Samsung Just Killed It

Discussion in 'Alternatives to iOS and iOS Devices' started by Sevanw, Aug 8, 2015.

  1. Sevanw macrumors 6502a

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    Killin it on the benchmark and killin android with Touchwiz lag and bloat. I really like Samsung phones but after using Motorolals and Nexus they really need to get their crap together on the software front
     
  3. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    I stopped looking at benchmarks. They're so pointless now a days on flagship smartphones.
     
  4. spinedoc77 macrumors G3

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    Déjà vu from last year and the Note 4, but Touchwiz still ended up being a lagfest.
     
  5. grkm3 macrumors 6502a

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    That's the exynos m1 mongoose core for the gs7!
     
  6. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    I think it's odd that with these benchmarks people still find Samsung phones to be lagging. Do other android flagships have this issue like the G4 or the new Moto x? Is tw that resource hungry compared to other android skins?
     
  7. Michael Goff macrumors G3

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    It's become pretty good lately, with the debloating of TW. I haven't noticed lag on my S6 lately, with the latest round of patches.
     
  8. Sevanw thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    The only thing left to complain about is that subjective thing called user experience. You know the thing that anyone can complain about, but nobody can debate, as it is subjective.
     
  9. grkm3 macrumors 6502a

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    I've hit like 75 or 80k on my gs6 but it was in a freezer and gov set to performance so the cell ran max clocks
     
  10. msavic macrumors 6502

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    Samsung phones have become sort of like those cars which when tested produce 500-600 horsepower yet in the real world are so heavy and don't have enough traction to run less than 6 seconds to 60mph.

    It's at the point where the amount of horsepower throws at their phones never translates to the user experience. The S6 scores nearly 70k in Antutu yet devices like the Moto G offer a similar level of speed in day to day use.

    Samsung seems to think it can outrun software optimization with pure horsepower and unfortunately that is not the case and until they realize that, the user experience won't be improved.
     
  11. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    I get that. Though I see problems with samsungs approach. Again they've fallen short in a quarter where they were really trying to rebound. Granted I've read it's because of the demand for the edge but this shows that Samsung didn't prepare adequately or at least understand its consumer base. Like mentioned, the Moto and other android handsets offer a similar experience for less money. They share android. The hardware is impressive but it's apparently not enough. I've seen vids where the G4 does way better at ram management than the s6. Even the iPhone 6 did a better job in this area. I'm sure the Moto x will perform at least as well as the G4.
     
  12. Sevanw thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Oh wow, you say that like it's absolute fact, while others have said it's the fastest most premium crafted phone around. So which one is it? Who decides what the absolute truth is? And do you know any phone that hasn't had users complain about lag?
     
  13. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    Yeah I read where supposedly the note 5 will have 4 gb ram with only like 773 mb user accessible. That's seems pretty heavy. The note 5 needs 3+gb to perform?

    The supposed 95k score looks impressive on paper. But how will it help them sell phones, the ultimate goal? They even went back to advertising directly against the iPhone 6. It didn't help them in the past, why keep giving Apple free marketing?
     
  14. Sevanw thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Again, I'll ask you the same question I asked the last poster. Name me a phone that hasn't had users complain about lag or user experience. It's pointless to try and debate user experience. Why? Because for the nth time, it's subjective. It's called USER experience for a reason. Your idea of lag is non existent to another person's experience.
     
  15. Truefan31, Aug 8, 2015
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    Did u read my quoted post? I'm not talking lag. I mentioned ram management.

    And again I'll ask how a 95k score will ultimately help Samsung in their goal which is selling more phones?
     
  16. jamezr macrumors G3

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    I don't have lag on my Note 4 or S6. The S6 is the fastest most responsive phone I have ever used. Have you used Note or S6 with lag?
     
  17. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    That's great. I'm glad you're enjoying your device. I agree user experience is subjective. So how does the 95k score help Samsung sell more phones when there's relatively cheaper android handsets that also can offer a somewhat similar experience?
     
  18. Sevanw thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Again, for the nth time, RAM management translates to user experience. This is how you're affected, by YOUR perception of ram management. When tech enthusiasts who really get bothered by the most minute micro stutters or refreshes, they are referring to user experience. How do you not understand this? Gyaddamn, I feel like Mugatu when he says, " the man has only one look, for Christ's sake! Blue Steel? Ferrari? Let Tigra? They're the same face! Doesn't anybody notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!"
     
  19. Sevanw thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    Why do you care? You want a cheaper phone with cheaper parts? Go buy it. Others that want a phone with the most expensive design, components and uniqueness will get a S6 Edge or a Note 5. Not everyone is insecure and needs to buy a phone that has the highest sales numbers and finds comfort in knowing others are buying the same.
     
  20. Fernandez21 macrumors 601

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    My Note 4 does lag and stutter from time to time. My S6 on the other hand while it did ocasional stutter, it recovered so quick it was hardly noticable. And the pure speed of the device more than made up for it. Can't wait for that speed boost to come to the Note.
     
  21. Truefan31, Aug 9, 2015
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    What does being insecure have to do with buying a phone with the highest sales numbers? So people buy galaxy phones because they're the highest selling flagship android phone?

    I'm saying because there's a lot of android oems you can get a relatively similar experience for a cheaper price to you as a consumer. I'm asking how a high bench score will help Samsung do what it wants to do, sell more products. There's a reason Samsung had a relatively bad quarter and imo it's not because of Apple mainly.

    So the criteria for buying a s6 edge or note 5 is that people want the most expensive components? That's an odd requirement.
     
  22. Sevanw thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I guess I'll need to ignore your flawed assumption that Samsung is looking for higher bench scores to increase sales (SMH). And then ask you a question in line with said flawed logic. Do more people opt for the 5C? Since it's cheaper and users can get even a more similar experience between the 5C and a new iP6/+ than one would experience between say, a Moto G and a Note or a G6/Edge. I mean, that is what your saying right? :rolleyes:

    On a side note, funny how I listed multiple reasons for someone choosing a S6/Edge/Note, yet you just referred to only one of those reaons. I think I might be better off taking those crazy pulls after all. o_O
     
  23. Truefan31, Aug 9, 2015
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    I'm not saying anything. I'm asking you how a high bench score would help Samsung do what its goal is, which is sell more products. I don't know. I'm asking you. You seem really impressed with the benchmark so how does that help Samsung have better business?

    What flawed logic am I using here? It's apparent that the new iPhone 6/6 plus outsell the 5c line. But this isn't about Apple. This is about Samsung and the competition they have within android. Lg Sony Motorola, nexus, then ones like xiaomi and one plus, etc they all use the same os. I believe they're cheaper to the consumer and they offer a relatively similar experience. Again imo samsungs relative bad quarters are because of this, not Apple.

    Your side note was people who buy s6 edge or note do because they want the most expensive designs, components, and uniqueness. That's really what you base your decisions on? So if it costs more that means you want it?
     
  24. Abazigal macrumors 604

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    That doesn't mean that it is meaningless to discuss about the end user experience, just that this cannot be readily broken down and distilled into a single number the same way we do with cpu and GPU benchmarks.

    And even benchmark numbers don't always paint an accurate picture of how well a device does perform in real life. Or how higher numbers don't always have a noticeable benefit, like PPI past a certain point.

    That said, I do think it is useful to at least try and express what we mean by a good user experience. For example, one might not be able to assign a number to the joy and satisfaction derived from interacting with a more responsive touchscreen or silky smooth scrolling through an app or website, or the frustration caused when these factors are absent. However, that does not mean that such metrics are irrelevant or that they don't matter to the end user.

    At the end of the day, not everything that can be measured necessarily matters to the end user. Just as not everything that matters can be measured.
     
  25. maflynn Moderator

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    I don't think consumers consult how a phone did on benchmarks prior to purchasing it. I just don't see how benchmarks can be used for marketing purposes at this point.
     

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