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"The 3.5mm headphone jack is essentially a 19th Century bit of kit - it is a miniaturised version of the classic quarter-inch jack (6.35mm), which is said to go back as far as 1878."

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Your example is flawed, the floppy drive was axed because the maximum data it could hold was 1.44mb, just like it's successor the Jaz drive was capped, just like the CD, just like the DVD etc. Basically these media's were out dated by the demand for swing larger more high quality data. The standard audio port has no cap and can potentially greatly exceed what the human ear can register. For sound to work the source has to converted to analog (vibrating air on varying wave forms). Digital (what apple is proposing) is basically 1's and 0's and has to be converted to analog at some point for us to hear the signal - we can not hear a pure digital signal. They are just moving the DAC from inside the phone to outside the phone, a like for like DAC (internal vs. external) will yield no difference to the audio experience. If they haven't filled that surplus space with battery, then you're no better off than buying an already available external DAC and sticking with your existing setup.
 
They are just moving the DAC from inside the phone to outside the phone, a like for like DAC (internal vs. external) will yield no difference to the audio experience. If they haven't filled that surplus space with battery, then you're no better off than buying an already available external DAC and sticking with your existing setup.
If the phone is going to have an internal speaker(s), it will still have an internal DAC. Making the removal of the headphone jack even more pointless.
 
Floppy disk drive =/= headphone jack
For one, the floppy disk had a viable alternative
Headphone jack really doesn't yet have a viable alternative that is actually superior.

Yeah an analog port is sooooooo superior to a digital port.
 
Your example is flawed, the floppy drive was axed because the maximum data it could hold was 1.44mb, just like it's successor the Jaz drive was capped, just like the CD, just like the DVD etc. Basically these media's were out dated by the demand for swing larger more high quality data. The standard audio port has no cap and can potentially greatly exceed what the human ear can register. For sound to work the source has to converted to analog (vibrating air on varying wave forms). Digital (what apple is proposing) is basically 1's and 0's and has to be converted to analog at some point for us to hear the signal - we can not hear a pure digital signal. They are just moving the DAC from inside the phone to outside the phone, a like for like DAC (internal vs. external) will yield no difference to the audio experience. If they haven't filled that surplus space with battery, then you're no better off than buying an already available external DAC and sticking with your existing setup.

The problem you're encountering is a lack of imagination. For example, a powered digital port allows for noise cancelling headphones that are light and effective, which don't need batteries and can harness the processing power of the phone.

The truth is that people are afraid of change and make up silly excuses why it's not needed, ignoring the possibilities including those not thought up yet.
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You do realize that Apple is going to be sending an analog signal via the Lightning port? All speakers are analog.

So what? Did you know you can also use the digital port to enhance the function of your headphones, opening up endless possibilities?
 
I don't see many articles here that reach so many posts (currently close to 800), so it tells me the rumor of the 3.5mm jack removal strikes an angry cord with many consumers.
 
If the phone is going to have an internal speaker(s), it will still have an internal DAC. Making the removal of the headphone jack even more pointless.

Excellent point that I don't think many people understand. Also, if a digital audio signal is output through the lighting port, devices connected to the lightning port will also require a DAC
 
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So what? Did you know you can also use the digital port to enhance the function of your headphones, opening up endless possibilities?

How is an analog signal being piggybacked on a digital capable port going to enhance the function of purely analog headphones lacking any onboard circuitry?
 
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The problem you're encountering is a lack of imagination. For example, a powered digital port allows for noise cancelling headphones that are light and effective, which don't need batteries and can harness the processing power of the phone.

The truth is that people are afraid of change and make up silly excuses why it's not needed, ignoring the possibilities including those not thought up yet.
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So what? Did you know you can also use the digital port to enhance the function of your headphones, opening up endless possibilities?

That would be awesome, headphones drawing power from a phone that can't even last a day to begin which now lacks the ability to be charged at the same time...AWESOME
 
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So what? Did you know you can also use the digital port to enhance the function of your headphones, opening up endless possibilities?

How is an analog signal being piggybacked on a digital capable port going to enhance the function of purely analog headphones lacking any onboard circuitry?

I have my bag of popcorn ready as I too would love to hear the answer to that question.
 
The problem you're encountering is a lack of imagination. For example, a powered digital port allows for noise cancelling headphones that are light and effective, which don't need batteries and can harness the processing power of the phone.

The truth is that people are afraid of change and make up silly excuses why it's not needed, ignoring the possibilities including those not thought up yet.
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So what? Did you know you can also use the digital port to enhance the function of your headphones, opening up endless possibilities?

The Sony Xperia line have had passive noise cancelling headphone support via the 3.5mm headphone jack for the past two years (Xperia Z2 onwards). 4 different modes of cancellation to choose from via software with no external battery source required. I'm truly cross platform (mac, pc, android and ios) and not afraid of change. I just don't believe in hyperbole.
 
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I think it is you my friend that doesn't understand. The human ear needs an analog signal to hear (sounds are made up of vibrations in varying wave forms). Digital is just 1's and 0's hence the need of a DAC to convert it to analog. The better the DAC, the better the conversion is going to be. If apple include a good inline DAC with their headphones you may notice a slight difference, if it's the same type as they currently use inside their phones you will not notice a difference. Basically the change to lightening headphones is pointless as the digital signal has to be changed at some point, they are just moving something that was once internal to a dongle or to be inline on the headphone cord. Lightening over 3.5mm Jack offers very few advantages.

Good point but I believe the iPhone would still require an internal DAC to power the speaker. So as it was pointed out earlier, even less of a reason to remove the 3.5mm jack since an internal DAC is still needed to drive the internal speaker.
 
Good point but I believe the iPhone would still require an internal DAC to power the speaker. So as it was pointed out earlier, even less of a reason to remove the 3.5mm jack since an internal DAC is still needed to drive the internal speaker.

*Phil Schiller enters*
 
The problem you're encountering is a lack of imagination. For example, a powered digital port allows for noise cancelling headphones that are light and effective, which don't need batteries and can harness the processing power of the phone.

The truth is that people are afraid of change and make up silly excuses why it's not needed, ignoring the possibilities including those not thought up yet.
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So what? Did you know you can also use the digital port to enhance the function of your headphones, opening up endless possibilities?
Do you know you can do that right now with the current iPhone that has the 3.5mm jack?
 
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The Sony Xperia line have had passive noise cancelling headphone support via the 3.5mm headphone jack for the past two years (Xperia Z2 onwards). 4 different modes of cancellation to choose from via software with no external battery source required. I'm truly cross platform (mac, pc, android and ios) and not afraid of change. I just don't believe in hyperbole.

Meh, that was just one idea of the top of my head. What about the ideas that haven't been thought of yet? Keep your analog headphones, but the world is moving forward with or without you.
 
Meh, that was just one idea of the top of my head. What about the ideas that haven't been thought of yet? Keep your analog headphones, but the world is moving forward with or without you.
Mac fanboys last time I checked were not "the world".
 
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How is an analog signal being piggybacked on a digital capable port going to enhance the function of purely analog headphones lacking any onboard circuitry?

Because you're not limited to that. LOL, you really needed to ask that question? Oooh, you're not allowed to touch the digital port, analog only!
 
Meh, that was just one idea of the top of my head. What about the ideas that haven't been thought of yet? Keep your analog headphones, but the world is moving forward with or without you.
And it was a bad idea since it is nothing new and not an added benefit. Tell us an actual benefit.
 
Mac fanboys last time I checked were not "the world".

Err, ok pal! But there is this thing called USB C and in the non Apple money extraction non-standard walled garden it's now replacing headphone ports on Android devices. Google my excellent phone, the Moto Z, for an example.
 
And it was a bad idea since it is nothing new and not an added benefit. Tell us an actual benefit.
The benefit is increased flexibility and innovation. What's the benefit of keeping your dumb analog port?
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It's moving granted, but in which direction?
Can you read? Here, let me repeat myself: "moving forward." Maybe you're not familiar with that direction?
 
Most people won't notice nor care.
But they will notice having to charge your headphones now.. and also spending multiple times more for headphones...no more $15 running and gym headphones...and also no longer being able to participate in road trip aux cable DJing.
All very important considerations in my opinion.

The 6s can do all of the above and everything that a lightning headphone can do.

So how is it 'better'

I had thought of the gym and the few headphones I have been through, but totally forgot about the AUX in our cars. UGH. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :mad:
 
If the phone is going to have an internal speaker(s), it will still have an internal DAC. Making the removal of the headphone jack even more pointless.
Here is a weird thought. Yes, if Apple does remove the mini headphone jack. BUT, is it possible to have the analog signals going through the lightning port? The iPhone already has a DAC in place for the speaker(s). Does someone have a 'pin-outs' description of each pin on the lightning connector? If there are three unused pins at a given time, these could supply the analog audio signals to the headphones.

Just an idea.
 
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