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Samsung Just Killed It

Michael Goff said:
The one fact I will always point out is that it says the Note 5 is using Dalvik 2.0 and says my S6 is running ART 2.0. So that means they inserted Dalvik into a system that (as far as I know) it was removed from just to downgrade from ART. Dalvik was replaced entirely in Lollipop, wasn't it?
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I thought so, what benchmarking app was it do you recall? I wonder if we run it on our S6/e's what it would say there.

(Geekbench) gonna see if I can run it :)

My S6e scores higher than the reported N920v but can't seem to find the memory part or section that mentions dalvik/art

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MRU said:
I thought so, what benchmarking app was it do you recall? I wonder if we run it on our S6/e's what it would say there.

(Geekbench) gonna see if I can run it :)
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The one I saw that said Dalvik was CPU-Z.
 
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Sevanw said:
This thread is a perfect example of what some of us have have been saying for a while. The bias and hate against Samsung in this subforum is ridiculous and is hidden in sheep's (no pun intended) clothing. Can you imagine, a simple benchmark score is posted and it turned into a complete bitchfest on spinning it negatively. It sure didn't take long for that strawman to show its ignorant and bitter little had. Nowhere did Samsung or anyone else mention how this is gonna sell more phones, or that average users look at benchmarks at all. Nowhere. It was just a simple benchmark of an unidentified device. Now any objective tech enthusiasts would get excited as this means new hardware. A new CPU. Anything. But no, not here. Here it was necessary to come up with something negative to offset that benchmark. Hilarious. Try hiding it all you like, but threads like this one expose who you really are. Like I've said many times, these days haters can't talk hardware anymore, because NOBODY can touch Samsung. That seems to have really hurt a lot of people and caused them to run to their undebateble user experience argument.

So here's something to think about, we all know the everyday user doesn't care about benchmarks. Completely obvious. But you know what else average users don't care for? Micro stutters and refreshes. But it sure doesn't stop anyone here posting about it. You know, the the thing that some of you just swear exists in the new S6/Edge. It's just so unusable. Riiight. Who needs crazy pills when I got the responses in this thread to read. o_O
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You're complaining about negativity toward Samsung in a sub forum on macrumors. Inconceivable huh.

You now say it's just a simple benchmark but ur thread title says how Samsung killed it and that its some gateway to new hardware. You seem to be hyping up Samsung, telling us it's undeniable they're the best yet saying user experience is totally subjective. Now we find out that score was faked.

Now u say people don't care about stutters and refreshes. Then u speak for tech enthusiasts saying the criteria for buying phones is getting the most expensive design, components, and uniqueness. It seems like you have a strong bias toward Samsung. I'd argue the s5 was more unique, being waterproof, sd card, removable battery. Things Samsung took away in their s6 and most likely note 5. If that's the criteria for s6 edge and note 5 buyers Samsung will continue to underwhelm each quarter.

I keep asking for real world benefit for Samsung and yet I get no answers. If Samsung has undeniably the best hardware then where's the tangible benefit? We all have opinions but I'm sure when Samsung reports lower earnings every quarter on their flagship galaxy phones they're not saying oh but our hardware is the best so all the supposed haters don't matter.

I just watched info on xiaomi and meizu. Very impressive products and pretty impressive pricing. It's these companies Samsung has to fight, and if continued success, imp Apple will as well.
 
Sevanw said:
This thread is a perfect example of what some of us have have been saying for a while. The bias and hate against Samsung in this subforum is ridiculous and is hidden in sheep's (no pun intended) clothing. Can you imagine, a simple benchmark score is posted and it turned into a complete bitchfest on spinning it negatively. It sure didn't take long for that strawman to show its ignorant and bitter little had. Nowhere did Samsung or anyone else mention how this is gonna sell more phones, or that average users look at benchmarks at all. Nowhere. It was just a simple benchmark of an unidentified device. Now any objective tech enthusiasts would get excited as this means new hardware. A new CPU. Anything. But no, not here. Here it was necessary to come up with something negative to offset that benchmark. Hilarious. Try hiding it all you like, but threads like this one expose who you really are. Like I've said many times, these days haters can't talk hardware anymore, because NOBODY can touch Samsung. That seems to have really hurt a lot of people and caused them to run to their undebateble user experience argument.

So here's something to think about, we all know the everyday user doesn't care about benchmarks. Completely obvious. But you know what else average users don't care for? Micro stutters and refreshes. But it sure doesn't stop anyone here posting about it. You know, the the thing that some of you just swear exists in the new S6/Edge. It's just so unusable. Riiight. Who needs crazy pills when I got the responses in this thread to read. o_O
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Context is everything. You are the one posting a benchmark result here on an Apple website. You have not explained what your purpose behind starting this thread is, not on the sort of responses you hope to elicit, and you are complaint about the replies that you do attract?

It was just not so long ago that every other person and their mother were boasting about how their Samsung phones had 3gb of ram and 8 cores while mocking the iPhone for having just 1 gb of ram and 2 cores, and for a time, people seemed to believe this (similar to the people who believed that a heavier rock would fall faster than a lighter one). It took an entire article by Anandtech to expose this completely hypocritical and fallacious line of thinking for what it was - sheer ignorance, complete hypocrisy and pure fallacy.

That genie is now out of the bottle. Raw specs don't automatically guarantee a better user experience, and in certain cases, may even end up harming the end user experience (such as more cores generating more heat resulting in faster thermal throttling). If anything, you are the one here trying to hide being high paper specs because that's really the only thing Samsung has left going for them.
 
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Abazigal said:
Raw specs don't automatically guarantee a better user experience, and in certain cases, may even end up harming the end user experience (such as more cores generating more heat resulting in faster thermal throttling). If anything, you are the one here trying to hide being high paper specs because that's really the only thing Samsung has left going for them.
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Actually they can do, for instance multi window multi tasking, something Apple has only got working by fitting more RAM into there devices. A clear example of how raw specs do improve the user experience. And this also makes a complete mockery of any Anandtech website article, a site well known for its Apple bias considering the guy who started it now works for Apple!

Or how many people rave about the 6 Plus screen size or Android phablet screen size, again raw specs giving better user experience.
 
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apolloa said:
Actually they can do, for instance multi window multi tasking, something Apple has only got working by fitting more RAM into there devices. A clear example of how raw specs do improve the user experience. And this also makes a complete mockery of any Anandtech website article, a site well known for its Apple bias considering the guy who started it now works for Apple!

Or how many people rave about the 6 Plus screen size or Android phablet screen size, again raw specs giving better user experience.
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Honestly....there is rarely an argument that has an absolute answer. This is no exception.

Your above example is correct, yet MRU is correct as well. Compare the Galaxy 5 (I believe that is the correct model) with the Moto x 2014....or whatever Galaxy was present for the original Moto x (4?). The hardware was far superior on the Galaxy....but the Moto completely out performed, out stabilized, and outdid the Galaxy in the user experience. Honestly the Moto x did this with the majority of smart phones.

The idea that specs doesn't equal performance is a corner stone of the Apple philosophy. There have been times when this philosophy, imo, was used to raises profit margins and leave room for the next upgraded iPhone. The 6 and 6 plus, which I am typing on the later right now, which were sorely in need of more ram, and the user experienced suffered. But if Apple had included that, what would they tout in the next iPhone? Force touch? Not a killer feature imo, not yet.

Yet with this in mind, how often have you picked up an iPhone or iPad and thought "this is a piece of crap. It's slow, over heats, and the specs are completely outdid by the bloated interface". Never would be the correct answer.

That is why, I think, we are seeing more and more android manufacturers chase optimized performance over pure specs (lg G4, Moto phones). I believe that Samsung is moving that way as well. Yet, you are still not incorrect, because for the price....Apple iPhones should come with the ever hardware on the market, just like the galaxies.
 
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apolloa said:
Actually they can do, for instance multi window multi tasking, something Apple has only got working by fitting more RAM into there devices. A clear example of how raw specs do improve the user experience. And this also makes a complete mockery of any Anandtech website article, a site well known for its Apple bias considering the guy who started it now works for Apple!

Or how many people rave about the 6 Plus screen size or Android phablet screen size, again raw specs giving better user experience.
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Also....just because anandtech founder works for Apple now, doesn't make them biased. I find there reviews are well thought out and pretty subjective. They praise any phone on its worths, and point out weaknesses. The example of this is they praised the s6, saying it is close to a perfect smartphone of it wasn't for the battery life....a pretty true statement. They also praised the current iPhones but called them out for the lack of ram...again a real issue.

Want a biased website? Read imore, in particular Renie. I am not one to insult, but I have never seen such biased, BS articles as they guy prints. I don't understand it....android central, the sister website, is a lot more far...even giving Apple credit when it's deserved.
 
MRU said:
Well that really did just kill it ...


Think we can all finally agree now benchmark scores aren't indicative of real world performance. Especially fake ones ...
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Not at all. Why would you conclude that from someone posting a fabricated score from a never released product?
No one ever had this mystery device in their hands. No one said it scored high yet did not perform as the high score would indicate.
Benchmark scores are part of the overall performance of a product. It is one of the deciding factors is purchasing a device. The best and most important being the user experience. How a device performs for the person buying and using the device. But benchmarks can certainly help with the buying and determining the eventual speed of the device.
 
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jamezr said:
Not at all. Why would you conclude that from someone posting a fabricated score from a never released product?
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Why would I be able to definitively conclude a fake benchmark score is not indicative of real world performance ?
 
MRU said:
Why would I be able to definitively conclude a fake benchmark score is not indicative of real world performance ?
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hmm........maybe the quote i responded to?

MRU said: ↑
Well that really did just kill it ...


Think we can all finally agree now benchmark scores aren't indicative of real world performance. Especially fake ones ...
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jamezr said:
Great! So then you agree that benchmarks are indicative of how a device performs in the real word! Got it :)
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Not fully no. They give us reassurance our new device is more powerful than previous models but often that difference doesn't translate into seeing that in day to day usage. If you read through the clear explanation I have already posted in this thread you will know exactly my point.

My S6e loads apps initially faster than any android device I've owned or still own. Yet because of other factors (cpu speed is only a partial story in the governance of end user experience) it can feel slower re-opening backgrounded applications than devices with lower benchmark scores. That pause whilst an app refreshes content compared to a device which doesn't need to refresh the content means the theoretical faster device performs slower to the end user.

Does that mean benchmarks are irrelevant, no. But it does mean that something that only tests something in a certain manner - does not reflect a picture as a whole and should not be held up as a 'definitive' statement of end user experience / real world usage.
 
MRU said:
Not fully no. They give us reassurance our new device is more powerful than previous models but often that difference doesn't translate into seeing that in day to day usage. If you read through the clear explanation I have already posted in this thread you will know exactly my point.

My S6e loads apps initially faster than any android device I've owned or still own. Yet because of other factors (cpu speed is only a partial story in the governance of end user experience) it can feel slower re-opening backgrounded applications than devices with lower benchmark scores. That pause whilst an app refreshes content compared to a device which doesn't need to refresh the content means the theoretical faster device performs slower to the end user.

Does that mean benchmarks are irrelevant, no. But it does mean that something that only tests something in a certain manner - does not reflect a picture as a whole and should not be held up as a 'definitive' statement of end user experience / real world usage.
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LOL....so my original response and quote was pretty on target with your position on benchmarks.
 
jamezr said:
LOL....so my original response and quote was pretty on target with your position on benchmarks.
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Is what I have written articulately not accurate ?

How about you tell us your position, your reasoning for either seeing Benchmarks as the be all and end all or if they are otherwise.

Jamezr said:
Benchmark scores are part of the overall performance of a product. It is one of the deciding factors is purchasing a device. The best and most important being the user experience. How a device performs for the person buying and using the device. But benchmarks can certainly help with the buying and determining the eventual speed of the device
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Is that not exactly what I have posted repeatedly here on this thread . They are only a partial indication of a whole and not definitive governor of end user experience and shouldn't be seen as such? There are greater factors than CPU scores that affect how a device operates than a benchmark score.
 
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I've hit 75k antutu and overclocked gs6s have broke 81k so the numbers are not to far off given that arm said a72 cores will be 20-60% faster then the older cores.

Here is my gs6 on second firmware hitting 72k I got 75k on original and knew my cell got a little slower after the update but I never saved the screen shot.

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