apple VP used a Samsung mini tablet and realized Jobs was wrong.

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Trial was won but with low damages awarded. Sasmsung just did a calculation: profit > damages.

That's what Apple does when they refuse to pay patent royalties for years, figuring they can get the price down via litigation.
 
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Making sure that if someone wants a popular color combination, they can have it without going to the competition, is common company behavior.

Apple did the same thing with the Apple Watch. Samsung had already done a pink gold watch with white strap a few months before Apple even revealed their watch. Should Apple have not offered the same color combination simply because Samsung did one first? Of course not.

apple-samsung-rose-gold-png.593034


Ditto for colors on the iPhone 5C. Xiaomi was killing it in China selling colorful phones six months before Apple's 5C was ever revealed. Should Apple have ditched the 5C colors just because Xiaomi was already selling such? Of course not.

2013_-xiaomi_mi-s2-png.593036


Hopefully you're not also shocked that shirt and car makers commonly copy each other's colors and styles! :eek:



They showed several target devices as examples in that patent's illustrations, which was about making smart watchbands that could attach to various devices, IIRC.

Speaking of smartwatches, Samsung patented a smartwatch rotating bezel and digital crown almost a year before even the iPhone came out, much less the Apple Watch eight years later.

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You mean like the way Apple copied the Android keyboard, first with things like the voice input symbol and location, and then recently by changing the letter case to match current shift mode?



No they didn't.



They both copy whatever sells. Apple repeatedly claimed that 4" was the perfect phone display size, until they finally realized that Samsung was reaping tons of sales with phablets, and decided they wanted part of that market.



Yet another person who obviously never read the document, which was a comparison after the Galaxy came out, was a lot about not copying Apple too closely, and many of whose suggestions were not implemented anyway.

As for interesting trial copying revelations, one was about the origin of the iPad mini. Jobs claimed we'd need sandpapered down fingers to use a tablet smaller than the original iPad. Then an Apple VP used a Samsung mini tablet and realized Jobs was wrong.

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That's what Apple does when they refuse to pay patent royalties for years, figuring they can get the price down via litigation.

I don't know how you have the energy to keep doing this time after time, but I look forward to it every time :)

Good work, you never disappoint
 
Hang on - can all you outraged folk, please remember that Apple are far from the first people to market with one of these .....
 
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I didn't know Apple made washing machines and submarines.
In fact we are talking consumer products here, and when it comes to consumer products Samsung always follows in Apple's steps.
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Hang on - can all you outraged folk, please remember that Apple are far from the first people to market with one of these .....

They are upset at any manufacturer that announces and works on something around the same time Apple does. As if Apple's safe space is being invaded. :p

I see jokes and sarcasm honestly, not outrage.
 
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Obviously you haven't seen how convenient it can be.

Instead of walking over and flicking the switch for a lamp. You turn off any appliance making too much noise. Walk over to a device next to the lamp. Then tell it to turn the light on several times until it does it.

I'm so all set with all that.
 
"I am already working on it"? So this DJ guy is single-handedly making this product? Must be a popular guy among the the engineering teams, taking credit for all their (/Apple's) work.
 
... They know HomePod is going to redefine home theater audio. Any half wit can see that.

Bose and other mid-to-high end providers are going to get squeezed.

I guess I don’t even make the half-wit grade by your definition as I don’t see this at all. Mid- to high-end home theatre audio is at least 5.1. Sure, HopePod may be much better than many of the sound bars on the market, but this is not going to compete with even a basic home cinema amp and speaker set-up, unless Apple have managed to alter the rules of physics.
 
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Samsung are complete mess of a company, with no clear mission or product plan. They have their fingers in so many different pies that they do nothing well, just everything in a mediocre way. They're 'monkey see monkey do', with no real innovation or even thought on their part.
 
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Basically you're claiming that all products are merely copies of Apple products, including products that Apple doesn't yet (or never will) make.

That's a really bizarre reading of what I wrote. I was quite specific to Apple's release of it's iteration of Siri vs Amazon's Alexa. So not sure how you grabbed a lobster out of a lake unless you planted it there.
 
Note 8 has dual cameras, one with a 2x lens and a software portrait mode. Wonder who did that recently?
HTC, LG, and Huawei.:rolleyes: Then Apple. Going back even further, Samsung had a dual camera phone back in 2007. As for the dual cameras on the S8, they took what others have done and improved on it with user selectable focus on the bokeh effect - during photo taking and after it's been taken.
 
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Samsung are complete mess of a company, with no clear mission or product plan. They have their fingers in so many different pies that they do nothing well, just everything in a mediocre way. They're 'monkey see monkey do', with no real innovation or even thought on their part.

Without Samsung, iPhones would probably still have a 3.5 or 4 inch display. The iPhone 8 design would also be something completely differ with huge bezels. The iPad pro would not have split screen multitasking. Let's be real, BOTH Samsung and Apple influenced the entire smartphone market, and continue to do so.
 
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Samsung are complete mess of a company, with no clear mission or product plan. They have their fingers in so many different pies that they do nothing well, just everything in a mediocre way. They're 'monkey see monkey do', with no real innovation or even thought on their part.

What on earth are you talking about .... ? Have you ever been to Korea ? Do you know the first thing about semiconductors ? Do you know anything about ship-building, construction ? Have you ever worked in high volume consumer electronics or white goods ? .... No of course not, but you're opinionated and have an internet connection.
 
Their public comments before the introduction of the Homepod tell exactly: They felt the usability of a device like Echo was limited by being voice only and bound as tower in a room....

Why does Samsung wait to follow in Apple's footsteps?
Because they know Apple will break Alexa's grasp of the market by attacking from a proper angle in which to profit: a speaker. Now Samsung just has to follow that category, HQ audio and Bixby, (which they will) and attempt to undercut Apple with a plethora of half-assed features and spread it across both low and high end price points to hit an audience Apple doesn't.

1. Those "comments" are a croc. Mere PR. Echo is perfectly usable -- at least as usable as Siri, and I use "hey Siri" in my home to control some lights and thermostat. Echo is actually more usable because it has speakers in a wide price range so you can put a crappy sounding Dot in a room where audio isn't important or a full fledged Echo where you do want decent sound. The HomePod doesn't offer that. It's simply, go big -- literally -- or go home, but not HomePod. HomePod, from my readings excels in sound quality. Everything else the Echo system has the advantage.


2. I doubt Apple will "break" Amazon's grasp in this area any more than Morton's has broken McDonald's grasp in the hamburger market. HomePod and Echo are similar product but cater to different demographics and use scenarios. The proposition of putting 5 or 6 HomePods in my house for true whole-home voice control automation is a nice one, but also not affordable. I'm not spending $1200 on voice control speakers. OTOH the Echo Dot at $49 or less is something I would entertain IF it was an Apple product -- I don't trust Amazon that much to buy-in to Echo.

But Apple is not positioning the HomePod as a whole-home solution. It's marketed as a great sounding one-off speaker for one room in the house and also has Siri capabilities. That isn't a space where Samsung can succeed because Android users don't spend money like Apple users. Samsung has to replicate Amazon's system approach, not Apple's one-off. The problem Samsung has is it doesn't have the services Amazon has.
 
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