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Microsoft is a flop because they don't make hardware. No one really wants to buy software in a physical store these days.

Samsung might prevail because they make hardware. Similar to Sony.

Samsung also has a wide array of products:

Laptops
Tablets
Desktops
TV's
DVD/Blu Ray Players
Watch
Hard Drives and Optical Drives
Kitchen Appliances
Laundry Appliances
 
Are Samsung's products really more popular than Microsoft's? Microsoft continues to dominate the PC market while Samsung is tied with Apple in the mobile market. And despite that, Microsoft's retail efforts flopped. Why? Because people looking to buy Microsoft's products go to existing places like BestBuy to buy them. Similarly, I think that people looking to buy Samsung's products will go to existing places, like BestBuy, RadioShack, and cellular stores, to buy them.

Exactly.

Apple was 'forced' to open it's own stores, because originally it couldn't get stores to carry Apple products. They tried with Circuit City, and that failed in many stores as the employees didn't know Apple products or discouraged using them. They tried in Best Buy to similar failures. Apple needed their own stores to get their story out.

It's similar to maybe, Nintendo, right or wrong - if you go into a store, the employees will steer you towards an Xbox or a Playstation. If Nintendo had their own store, they could show people how great they think the Wii U is.

Microsoft Stores? Samsung Stores? People don't need them like Apple stores. It's different.
 
I'm not as cynical as you. I think some companies genuinely want to make good product. I think Apple is one of those companies. Even if I was to believe that Apple execs are heartless, some inventor in Apple's basement probably is quite proud of his work on the iPhone and hopes everyone loves it.

And I can't afford a new Mac Pro, but I REALLY want one (And I have absolutely no NEED for it. I just want it.). So that was probably a bad example for you to use.

Undesign knows what he's talking about, man. I think you're correct that Apple tries to make great products, but they don't make great products to "benefit the user" or whatever. They make them because if they can tell people they make consistently good products and be believed, people will buy them. If that perception spreads, it strengthens Apple's brand, and Apple's brand is more powerful than any of their competitors by a mile.

Here's an example. I've had two Windows desktops and one Windows laptop in my life, and all of them were terrible computers. They were slow, the laptop's battery life was atrocious (avoid Toshiba Satellites like the plague, by the way), and they certainly weren't particularly attractive devices (not that that matters much, but it's better for a device to be pretty than ugly, right?) The laptop, the last computer I had, was running Windows Vista, and that's what did it for me. I was sick of Microsoft. Since then, I've heard decent things about Windows 7 and have had generally good experiences using it myself on other people's computers, but it still had an exorbitant price, and Windows 8 is... well... Windows 8. A friend of mine who has zero interest in Apple products despises Windows 8, which they installed on all of the computers in the College of Business and ended up just confusing a bunch of their students and teachers. I think Microsoft's done a lot of stupid stuff with Xbox and Office too, which doesn't improve my perception of them.

Meanwhile, I've had several iPods, two iPhones, an iPad, an Apple TV, and a MacBook. Two of the iPods died on me (one was definitely my fault, though), but on the whole I've had an excellent experience with Apple products. I find iCloud incredibly useful, I think the organization of their products makes more sense, and I'm a college student and writer, both of which are big markets for Apple (education and creative, the former of which I got an education discount for and the latter of which means I get a bunch of great software that's directed at me).

So when I'm in the market for a new computer, am I going to buy a Windows computer? No. Is that because Apple cares about me? No, it's because they make a product that I suspect is more likely to suit my needs and work the way I want it to. It's branding and good business, it's not that Apple has a bigger heart than Microsoft. Some people would rather spend $500 on a laptop than $1000 and have it die on them in a year, but I'd rather spend the extra cash and have a better product that'll last me awhile.

If other companies understood that there's more to branding than commercials about how bad the other guy's product is (Samsung) or the fact that your tablet and keyboard click together (Microsoft), maybe they'd outsell their competition more.
 
Answer me this, people. Was Apple the first to have a store within a store concept? If not, then why are you all not saying they copied the first store within a store? Why is Samsung copying now?

Michael Jackson wasn't the first to moonwalk. Or scream "Ow!" Or grab his crotch. But you'd be a fool to say that someone performing on stage wearing a red jacket, white glove, moonwalking, and grabbing his crotch while saying "ow!" in a high pitched voice wasn't impersonating Michael Jackson.

So.....yea, its kinda like that.
 
Ahhh… good for them. It will be interesting to see how well they do in the long run. Not sure they are truly unique enough for the long run. But I guess we'll see.
 
Exactly.

Apple was 'forced' to open it's own stores, because originally it couldn't get stores to carry Apple products. They tried with Circuit City, and that failed in many stores as the employees didn't know Apple products or discouraged using them. They tried in Best Buy to similar failures. Apple needed their own stores to get their story out.

It's similar to maybe, Nintendo, right or wrong - if you go into a store, the employees will steer you towards an Xbox or a Playstation. If Nintendo had their own store, they could show people how great they think the Wii U is.

Microsoft Stores? Samsung Stores? People don't need them like Apple stores. It's different.

As a former manager of the SOHO department that sold Apple when they came back to Circuit in 2001, I can assure you that in the stores I worked in that was not the case.

The computer boom of machines costing in excess of a thousand dollars were over by that point. People wanted cheap PCs, not spending $1500 on a unit that didn't have mass appeal or widespread application support.

The employee training that occurred for Apple was on par with any other product that was prominently featured at that time.
 
That wasn't a Samsung store, that was the work of a retail store who set up that display. It would be the equivalent of Best Buy doing the same thing in their stores. But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good Samsung bash.

Way to be a buzzkill.
 
I just hope those Samsung stores do better than the windows ones that tried to copy apple. I always feel sorry for the windows stores... I don't need more depressing experiences at the mall.
 
Store within a Store

wasn't it the 'Store within a Store' concept the darned near put JC Penney out of business a few years ago? Go for it BestBuy, and good luck.
 
Undesign knows what he's talking about, man. I think you're correct that Apple tries to make great products, but they don't make great products to "benefit the user" or whatever. They make them because if they can tell people they make consistently good products and be believed, people will buy them. If that perception spreads, it strengthens Apple's brand, and Apple's brand is more powerful than any of their competitors by a mile.

Here's an example. I've had two Windows desktops and one Windows laptop in my life, and all of them were terrible computers. They were slow, the laptop's battery life was atrocious (avoid Toshiba Satellites like the plague, by the way), and they certainly weren't particularly attractive devices (not that that matters much, but it's better for a device to be pretty than ugly, right?) The laptop, the last computer I had, was running Windows Vista, and that's what did it for me. I was sick of Microsoft. Since then, I've heard decent things about Windows 7 and have had generally good experiences using it myself on other people's computers, but it still had an exorbitant price, and Windows 8 is... well... Windows 8. A friend of mine who has zero interest in Apple products despises Windows 8, which they installed on all of the computers in the College of Business and ended up just confusing a bunch of their students and teachers. I think Microsoft's done a lot of stupid stuff with Xbox and Office too, which doesn't improve my perception of them.

Meanwhile, I've had several iPods, two iPhones, an iPad, an Apple TV, and a MacBook. Two of the iPods died on me (one was definitely my fault, though), but on the whole I've had an excellent experience with Apple products. I find iCloud incredibly useful, I think the organization of their products makes more sense, and I'm a college student and writer, both of which are big markets for Apple (education and creative, the former of which I got an education discount for and the latter of which means I get a bunch of great software that's directed at me).

So when I'm in the market for a new computer, am I going to buy a Windows computer? No. Is that because Apple cares about me? No, it's because they make a product that I suspect is more likely to suit my needs and work the way I want it to. It's branding and good business, it's not that Apple has a bigger heart than Microsoft. Some people would rather spend $500 on a laptop than $1000 and have it die on them in a year, but I'd rather spend the extra cash and have a better product that'll last me awhile.

If other companies understood that there's more to branding than commercials about how bad the other guy's product is (Samsung) or the fact that your tablet and keyboard click together (Microsoft), maybe they'd outsell their competition more.
You didn't really say anything new. Apple makes great products so that you like it, and buy more products from them. By definition, that means making products that benefit the user. They have no choice BUT to care about your user experience because it's the only way you'll be convinced to buy more.

There's no cure for smallpox or the flu. There are only treatments, and you just proved my point. They dont want a cure and will never give you one. If they did, they'd go out of business. Their objective is to keep you just sick enough to keep you on their pills, but not healthy enough to be 'cured'.
I don't buy into this conspiracy theory. We've made massive strides in medical treatment, and medication. The flu is a slight inconvenience as opposed to a death sentence. People BEAT cancer. Amputees compete in the OLYMPICS. To say that there is some huge stagnation in the medical field is absurd.

I can see the tin foil hat manufacturers aren't going out of business anytime soon either.
Thank you!

Walk a mile in the shoes of someone with an illness and you'll realize how privileged you are.

For the record, your lame internet zinger failed miserably... too bad you're not bright enough to comprehend certain things.

I found it funny. And quite frankly, your opinion is not all that different than a conspiracy theorists.
 
There's no cure for smallpox or the flu. There are only treatments, and you just proved my point. They dont want a cure and will never give you one. If they did, they'd go out of business. Their objective is to keep you just sick enough to keep you on their pills, but not healthy enough to be 'cured'.

I dunno if you're making some weird point, or are just being cynical for the sake of being cynical, but we've had an effective vaccine for smallpox for awhile now. Taking it immediately after exposure either gets rid of it altogether, or prevents the worst of it from manifesting in the vast majority of people.
 
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