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The Samsung Z3 with Tizen is state of the art. Love it because it lacks gimmicks like Touch ID, Siri, 3D Touch, Apple Pay. Koreans really know design better than Westerners. Got to give credit where it's due.

Touch ID is in no way a gimmic. It is an invaluable addition to a smartphone. I will never own a phone or tablet without it again. Also, if Koreans really knew design better than westerners why do they constantly copy design? It's not just Samsung. Korean car companies absolutely mimic Japanese car design. They make great cars but they are hardly original in their design.
 
Nah, the only reason the iPhone SE is so cheap is because all the R&D was done when Apple created the iPhone 5/5S. Same case, updated guts. It's still a flagship phone, just not priced like one.

Biggest load of balderdash on this thread. Whilst being cheap won’t hinder adoption.
I cannot fathom how somebody, (you), cannot see that some people will just prefer Android simply because we are all different. Period.
I remember when the BMW 3 series, (expensive), outsold the Ford Mondeo, (cheaper), at least over here in the Uk.
I prefer my iOS device but that doesn’t make Samsung rubbish.
Get a grip.
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How does Apple ony sell flagships?
I mean look at what you just said. Apple on the other hand only sells flagships (the SE being an exception, price wise).
So what you are saying is 'Apple only does this except when it’s doing that………''
 
So Samsung is going after Apple, much like Hillary will go after Trump. It appears we have a few months of mudslinging ahead of us in the media.

Yes, but Trump deserves to be bashed....

I will not have a dumbass as president. At least Hillary will be a decent president, even though I do think she comes across as dishonest. But, in all fairness, Trump is even more dishonest. He tells blatant lies. It's really like choosing between two rotten fruits: Neither looks good, but if you've got to choose you pick the one that probably won't give you a horrible disease.
 
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So Samsung is going after Apple, much like Hillary will go after Trump. It appears we have a few months of mudslinging ahead of us in the media.
'fraid so..... it'll be vicious. The insults that've been flying back-and-forth so far are merely warm-ups. Get that popcorn out. Sadly, I believe there's no winning scenario for Joe voter this time around.

I mean here we have Clinton who in my opinion can not be trusted, and who will also not get any respect from either the various terrorist organizations, or any of those autocratic regimes harboring expansionist ambitions such as North Korea, Iran, and Putin's Russia, and Trump who will get respect, but who could potentially bring us to the brink of the unthinkable. Enough to keep any sane person awake at night.

2016, the year we appear to be really screwed. Only a miracle can save us from a minimum of four disastrous years. :(
 
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The Samsung Z3 with Tizen is state of the art. Love it because it lacks gimmicks like Touch ID, Siri, 3D Touch, Apple Pay. Koreans really know design better than Westerners. Got to give credit where it's due.

Wait, you really thought that ugly thing was an example of good design? I just looked it up and I'm now shocked by that comment. I don't think Galaxy S phones look that bad, but that thing is plain ugly.
 
Marketing people are so full of themselves. The reason Sammy phones are so popular is because they are the best android phone made. Period.
And the reason Android is so popular is because it's cheap. Period.
Nobody pays attention to ads when making a buying decision.
Bunch of self inflated delusionals.

Samsung's marketing is actually why they dominate the Android market. They haven't always had the best Android hardware, although Samsung hardware has always been good. The key is that they blitzed the Android market with a large advertising budget and good phones on every carrier, which allowed them to grab the dominant Android market share quickly during a time of massive smartphone market growth. They immediately transitioned into a Samsung vs. Apple strategy which effectively trapped their competitors in an irrelevant lower tier and none of those competitors have the marketing budget to get out of that lower tier.

Their ad campaign against Apple doesn't do much to Apple, but it solidifies the current situation as a market with only two serious players.
 
All part of the Grand Samsung Strategy.

"C'mon, guys, look at it! It's just like ours!" doesn't work in patent court even though the ripoff was patently obvious [sry] at the time. Didn't work with Android ("Nonsense! The phone icon is a different shade of green!") and it didn't work with Samsung ("Nonsense! Our camera is square and in the middle! They look totally different!"). So Apple has to attack on minutiae like the rubber band effect, which, after a long drawn out battle of attrition (see Grand Strategy article above) fatigues everyone while current art converges and nothing looks unique. And people start lining up against apple because Apple winning on the minutiae would hurt everyone else's current use of the minutiae.

It's a pity, because Apple really did change the game with the original iPhone. Before that, it was Nokia candy bars, Moto flip phones, and my state-of-the-art Palm Treo 650.
 
Marketing people are so full of themselves. The reason Sammy phones are so popular is because they are the best android phone made. Period.
And the reason Android is so popular is because it's cheap. Period.
Nobody pays attention to ads when making a buying decision.
Bunch of self inflated delusionals.
I have to say: iOS and idevices are very complex these days for grannies...period.
 
Marketing people are so full of themselves. ...
Nobody pays attention to ads when making a buying decision.
Bunch of self inflated delusionals.

You don't believe that advertising works.
Well, ask almost any brand, which of their marketing campaigns have had the greatest positive impact on their business and you will get answers that are guaranteed to shake the very rock you stand on.
 
Samsung's marketing is actually why they dominate the Android market. They haven't always had the best Android hardware, although Samsung hardware has always been good. The key is that they blitzed the Android market with a large advertising budget and good phones on every carrier, which allowed them to grab the dominant Android market share quickly during a time of massive smartphone market growth. They immediately transitioned into a Samsung vs. Apple strategy which effectively trapped their competitors in an irrelevant lower tier and none of those competitors have the marketing budget to get out of that lower tier.

Their ad campaign against Apple doesn't do much to Apple, but it solidifies the current situation as a market with only two serious players.

Samsung is the largest Android OEM... but they're certainly not the only Android OEM.

There were 284 million Android phones sold last quarter... but only 82 million were sold by Samsung. That's about 29% of the market.

Is that what "domination" looks like? There are far more non-Samsung phones being sold than those from Samsung!

Lenovo sells more computers than any other PC maker... but I've never heard that they "dominate" the PC market.

Toyota also sells more cars than any other carmaker... but I've never heard that they "dominate" the automobile market either.
 
Who can ever forget the "exploding" head scene over the headphone jack location?

The only reason I didn't forget it was because Samsung ended up copying Apple a year later and relocated the headphone jack themselves. I guess their product management and engineering teams thought it was a pretty good idea, after all. Someone just forgot to tell their marketing department. Oops!
 
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Talk about clickbait...he said that Samsung relentlessly pursues what it thinks is right in technology and its communications program is no different. He also said Samsung is agressive with its marketing toward competitors.

He DID NOT say that it was relentlessly pursuing its competitors like the title would suggest. Learn to read MR.
 
They do have some funny ads, though I remember that one of them (I think it was the Wallhugger one) gave the iPhone more screen time than their own galaxy phone. Attack another product if you want, but don't give it more attention than what you're selling.

And don't forget: an advertisement only needs to affect 1% of its target audience to be considered a success.
 
I used my phone for around six months without knowing that it was Qi compatible. I don't use the wireless often but it's very handy.
 
How Samsung became the largest smartphone manufacturer? Oh I don't know, because they have a ******** of phone models from the dirt cheap $30 "smartphones" to the $600 flagships. Apple on the other hand only sells flagships (the SE being an exception, price wise). Something would be very wrong if Apple stayed above Samsung in market share, wouldn't it?

who cares about being the largest manufacturer? I'd rather be like Apple and be the company making the largest profits.
 
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Talking about the Biggest load of balderdash, do you read your own comments? The guy never said that Samsung was rubbish, these are your words.
Honestly, what don't you understand regarding his flagship comment? You manage to twist a straight sentence is something completely different. Please get a grip on yourselve :)
Well, these forums are the biggest gathering of Samsung fanboys on the web...
 
How Samsung became the largest smartphone manufacturer? Oh I don't know, because they have a ******** of phone models from the dirt cheap $30 "smartphones" to the $600 flagships. Apple on the other hand only sells flagships (the SE being an exception, price wise). Something would be very wrong if Apple stayed above Samsung in market share, wouldn't it?

So... you're saying that it makes no sense that iPhone market share is very high in some countries, despite its high retail price?

Well, you're right! Because the retail listed price is not the deciding factor.

Instead, it's been known for years that upfront cost is the primary driver for most smartphone buyers. Doesn't matter where in the world they live, or if they're rich or poor, $250 has for years been the threshold for upfront cost for a device to sell well.

And sure enough, to most of its buyers over the past decade, the iPhone has long been in the under $250 category. That's because it's been subsidized or financed down to the point where it's viewed as "cheap" enough in upfront cost. That's also why, in countries that never had subsidies, overall iPhone market share is very small... just as you predicted.

Today, another factor is features vs cost. Technology has progressed (as it always does), and there are now plenty of far less overpriced phones with impressive specs. Why pay $400-700 for a device that only does a bit more (if even that) than a $200-300 model? Especially if the latter is full price with no further hidden payments.
 
True, although of course that's one big point of their ads: people should not buy something just because they're part of a cult following.



There are definitely some memorable parts, which have entered the common vernacular.

Who can ever forget the "exploding" head scene over the headphone jack location?

Or, "Dude, you're a barista!"
People can do whatever they want, I don't care WHY a product is bought. But that's exactly what "Apple sheeple" are accused of.
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So... you're saying that it makes no sense that iPhone market share is very high in some countries, despite its high retail price?

Well, you're right! Because the retail listed price is not the deciding factor.

Instead, it's been known for years that upfront cost is the primary driver for most smartphone buyers. Doesn't matter where in the world they live, or if they're rich or poor, $250 has for years been the threshold for upfront cost for a device to sell well.

And sure enough, to most of its buyers over the past decade, the iPhone has long been in the under $250 category. That's because it's been subsidized or financed down to the point where it's viewed as "cheap" enough in upfront cost. That's also why, in countries that never had subsidies, overall iPhone market share is very small... just as you predicted.

Today, another factor is features vs cost. Technology has progressed (as it always does), and there are now plenty of far less overpriced phones with impressive specs. Why pay $400-700 for a device that only does a bit more (if even that) than a $200-300 model? Especially if the latter is full price with no further hidden payments.
For the last 3 years I've been buying my iPhones directly from Apple.
 
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"Cult following"? Good grief. People buy want they want. If it doesn't do what they want how they like, they get something different.

It's not a religion; it's consumerism/capitalism. Period.

You really don't seem to understand the first thing about the history of Apple. Start with Tekserve and go from there.
 
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Love it because it lacks gimmicks like Touch ID

Touch ID is the best thing to happen to the iPhone since its inception. I really miss it on my other Apple, Samsung, and Dell mobile devices, and I would even love to have it on my desktop computers.
 
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