Samsung Not Interested in Settlement with Apple over Patent Issues

[theluggage]

That is ironically also a statement that sounds like it's coming from a fanboy.

Personally, I couldn't care less which one of these big corporations prevails - the only real winner will be the lawyers on both sides.

Samsung deserved a slapping for some of their earlier Galaxy iClones and tablets that even copied much-criticised features of the iDevices (like proprietary connectors and no expandable memory).

However, what they're doing now is offering genuine choice and variety - large screens, styluses, SD slots, Mini phones - and other refinements (what they've done with their slide-to-unlock workaround is interesting, with large notification icons that you can swipe to jump straight to the appropriate action).

The iPhone is still great, still has the cleaner, more consistent UI, but apple are betting a lot on 'one size fits all'.

 

[crisss1205]

Originally Posted by HarryKNN21
Galaxy SIII and Galaxy Note II have already blown iPhone 5 out of the water, of course I know Apple fanbois are not going to admit this.




Here you go:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57505552-37/upset-iphone-4s-surrenders-u.s-crown-to-galaxy-s3/

and it's about most SELLING!!!! so please don't start that "shipping numbers" discussion again.

Umm, that says it beat out the 13 month old iPhone 4S for the first time, not the iPhone 5 which was barely on sale during the same period.

 

[Oletros]

So you're arguing that it's impossible to get a sense of a broadly successful product by just looking around you?

Yes, looking around doesn't say nothing without taking into account how it is your market.

But besides this, it was revealed publicly 1 month before the iPhone so it's not a reason for the iPhone coming into being at all. Without the LG Prada, the iPhone would be exactly the same, it was an irrelevant product.

Who has said nothing about the iPhone?

 

[Sesshy]

Samsung has the money for lawyers. They are larger than HTC, and can afford the fight. I must say though, Apple is becoming a patent troll. On some issues, I side with Apple, but these other claims are absurd.

Steve Jobs would totally have supported Apple's absurdly frivolous lawsuits:

"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong," Jobs told his biographer. "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this."

Jobs may have been a brilliant innovator, but he was also a madman and a spiteful jerk.

 

[samcraig]

So, you admit that there were phones prior to the iPhone with touch only interfaces?

Yap, because the original iPhone had an incomparable ecosystem, didn't it? Comparable to the LG Prada one

What iOS ecosystem did the original iPhone have. iTunes for music?

There wasn't an app store when the original iPhone was released. LOL

 

[frayne182]

Umm, that says it beat out the 13 month old iPhone 4S for the first time, not the iPhone 5 which was barely on sale during the same period.

The S3 is considered a competitor to the iPhone 4s and not the iPhone 5.

It came out in May. Not anytime close to the timeline of the iPhone 5.

 

[subsonix]

Yes, looking around doesn't say nothing without taking into account how it is your market.

Looking around these days includes, internet, media, tech magazines etc.

Who has said nothing about the iPhone?

Que?

 

[dennno]

Doubt it. And since there's no evidence to support your assertion - it's just your opinion.

Both companies are, however, large enough to have separate budgets for their departments without one affecting the other. They wouldn't necc. cut one to pay for the other.

That's true. We don't have any evidence that suggests so or never will. But eventually if these cases escalate in severity, it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that legal costs will exceed their allocated budget. This expense has to come from somewhere.

They'll likely have additional cash reserves for it. I guess I'm thinking of the worst case scenario, where either profit margins are reported to be lower or budget is reallocated. Higher profit margins = happier shareholders

 

[coolspot18]

The S3 is considered a competitor to the iPhone 4s and not the iPhone 5.

It came out in May. Not anytime close to the timeline of the iPhone 5.

Time has nothing to do with it... the S3 has all the features to compete directly with the iPhone 5.

Apple really needs to reinvent the iPhone for the next release - the OS, hardware, etc are all getting stale.

 

[syd430]

I don't get all the "patent troll" arguments. Why bother spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on obtaining patents if you have no intention on defending them when they are infringed upon?

 

[Oletros]

Looking around these days includes, internet, media, tech magazines etc.

I have never seen anyone with an LG Prada, or heard of anyone who had one

You were not talking about internet, tech magazines, etc.

 

[frayne182]

Time has nothing to do with it... the S3 has all the features to compete directly with the iPhone 5.

Apple really needs to reinvent the iPhone for the next release - the OS, hardware, etc are all getting stale.

Time has plenty to do with it lol.



But I agree iOS is getting stale.

 

[Mystic386]

Samsung's decision to fight on has made the Christmas of many lawyers. Shopping lists have been made longer with more expensive items.

As for Samsung's statement. They would make this statement if they weren't going to settle. They'd also make this statement if they were going to settle as a negotiating statement.

I wouldn't read more into the statement.

I'll go out on a limb and predict a settlement between Samsung and Apple before the end of 2013. Why? 1/ Well it's costing a bundle. 2/ Samsung are in the best position now to settle having won so many cases.

On a side note while Apple is good at tech (opinion) it should really look at hiring better lawyers particularly outside the US.

The longer this goes on the less a jury will be able to imagine the day when Apple released the iPhone and nothing like it existed. You can't un-know what you know at a core level. The idea of the smartphone becomes more obvious and less unique with time.

I wonder if with hindsight Apple may have been better to licence from day 1.

 

[sc4rf4c3]

I never said there weren't other phones with touch interfaces. What I said was they were the FIRST to reinvent the way it was implemented, which resulted to the array of smartphones we see today. I highly doubt your precious LG prada was the inspiration for the SIII or Lumia or HTC phones.

The original iPhone already had iTunes, the largest App store at the time and others. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than LG. I don't understand the basis of your arguments ....

Lol, love the comment in bold. How can you reinvent something that's already implemented? BTW, the first iPhone don't have an App store.

 

[thekev]

Isn't that what R&D is for? To research and develop new products and innovations that customers may be interested in. The same way Google is looking into bringing us closer into virtual reality with Project Glass, or the way Apple introduced the iPod; or innovations brought by Motorola (mobility).

I'm not sure of your point of argument here. Both of these companies have plenty of cash on hand to fund R&D projects. Samsung spends billions on R&D, but I'm not sure how that is distributed amongst its divisions.

 

[Rogifan]

If we stop commenting on this crap maybe Mac Rumors will stop posting it.

Never. They love their click bait.

 

[neuropsychguy]

Do you really believe that you need insider knowledge to copy a design or some icons? Really?

Of course not but that wasn't the point of my post. My point is that Samsung is an insider and so when they do copy, Apple does not take kindly to it. Being an insider does make any copying more egregious and flagrant offenses though.

 

[MH01]

Right, what I was trying to get to is that a company the operates in the western parts of the world would never get away with this type of cloning. Customs and police is kept busy going after this type of activity where ever it pops up.

Yeah but this "cloning" has not been proved. My S3 and Iphone 5 have to be the worst case example of cloning ever. Here in the UK the case was thrown out and Apple forced to apologise, I hope when you say western parts of the world that is not just US.

She must have missed the memo....

http://www.engadget.com/2012/11/14/galaxy-note-10-1-for-the-queen/

 

[Tigger92]

The iPhone 5 sold almost as many (5 million) in 3 days as the GS3 sold in its first three weeks (6 million).

The Note II I believe has sold just over 3 million since it's release about a month ago? Correct me if I'm wrong on the timeframe....

Point being, the iPhone is still the most popular individual phone. Heck the more than a year old 4S - thought to be a minor spec bump - is still selling well. It took a brand new Samsung phone to unseat it (only by a few million sold too).

People get upset when their choice isn't the majority's choice - what most don't realize is a lot of the time, the majority is completely whacked....

You pick the phone that works for you. Let the companies battle it out if they want (which both Samsung AND Apple clearly want). You buy your Note II, I'll buy my iP5 - neither of us are hurting each other and you don't need to justify your purchase to me, just as I don't feel the need to justify mine to you.

Thanks! Just didn't know that actual numbers.

I do agree that everyone's individual purchase should not need to be justified. I was only pointing out that too many on here make claims on sales or markets in general without giving any specifics...I personally could care less what that specific person prefers or buys.

By the way...for the record...I do plan on upgrading my iP4s to an iP5.

 

[MH01]

I don't get all the "patent troll" arguments. Why bother spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on obtaining patents if you have no intention on defending them when they are infringed upon?

Does apple not have a patent for a stylus? Now I would hate to see an Apple product with it, on the same note, Apple should not have the right to stop another company cause it has a patent it does not intent to use......

 

[G4DP]

Does samsuck even have a R and D team? Or just a copy and duplicate team? I can't wait for the day that Apple has different suppliers and nothing is made by samsuck.

Can anyone be so clueless? Apple has the smallest R&D budget of any major electronic company. They spend under 3% a years on R&D. They get all the suppliers to do the real work. Samsung spent nearly $10bn alone last year. They are looking at spending $42bn this year. Apple only spend those large amount of money of accountants to help it avoid paying tax and lawyers to make stupid claims in court.

 

[MrWillie]

Ah, because tou didn't seen any LG Prada it was a flop. Really?

Ah, it was not quickly discontinued, it was replaced more than a year after with the LG Prada II.

So yes, please Google the sales figures

Prada took 18 months to reach 1 million in sales. Was it successful ? Many things are used to measure success, profitability being one. I don't know how profitable it was. Some people consider the XBox a success, but it has lost over four billion USD.

I've never seen a Prada in the wild because I live in the US and it was never officially sold here.

Was it the first all touchscreen phone ? Depends. Apple announced the iPhone less than two weeks before the Prada was announced. Prada beat them to market. Apple has iPhone prototypes from 2005.

I've got a flight to catch. Have a good day.

 

[Technarchy]

If Samsung spent more time inventing their own stuff instead of abusing their partner relationship with Apple then maybe this problem wouldn't exist to begin with.

 

[NinjaHERO]

The sooner these battles end the better it will be for us all.

 

[crisss1205]

The S3 is considered a competitor to the iPhone 4s and not the iPhone 5.

It came out in May. Not anytime close to the timeline of the iPhone 5.

OP said it blew iPhone 5 out of the water. The iPhone 5 is closer to the SIII than the iPhone 4S.