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I'm only saying small things like color selection, updated mid-cycle instead of introduced with a new phone, looks a lot more like a reactionary response than something they had been planning.
So when Samsung introduced Coral Blue a couple of months ago, was this a reactionary response? No, it was a smart move to provide a new colour to attract new sales. As is re-introducing their glossy black to provide a sales boost.
 
According to Fortune Magazine (2014) Samsung had the second biggest research and development spendings of all the companies in the world. Source here.

According to Macrumors poster @aussiephil Samsung does "nothing other than copying".

Who is right? Fortune Magazine or Macrumors poster aussiephil?
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As opposed to a reaction...

If the new color (also if it wasn't the only new color announced) came with a new flagship device, it would look less reactionary; it would look a bit more like it was part of the plan all along (maybe not the choice of color, but wanting to expand the color selection would feel more organic)

Adding a new color mid-cycle, and one that, although named differently, is expected to be similar to the one Apple shipped with their new phone (especially when they already have a "glossy black" option from what I gather) looks more like a response than something they were planning all along.

And all that is particularly ridiculous in that it's just a color... if you really want a high end phone but you decide not to buy because it's not "glossy" enough, that's just weird to be (but to each his own). Additionally, some people already see Samsung as a copycat, why fuel the fire with something as frivolous as the glossiness of your black finish. Maybe people at Samsung have data that shows it is a good and necessary move, I just personally doubt it's the case.
Can you list what phones (and go into details about design, features and colors) Samsung were planning for 2016/2017. Do you have any internal documents from 2-4 years ago?
 
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So when Samsung introduced Coral Blue a couple of months ago, was this a reactionary response? No, it was a smart move to provide a new colour to attract new sales. As is re-introducing their glossy black to provide a sales boost.

Obviously not, and I never said that either. I don't know if any other manufacturer had a flagship with a color similar to Coral Blue, but in a market where Apple and Samsung are always pitted against each other, if we look at just those two companies, Apple didn't and still doesn't have a blue color option. Therefore, no; introducing that color was definitely not a reaction. Logical.

The iPhone X Plus were a reaction to an emerging segment of the Smartphone market, that was ushered in by Samsung. It already looked like a reaction, but it would've been even more evident it was one if the first Plus version had been introduced mid-cycle.

Why introduce a glossier version now? Why not a white glossy finish? If people are persuaded to upgrade because of a marginally different black finish, and in large enough numbers to boost sales, id be really surprised.
 
The iPhone X Plus were a reaction to an emerging segment of the Smartphone market, that was ushered in by Samsung. It already looked like a reaction, but it would've been even more evident it was one if the first Plus version had been introduced mid-cycle.
Changing the screen size cannot be done mid cycle. Colours can easily be changed at any point in a production cycle.
If Samsung get feedback that people want a glossy black colour, then clearly it is smart to introduce it. Especially for Note upgraders who now cannot get the Onyx Black that was an option with the Note 7. You know there are people who want Samsung phones who may well think that the glossy black iPhone would be good on a Samsung.

For years I saw Apple fans mocking screens larger than 4 inches and saying there was no need for them, because Apple have preached to us. But I bet most of them have them now. Same thing will be observed when Apple release phones with +2k screens.
It is good to often go to the bottom of your walled garden and have a look through the gate at what is happening in the real world.
 
Changing the screen size cannot be done mid cycle. Colours can easily be changed at any point in a production cycle.
If Samsung get feedback that people want a glossy black colour, then clearly it is smart to introduce it. Especially for Note upgraders who now cannot get the Onyx Black that was an option with the Note 7. You know there are people who want Samsung phones who may well think that the glossy black iPhone would be good on a Samsung.

For years I saw Apple fans mocking screens larger than 4 inches and saying there was no need for them, because Apple have preached to us. But I bet most of them have them now. Same thing will be observed when Apple release phones with +2k screens.
It is good to often go to the bottom of your walled garden and have a look through the gate at what is happening in the real world.

I don't know if I'm not explaining myself well-enough or if you're ignoring my point... it was just an example, as I was trying the explain what I meant by "something being planned vs. a reaction"

Bigger screen was a reaction, this seems a whole lot like a reaction. Sometimes reacting is the right to do, we'll see if this was effective or not down the line. I personally doubt that when you're in the market for a flagship device, the difference between black and glossy black will be a determining factor. It is awesome to have variety and choices... but if you want a Samsung device, you'll get it. If you want an iPhone you'll get it. I think a blue/gunmetal iPhone would look awesome. Even if all the other manufacturers were to have such a device, if I prefer an iPhone and feel that the iPhone is the best for my use/ecosystem/lifestyle, I'll still buy an iPhone regardless of the color.
 
According to Fortune Magazine (2014) Samsung had the second biggest research and development spendings of all the companies in the world. Source here.

According to Macrumors poster @aussiephil Samsung does "nothing other than copying".

Who is right? Fortune Magazine or Macrumors poster aussiephil?
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Can you list what phones (and go into details about design, features and colors) Samsung were planning for 2016/2017. Do you have any internal documents from 2-4 years ago?
lol dude why are you so mad?
can't you not accept that your poor samsung has resorted to copying apple's hype.
Even if they INVENTED glossy/glassy black for phones a thousand years ago, they are pushing it out now, after apple has released the jet black iphone 7, and the media is shining a spotlight on it.

And what say you about them following suit to remove the headphone jack?
Stop being so salty.
 
I don't know if I'm not explaining myself well-enough or if you're ignoring my point... it was just an example, as I was trying the explain what I meant by "something being planned vs. a reaction"

Bigger screen was a reaction, this seems a whole lot like a reaction. Sometimes reacting is the right to do, we'll see if this was effective or not down the line. I personally doubt that when you're in the market for a flagship device, the difference between black and glossy black will be a determining factor. It is awesome to have variety and choices... but if you want a Samsung device, you'll get it. If you want an iPhone you'll get it. I think a blue/gunmetal iPhone would look awesome. Even if all the other manufacturers were to have such a device, if I prefer an iPhone and feel that the iPhone is the best for my use/ecosystem/lifestyle, I'll still buy an iPhone regardless of the color.
And Samsung buyers will still buy a S7 but would LIKE a glossy black. Samsung shoudn't provide that for them? What is wrong with a company reacting to their market?
And there are HTC and LG owners for instance who may well be swayed to change to an S7 if it has a glossy black colour.
It's called market choice.
You seem to think Samsung just introduced the new colour to see if that will sell.
 
lol dude why are you so mad?
can't you not accept that your poor samsung has resorted to copying apple's hype.
Even if they INVENTED glossy/glassy black for phones a thousand years ago, they are pushing it out now, after apple has released the jet black iphone 7, and the media is shining a spotlight on it.

And what say you about them following suit to remove the headphone jack?
Stop being so salty.
And Apple didn't copy Samsung's large screens, stylii and multiple windows on mobile devices?
 
doesn't really matter.. there are always almost look-a-colors one way or another eventually anyway.
 
While the similarities are always hilarious to me, are we seriously trying to act like Apple invented the color black?

By some of the posts here, it appears that way.
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What happened to Samsung being original? That's disappointing. I really liked how Samsung had it's own ideas and did things completely different from Apple.

Yea, black is such a rare, unusual color.
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And Apple didn't copy Samsung's large screens, stylii and multiple windows on mobile devices?
That's different.
 
That doesn't make it a iPhone, it's still a Samsung

This post really doesn't make sense. Samsung isn't trying to emulate the iPhone. They released another color strictly to refresh and allow for further choices. The color scheme isn't even the same as the iPhone. I commend Samsung for introducing another color to reach to others who it may appeal too. And they have no option to expand on the Note 7 with the recall.
 
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And I'll be dubbed a fanboy for making statements that imply Samsung's ideas are 'inspired' by Apple. Pfft. Give me a break. I will never buy a Samsung product again because I refuse to encourage a company with nothing other than copying as part of their strategy. They may be Apple's main competitor but it doesn't mean they are a worthy one.
I'm going to put it this way for any "fanboys". The iPhone used to be a great phone. I was a long long time user of the iPhone. Somewhere along the line Apple products became overpriced useless piles of ****. All due to the idiotic users that like it because of its "simplicity". I hate the App Store because it's controlled by Apple, they pick and choose what programs are worthy for the device. You can no longer jailbreak them which allowed me to use the phone to its full potential, Apple has basically said "we know what's best for you, you're just sheep, and we are the herders." All of these things together have caused me to switch to Samsung devices. My Samsung now does EVERYTHING my iPhone used to do when jailbroken. I have root access and everything. The people still using the iPhone are in a dream land, they are sheep. I'm a wolf, not a sheep. Make your own decisions not one based on a barrage of adverts.
 
Oh yes, there are muppets on all sides.

It just it seems far more culturally ingrained here? Like the reaction to absolutely anything anyone else does, as well as the way industry-normal features are presented as revolutionary.

It's a daftness that blunts products that are already remarkable. Most Apple products are great. We don't need an additional fantasy that the the rest of the technology industry is enslaved to it. It makes even less sense now, given Apple's... odd... current direction.

I'm sure when Apple get's access to the bezelless technology Dell had the rights to for 3 years next year and puts it on the MBPs, there will be people claiming it's an Apple first and revolutionary. It's an odd tech bubble that's quite Apple.

Sure, there will be some who say Apple did it first, It is common practice for fans of either side to behave such ways when something new to them comes out. Despite the Information Age we live in, many tech fans are far from Tech experts, or tech historians (including myself). We easily get caught up in what we like, often overlooking alternative products simply because they aren't on our radar.

That said, I disagree with the idea that the we were first and toxic attitude is primarily an Apple fan problem. A quick stroll onto YouTube, or Facebook comments will easily show that Apple fans are only part of the noise, and usually in the minority.

I think this is because as a whole, despite their success, Apple fans still only make up for a tiny a portion of the overall user base on both Personal Computers, as well as mobile phones. Inside of that subset, only a small portion of their customers are actually active on forums like these, or in social media. In both cases, those users are easily outnumbered by Windows / Android fans.

For Instance, Macrumors has been around since 2000, with ~ 892,000 registered users (not all Apple Fans mind you). AndroidCentral which went live 7 years later, has just under two Million more users than this site. (2,882,000 today).

If you are basing your opinion on MacRumors traffic, well, obviously it will be mostly Pro Apple here, as this is an Apple fan site. That said overall, I personally feel we have a well balanced user base that supports both sides almost equally. Things get heated, there are trolls form both camps for sure, but despite being an Apple fan site, we have a fair amount of level headed fans from both sides.

A decent (and often more polite than anywhere else) Balance of opposing opinions is a major reason I stay active here.
 
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Sure, there will be some who say Apple did it first, It is common practice for fans of either side to behave such ways when something new to them comes out. Despite the Information Age we live in, many tech fans are far from Tech experts, or tech historians (including myself). We easily get caught up in what we like, often overlooking alternative products simply because they aren't on our radar.

That said, I disagree with the idea that the we were first and toxic attitude is primarily an Apple fan problem. A quick stroll onto YouTube, or Facebook comments will easily show that Apple fans are only part of the noise, and usually in the minority.

I think this is because as a whole, despite their success, Apple fans still only make up for a tiny a portion of the overall user base on both Personal Computers, as well as mobile phones. Inside of that subset, only a small portion of their customers are actually active on forums like these, or in social media. In both cases, those users are easily outnumbered by Windows / Android fans.

For Instance, Macrumors has been around since 2000, with ~ 892,000 registered users (not all Apple Fans mind you). AndroidCentral which went live 7 years later, has just under two Million more users than this site. (2,882,000 today).

If you are basing your opinion on MacRumors traffic, well, obviously it will be mostly Pro Apple here, as this is an Apple fan site. That said overall, I personally feel we have a well balanced user base that supports both sides almost equally. Things get heated, there are trolls form both camps for sure, but despite being an Apple fan site, we have a fair amount of level headed fans from both sides.

A decent (and often more polite than anywhere else) Balance of opposing opinions is a major reason I stay active here.


Oh, I don't mean here specifically - I meant the wider Apple community. I'm a member here because it's by far the most grounded Apple community. It's just that that mindset also creeps in here, with this bizarre anti-reality bias which just makes Apple fans (myself included) look daft to anyone outside the bubble.
 



Samsung as rumored last month has announced the Galaxy S7 edge will be available in a new "Black Pearl" color in select markets starting tomorrow. The glossy finish, exclusive to 128GB versions of the smartphone, will inevitably draw comparisons to the Jet Black iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus.

GalaxyS7edge_BlackPearl_Main_1.jpg

Samsung already offered the Galaxy S7 edge and ill-fated Galaxy Note7 in a somewhat glossy Black Onyx finish, so we will have to wait for actual photos of the new Black Pearl color to see the difference between the two colorways. Samsung said the all-black finish "radiates quality and luxury."The new color arrives nearly two months after Samsung permanently discontinued the Galaxy Note7 following battery-related safety risks.

Samsung following in the footsteps of iPhone colors is not unprecedented. Earlier this year, it released the Galaxy S7 in Pink Gold after Apple launched the iPhone 6s in Rose Gold last year. However, in Samsung's defense, it has offered some variation of a pink smartphone in select markets since at least 2012.

The new color follows reports Samsung's next-generation Galaxy S8 will not include a headphone jack, following in the footsteps of the Moto Z in June and iPhone 7 in September. The Galaxy S8 is also said to have a bezel-free display and virtual home button, two features rumored for Apple's next iPhones.

Article Link: Samsung Matches Jet Black iPhone With New Glossy 'Black Pearl' Galaxy S7 Edge

Goddammit with the copying Samsung! Stop! Enough! Go play with a 3D printer or something! Jeebus!
 
That doesn't make it a iPhone, it's still a Samsung

Which is not a bad thing at all these days.

Unless iOS is too embedded in one's system (which is fair) and you value quality customer service (which is also fair...I've had a bit of a frustrating time with Samsung but I cannot dispute the incredible quality of the S7 phone)

Galaxy Phones are incredible these days for those who can manage Android (one day iPhone-exclusive fans will experience how handy things like OLED displays and Always On Display can be, in addition to wireless charging, an ultra power saving mode, and hopefully high resolution displays...things I could see Apple adopting hopefully as soon as next year)
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Goddammit with the copying Samsung! Stop! Enough! Go play with a 3D printer or something! Jeebus!


They gotta do something to make up for the Note 7 debacle. New colours is one way to try to gain some traction and spice up the "just past mid-cycle" S7 line.
 
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