Samsung finally found a way to beat the iPad 2.

[hcho3]

First of all, I am going to start off saying that I hate Samsung for just about everything they make. I am not an android hater or anything. I am more favorable to iOS than android, but I love competition. But, Samsung has never been my choice. This is why.

Some of you posted threads about Samsung galaxy Tab vs iPad 2. Well, samsung will never win my heart again because I have no plans on spending my money on a company who wants to just flat out and lie to their customers to promote their videos. In fact, I hope Samsung fails. This kind of behavior should not be tolerated in this market.

Shame on Samsung. They think this is Korea and they think Americans are just going to be fooled by some actors. And they must think they can just pull off the same BS they do in their home country. I hope DOA looks into this and slams Samsung for lying to the press and consumers.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...consumers_fudging_thinnest_tablet_claims.html

 

[master-ceo]

Why did commodore 64 sell millions of units back in the Golden 80’s? Programs. The Only comp in my eyes is a skinny Tab running a full OS with a helluva battery life.

 

[Tones2]

Yeah, like all of those people that Apple have in their videos saying how much they love whatever products are promotong are not actors.

 

[Alaerian]

This is nothing new in the marketing industry. However, that doesn't make it any more acceptable.

Bad form, Samsung. Bad form.

I suppose if you're that desperate to sell products, you'll try anything.

 

[hcho3]

Yeah, like all of those people that Apple have in their videos saying how much they love whatever products are promotong are not actors.

Very inaccurate. Apple promo video shows the actors, but apple never said it was based on real life experience. They usually use their own executives to show off their products or use actors, but they never described it as real life story.

Did you look at the Samsung presentation? They clearly described the person's name, occupation, age, gender and racial group and described it as these are real life professional who tried out galaxy Tabs.

That's different from showing off from the ads.

In fact, you work for Samsung, don't you?

This is nothing new in the marketing industry. However, that doesn't make it any more acceptable.

Bad form, Samsung. Bad form.

I suppose if you're that desperate to sell products, you'll try anything.

I don't understand why it is difficult to see. It's not about marketing. It's about promoting what is right and the truth. While some ads might exaggerate to promote videos, most of companies don't use actors to make ads and describe it as real life story. This company basically lied. They must be thinking US consumers are idiots who would just get fooled by ads. That's what is wrong here. Samsung should be flamed.

 

[Alaerian]

I don't understand why it is difficult to see. It's not about marketing. It's about promoting what is right and the truth. While some ads might exaggerate to promote videos, most of companies don't use actors to make ads and describe it as real life story. This company basically lied. They must be thinking US consumers are idiots who would just get fooled by ads. That's what is wrong here. Samsung should be flamed.

Did you read my post at all?

 

[Mac.World]

Samsung should be flamed more for claiming the new Tabs are thinner than the iPad2, when the pictures clearly show this is not the case. Not even close.

Of course, CNET is advertising that the Tab is now the thinnest tablet in the market, even though Samsung doesn't have them in final production form yet.

 

[Justin Luck]

I agree with you OP. But those commercials are so cringe worthy and pathetic, no one in their right mind would believe they are real anyway.

Regardless of advertising, a product will have to prove itself in real world usage. If people truly like it, word of mouth will spread and it will do well. If Samsung's devices are as buggy as the Motorola Xoom, they will fail regardless of how many shoddy promos they make.

 

[BergerFan]

With such a quick turnaround from the original hardware to the revised version, I have to wonder what sacrifices had to be made, in order to get it as thin as it's is now?
Battery life? Maybe, we'll find out eventually.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Samsung should be flamed more for claiming the new Tabs are thinner than the iPad2, when the pictures clearly show this is not the case. Not even close.
Of course, CNET is advertising that the Tab is now the thinnest tablet in the market, even though Samsung doesn't have them in final production form yet.

How can you tell thickness from a picture?

I agree with you OP. But those commercials are so cringe worthy and pathetic, no one in their right mind would believe they are real anyway.

Regardless of advertising, a product will have to proof itself in real world usage. If people truly like it, word of mouth will spread and it will do well. If Samsung's devices are as buggy as the Motorola Xoom, they will fail regardless of how many shoddy promos they make.

Very true.

With such a quick turnaround from the original hardware to the revised version, I have to wonder what sacrifices had to be made, in order to get it as thin as it's is now?
Battery life? Maybe, we'll find out eventually.

We'll see as soon as they get into the hands of some reviewers.

 

[Piggie]

Re this thread title.

There is no need to beat anything.

All you have to do, is to offer customers a reasonable alternative.

I would rather not have an Apple tablet and have to use iTunes, and be locked to one computer if I had a selection of alternative products.

 

[matrix07]

Yeah, like all of those people that Apple have in their videos saying how much they love whatever products are promotong are not actors.

Read the thread at AppleInsider and you will see that when it come to testimonial of real life usage, they actually used actual user.
Educate yourself.

 

[Justin Luck]

I'm not even sure where this obsession with thinness comes from. Okay, perhaps Steve Jobs likes thin devices? As far as ergonomics are concerned, thinner does not mean more comfortable.

I own an iPod Touch 4th Gen and keep it in a TPU case not only to protect the ridiculously vulnerable chrome backing, but also because the edges are so thin, it is tricky to hold on with your fingers on its border without feeling like you might lose your grip. When I was at Best Buy and finally had a chance to try out the iPad 2 and Xoom, I noticed that while the Xoom is heavier, its border was more comfortable pressing on the folds my hands than the sharp top edge of the iPad.

Thinness is the last feature Samsung needs to worry about. I am pleased to see that they chose beveled edges that look comfortable for the hands. That is enough. They should be more worried about their hardware/software integration and user experience -- namely an extremely responsive touch interface that is at least on par with Apple's products.

 

[Piggie]

I'm not even sure where this obsession with thinness comes from. Okay, perhaps Steve Jobs likes thin devices? As far as ergonomics are concerned, thinner does not mean more comfortable.

I own an iPod Touch 4th Gen and keep it in a TPU case not only to protect the ridiculously vulnerable chrome backing, but also because the edges are so thin, it is tricky to hold on with your fingers on its border without feeling like you might lose your grip. When I was at Best Buy and finally had a chance to try out the iPad 2 and Xoom, I noticed that while the Xoom is heavier, its border was more comfortable pressing on the folds my hands than the sharp top edge of the iPad.

Thinness is the last feature Samsung needs to worry about. I am pleased to see that they chose beveled edges that look comfortable for the hands. That is enough. They should be more worried about their hardware/software integration and user experience -- namely an extremely responsive touch interface that is at least on par with Apple's products.

Size isn't everything

 

[ravenas]

Agreed. When I compared the Xoom and Galaxy Tab to the iPad2 at Best Buy yesterday I noticed the different comfort feel. I put a silicon cover on the back of my Touch for the same reason. First time I ever picked up an Apple device i dropped it. It's like butter or ice in your hands. My iPad1 always lived in a case. Not sure what I'm gonna do with my iPad2. (Doesn't arrive until Tuesday.)

But as far as the Tabs and Xoom go, I really liked the form factor. Didn't care so much for the Verizon bloatware on the Tab but I did like the 7" screen. And Flash video played well on it. The newer versions with the faster processor will be even better.

I think I'll be adding an Android tablet to my collection come summer. Just gotta see what's out there.

As for Samsung, they make the best LCD screens in the industry. I don't get the hate, other than to be fanboy churlish. Maybe this means Samsung will be the challenger to unseat Apple.

BTW I do know a few real life people who use the Galaxy Tab and swear by it. The one best thing about it is that it's very much a purse-pocketable device. Apple is missing something not offering a mid-range screen size. Touch is far too small and iPad is just a bit too big.

 

[Cheetablaze]

I could see more people jumping to android if the devs could speed up the app selection. Need to speed it up by oh.... 60k+

Honeycomb is nice to use and it does offer a bit more than iOS does. But everybody is still trying to play catchup with app support.

Maybe in 1-2 years they will have their act straight, until then I'll stick with iPad.

 

[Mac.World]

How can you tell thickness from a picture?

You be the judge:

 

[Eldiablojoe]

Size isn't everything

You keep believing that.

 

[62tele]

Not many are paying attention to Xoom or Galaxy. Oh sure, a few AndroidOphiles are psyched but they don't represent the typical consumer.
Yes, CNET and the like have wet dreams HOPING for a bonafide iPad competitor so they may forego integrity to act like the new Galaxy is a reality.

Apple has clearly won the first two rounds and will continue to dominate the consumer tablet market for the time being. The iPad has hype being generated from real consumers not imaginary friends!

 

[AppleScruff1]

You be the judge:

Both are poor pictures, especially the one on the left, but the Samsung does look thicker. If that really is the latest revision of the Galaxy, Samsung made a false claim.

 

[ravenas]

Not many are paying attention to Xoom or Galaxy. Oh sure, a few AndroidOphiles are psyched but they don't represent the typical consumer.
Yes, CNET and the like have wet dreams HOPING for a bonafide iPad competitor so they may forego integrity to act like the new Galaxy is a reality.

Apple has clearly won the first two rounds and will continue to dominate the consumer tablet market for the time being. The iPad has hype being generated from real consumers not imaginary friends!

Get your head out of the sand. Most people are going for Android smartphones. It is the thing to have. Most of them aren't yet jumping into the tablet market either. Apple manage to win over a certain amount of early adopters and curiosity seekers toward the end of the iPad1 run and into the hype of iPad2's launch, but this is a fleeting thing.

Right now you have continual shortages of iPad2's in the stores. iPad1's are being heavily discounted but that comes with all the warts of a Gen1 release. So unless Apple can get their models in the stores to sell, they'll lose much quicker to the avalanche of Android clones coming out this summer.

You'll have growth from 2 sectors: the ones who've used an iPad and found inherent deficiencies (i.e. lack of file system, crappy hardware, clunky Win 3.1 style interface) and the fence-sitters who've been using their bohemoth Android phones while waiting for a decent tablet companion.

The Apps argument is a specious one. After all Android allows Flash which opens the door to web apps. Also don't the Android phone apps scale better for the tablet? Not to mention Android uses widgets allowing multiple apps to share the screen at the same time.

Really given what the competitors have coming this summer I think we'll look back on iPad2 as a softball release unworthy of Apple's marketing brilliance. There is no excuse for those crappy cameras. And the smart cover is going to lead to a big loss in the resale market due to all the scratched up backs.

 

[M87]

Get your head out of the sand. Most people are going for Android smartphones. It is the thing to have. Most of them aren't yet jumping into the tablet market either. Apple manage to win over a certain amount of early adopters and curiosity seekers toward the end of the iPad1 run and into the hype of iPad2's launch, but this is a fleeting thing.

Right now you have continual shortages of iPad2's in the stores. iPad1's are being heavily discounted but that comes with all the warts of a Gen1 release. So unless Apple can get their models in the stores to sell, they'll lose much quicker to the avalanche of Android clones coming out this summer.

You'll have growth from 2 sectors: the ones who've used an iPad and found inherent deficiencies (i.e. lack of file system, crappy hardware, clunky Win 3.1 style interface) and the fence-sitters who've been using their bohemoth Android phones while waiting for a decent tablet companion.

The Apps argument is a specious one. After all Android allows Flash which opens the door to web apps. Also don't the Android phone apps scale better for the tablet? Not to mention Android uses widgets allowing multiple apps to share the screen at the same time.

Really given what the competitors have coming this summer I think we'll look back on iPad2 as a softball release unworthy of Apple's marketing brilliance. There is no excuse for those crappy cameras. And the smart cover is going to lead to a big loss in the resale market due to all the scratched up backs.

u mad?

 

[Mac.World]

Get your head out of the sand. Most people are going for Android smartphones. It is the thing to have. Most of them aren't yet jumping into the tablet market either. Apple manage to win over a certain amount of early adopters and curiosity seekers toward the end of the iPad1 run and into the hype of iPad2's launch, but this is a fleeting thing.

Right now you have continual shortages of iPad2's in the stores. iPad1's are being heavily discounted but that comes with all the warts of a Gen1 release. So unless Apple can get their models in the stores to sell, they'll lose much quicker to the avalanche of Android clones coming out this summer.

You'll have growth from 2 sectors: the ones who've used an iPad and found inherent deficiencies (i.e. lack of file system, crappy hardware, clunky Win 3.1 style interface) and the fence-sitters who've been using their bohemoth Android phones while waiting for a decent tablet companion.

The Apps argument is a specious one. After all Android allows Flash which opens the door to web apps. Also don't the Android phone apps scale better for the tablet? Not to mention Android uses widgets allowing multiple apps to share the screen at the same time.

Really given what the competitors have coming this summer I think we'll look back on iPad2 as a softball release unworthy of Apple's marketing brilliance. There is no excuse for those crappy cameras. And the smart cover is going to lead to a big loss in the resale market due to all the scratched up backs.

I remember hearing all this last year against the iPad 1. How's everything been going for those Android tablets?

 

[fertilized-egg]

Both are poor pictures, especially the one on the left, but the Samsung does look thicker. If that really is the latest revision of the Galaxy, Samsung made a false claim.

Samsung hasn't made a false claim because no one has seen the real Galaxy Tab yet, not even a real mock up. Basically they are saying "we'll have this amazing device in a few month, but right now we don't have anything to show for, so please take a look at these which somewhat resemble the final product."

 

[blow45]

false marketing, got to love them, brings back memories of ms hiring actors for their bang bus styled ads (the ones where they threw the money in their face at the end for choosing an el cheapo pc). Of course ms did admit to hiring them, despite styling the ads in gonzo porn style. And look where ms's campaign led them...record breaking sales for apple's computers....