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Yet another reason why Samsucks.

Biggest con job POS phones, and I know this from experience. No wonder they needed the largest marketing budget of all time to brainwash their zombies into buying literal secondrate imitation crap.
 
So much smarter this way...

I don't know about you guys, but the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone 5s is terrible for me. It's about 30-40% successful because of oil that stays on the home button. If I wipe the home button with my finger and then try again, it works consistently. Having a swipe fingerprint reader like this completely negates the problem of placing a flat fingerprint on the iPhone home button.
 
Yet another reason why Samsucks.

Biggest con job POS phones, and I know this from experience. No wonder they needed the largest marketing budget of all time to brainwash their zombies into buying literal secondrate imitation crap.

Somebody is way too emotionally invested in their phone manufacturer. Zombies is how I'd describe Apple fans lining up for their new phones every year.
 
I don't get why people go all apesh** about Samsung implementing the sensor.

(1) Apple has their implementation patented.

(2) The fingerprint sensor is clearly a hit given how popular its been in the iPhone - only makes sense others will have a go at it.

(3) As someone else stated - it is ALL about implementation. The swiping motion will hinder this IMO.

All-in-all, it continues to prove - despite those who would cry otherwise - Apple still innovates and leads the market. Sure they might be "behind" on display size - but more people look to Apple for what's next than to Samsung or others.

Good for Samsung - even though I'm not a fan. I really hope we see some REAL Android competition in 2014 though.....TouchWiz is about the worst piece of software (POS) ever....
 
Samsung have lost a lot of credibility by copying the same "feature" that Apple lost credibility for featuring on their own phones.

They MUST be desperate for ideas over there. Bad move!
 
Admit it, even though the copy like crazy and break an occasional patent law, Samsung CAN innovate.

They can, but usually don't.

Increasing specs beyond usefulness is not innovation. n+1 is not innovation, it's just doing the same thing only bigger. It's as innovative as the late-90s land rush at the patent office which involved taking existing concepts and appending "on the Internet."

Sure, you can make an argument on some functional aspects of a device (CPU, storage, RAM) being specced larger than necessary right now as "future proofing", but your EYES aren't going to improve with time. Increasing the pixel density from "I can't discern individual pixels" to "I still can't discern individual pixels, but the spec sheet numbers are bigger" doesn't add value, and sure isn't innovative.
 
Samsung have lost a lot of credibility by copying the same "feature" that Apple lost credibility for featuring on their own phones.

They MUST be desperate for ideas over there. Bad move!

Well if you mean that samsung copied apples fingerprint sensor then you're wrong. I forgot the name of another phone that had fingerprint sensor before iPhone.
 
The problem with iPhone's touch ID is : What good is Touch ID with-out NFC ? They miss the whole point in my opinion. That kind of security only makes sense for money.

I know a bunch of people with the 5S and they don't even use the Touch ID

It ONLY makes sense for money? Think outside the box, Mr. Gates. How about making sense for all the enterprise users out there that have no choice when it comes to enabling security on the phone? Scanning your finger is a much more desirable option to entering a 4 or more digit passcode.
 
The problem with iPhone's touch ID is : What good is Touch ID with-out NFC ? They miss the whole point in my opinion. That kind of security only makes sense for money.

I know a bunch of people with the 5S and they don't even use the Touch ID
See 2D Barcodes and iBeacons. Between the two, they can do everything NFC can do and more and don't require extra hardware and antenna.

See handsfree checkout. http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/09/paypal-beacon-hands-free-payments/
 
Well if you mean that samsung copied apples fingerprint sensor then you're wrong. I forgot the name of another phone that had fingerprint sensor before iPhone.

You're thinking of the Motorola Atrix from 2011.

Are you saying Samsung did this in reaction to the Atrix, but they simply have a 3-year reaction time? Seems unlikely. Maybe that would be right if the S2 had a fingerprint sensor, not the S5.
 
Not how it works. The point of the swipe is so that the sensor can capture the entire surface of your finger. Meaning you have to swipe from top to bottom. And you have to keep your finger perfectly flat. And you have to make sure to not swipe too fast or too slow, but just perfect.

Sounds exactly like the me-too wannabe technology Samsung would adopt to mimic an Apple innovation.

I totally agree with you. Swiping across for me involves mostly the tip/ right edge of my right thumb. I can't believe anyone swipes with the whole pad of the thumb, and trying it now it seems clumsy. Apple's solution [essentially a push on the home button] would seem a more reliable way to scan a fingerprint accurately or reliably.
 
Same place where Apple stole the idea ? Just a guess. Apple wasnt first with that.

Apple was the first to make it actually work. As in so many of these “so-and-so did it first” arguments the first manufacturer to do something or to include a feature is really irrelevant. It’s the first to make the feature usable and reliable that counts. Every troll likes to point out the myth that Xerox had the GUI first, but Apple was the first to refine it, improve it, make it a user friendly experience, and actually produce a product for sale to the public at large. So Xerox had the GUI first (maybe) but had absolutely no clue what to do with it. It never made it out their labs in any significant way.

In this very thread you have people reminding us that IBM or whoever had fingerprint authentication years ago (as they like to say) but that it didn’t work very well, or at all.

Why is this such a hard concept to wrap around one’s mind?
 
The problem with iPhone's touch ID is : What good is Touch ID with-out NFC ? They miss the whole point in my opinion. That kind of security only makes sense for money.

I know a bunch of people with the 5S and they don't even use the Touch ID
Another who does not have a clue what NFC is. And why it is not necessary for apple to use a dated technology.
 
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Apparently, it's "the next big thing".

It's rather the next big idiocy of our time.

"Fingerprints are usernames, not passwords"
http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/fingerprints-are-user-names-not.html


So Xerox had the GUI first (maybe) but had absolutely no clue what to do with it. It never made it out their labs in any significant way.

Following your own logic, Microsoft then deserves the full credit for developing the graphical user interface - after all it was Microsoft who truly brought a working, usable graphical user interface to the masses of users. Not Apple, they cemented their GUI concept in a machine that no-one with an average income could afford. Windows, on the other hand, ran on every cheap PC regardless of the brand.

Why is this such a hard concept to wrap around one’s mind?

Because that concept is mostly nonsense and values a product or an implementation of an idea more than the original idea itself. That is not how originality and creativity should be measured.
 
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yeah because there has never been a droid with a fingerprint sensor :rolleyes:

Are you talking about the droid where the sensor was on the back and top of the device?

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It's about the execution, but too little people get that.

Agreed, but Samsung has found their success through features that look nice on a spec sheet and work great for marketing, but not in real life.
 
I don't know about you guys, but the fingerprint sensor on the iPhone 5s is terrible for me. It's about 30-40% successful because of oil that stays on the home button. If I wipe the home button with my finger and then try again, it works consistently. Having a swipe fingerprint reader like this completely negates the problem of placing a flat fingerprint on the iPhone home button.

We won't know until it is tested, so this is just speculation on my part too.

The article says that moisture will also affect the S5 fingerprint scanner, so this should mean it will have the same issues as the iPhone. You called it oil, I have heard others refer to it as a moisture problem as well.
Also, the s5 will require a consistent flat swipe throughout to ensure the fingerprint is read from end to end of the home button. Depending on how flat it requires and sensitive it is, this could create a lot of unsuccessful reads. Theoretically more so than an iPhone that requires a flat read that doesn't require a swipe.

Those two s5 issues together could make for quite the frustrating experience.
But we won't know until it is tested.
 
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