Samsung Note 8

[JaySoul]

Have to admit I've gotten totally used to the FPS on my S8.

But if it were Note 8 sized, that would potentially get a bit frustrating.

 

[epicrayban]

Have to admit I've gotten totally used to the FPS on my S8.

But if it were Note 8 sized, that would potentially get a bit frustrating.

Exactly. On the S8, when I hold mine in either hand, my index fingers are not even a full inch away from the FPS. But Samsung needs to offer a better location particularly for their larger phones.

I don't think a solution will come until 2018. Either they'll sort out the FPS under the display and bring it back to the front, or they'll redesign their internals to fit the FPS lower and central. Then the Note 9 will follow suit.

Or they'll just leave it the where it is! Who knows.

 

[epicrayban]

August 23rd, official unveiling of the Note 8.

Samsung moving fast...

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

August 23rd, official unveiling of the Note 8.

Samsung moving fast...

Good I'm impatient. I'm most interested in the Duel cameras and S-Pen improvements.

 

[mclld]

Big fail if the battery is even smaller like I read online earlier

 

[PerfectDB]

Big fail if the battery is even smaller like I read online earlier

It seems so. Disappointing, but I guess Samsung wants to play it safe after last year.

 

[admob71]

Am I the only one who never used the FPS? , just the normal Pattern code is good enough for me...

 

[tbayrgs]

August 23rd, official unveiling of the Note 8.

Samsung moving fast...

And thus another Note using a nearly 1 year old version of Android at launch, all in the name of Samsung’s need (or perceived need) that they must launch before the iPhone.

 

[JaySoul]

Am I the only one who never used the FPS? , just the normal Pattern code is good enough for me...

On my S8 the facial recognition is so brilliant in daytime, then at night I use fingerprint sensor or PIN.

I have very little frustration. If anything, my S4, S6 Edge and S7 Edge were a LOT more frustrating with their hit/miss fingerprint sensors!

 

[admob71]

On my S8 the facial recognition is so brilliant in daytime, then at night I use fingerprint sensor or PIN.

I have very little frustration. If anything, my S4, S6 Edge and S7 Edge were a LOT more frustrating with their hit/miss fingerprint sensors!

Edit... just set the fps up, jeez, it's amazing.. a fraction of a second and it's on. What have I been doing all this time... it's a s6 edge plus btw

 

[epicrayban]

And thus another Note using a nearly 1 year old version of Android at launch, all in the name of Samsung’s need (or perceived need) that they must launch before the iPhone.

I don't think it's a big deal, but I hear ya.
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On my S8 the facial recognition is so brilliant in daytime, then at night I use fingerprint sensor or PIN.

Exactly this.

The facial unlock still feels like magic to me.
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Edit... just set the fps up, jeez, it's amazing.. a fraction of a second and it's on. What have I been doing all this time... it's a s6 edge plus btw

The FPS sensor itself is fantastic, and on the S8, it's not a problem to reach.

On the Note 8 however... it'll be near impossible without major hand shifting. Samsung should try and figure a better solution next year.

 

[spinedoc77]

And thus another Note using a nearly 1 year old version of Android at launch, all in the name of Samsung’s need (or perceived need) that they must launch before the iPhone.

Yep, and another 8 month wait for Android O.

 

[Tsepz]

I am excited for this beast, BUT, the number 1 feature that I am curious about is the Battery, I get the feeling Samsung will just throw in the same 3500mAh one from the S8+, which is good for an S model, but I mean even the S7 Edge rocked a 3600mAh juicer, I hope Samsung up their game here and put in at least a 3700mAh battery, I'd prefer 4000mAh but at least 3700mAh would show they are serious.

None of that "we've made the chip and software more efficient crap" to excuse a puny battery. Yes, make the chip and software more efficient and then top that off with a nice big battery.

Huawei Mate 7, Mate 8 and Mate 9 owners are still raving about how great their battery life is on those devices, and I am playing with the idea of dropping Samsung for them or Apple, if Samsung continue to cheap out on batteries.

 

[Tsepz]

Edit... just set the fps up, jeez, it's amazing.. a fraction of a second and it's on. What have I been doing all this time... it's a s6 edge plus btw

Yep.

IMO, Samsung got the FPS correct from the S6 and up, before that they had that subpar Swipe sensor that was decent (usable) but far behind competitors.

I am very happy with the FPS on my S7 Edge, it works very well.

 

[AppleRobert]

Yep, and another 8 month wait for Android O.

I have not even updated my Pixel for trying Android O, is it really a big deal update?

I have not researched much to be honest, just some yt videos but those left me cold.
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[admob71]

Yep, and another 8 month wait for Android O.

This obsession with updates is redic, Samsung are rolling out very regular security updates, that's the main thing. Most of Android is updated through the play store anyways...

 

[spinedoc77]

This obsession with updates is redic, Samsung are rolling out very regular security updates, that's the main thing. Most of Android is updated through the play store anyways...

What obsession? I just want the latest OS on my phone. Even if it's a couple of months afterwards I'm ok, but not 8 months which is a ridiculous time frame.

 

[nviz22]

This obsession with updates is redic, Samsung are rolling out very regular security updates, that's the main thing. Most of Android is updated through the play store anyways...

Can't blame people for that. With the frequent Android security issues, it requires monthly patches similarly akin to Windows. If an HP device received a Windows update 8 months later than a Dell device, isn't that concerning? Imagine Windows 10 in that light. People were furious about losing the start menu button on Windows 8 before 8.1 brought it back in some facet.

Now, to put it into better context, some Android features increase longevity. Project Volta and other battery life software enhancements made up for battery degradation because they deplete over time. Before Lollipop, Android was even more problematic. Refinements are also important to the user experience. I am not saying Android O isn't as groundbreaking as other software updates, but it's important to get device support right. HTC was the standard bearer for OEMs when they self-imposed timeframes. Samsung is notoriously slow and even made a commitment to serve its unlocked models better.

Since the regular S8/S8+ MSRP is priced as a flagship, there are certain expectations that come with the phone. Software not lagging out of the box or in the first month is one of those expectations. When people see Apple offering device continuity and tremendous support, they could understand that Apple charges a premium while offering award winning customer service and reliable device support.

Samsung is head and shoulders ahead of its competitors in hardware, but can be very mediocre with software efficiency and support. If I wanted just one major software update at best, I might as well spend my $ on a Moto or OnePlus device. What's the point of extra features if a phone inevitably bogs down and lags? Samsung burned a lot of bridges with the Note 7 fiasco. Now, they're burning additional bridges with untimely/infrequent software updates after making a commitment. Let's not forget they could be cheating people out of their devices during device trade in promotions as well.

You cannot fault people for sticking towards other competitors because Samsung offers too much baggage for what device features and software features it has. With HTC, I know that I have cleaner software with Sense. With iPhone, I know I can use my device for two years with constant software support.

I cannot recommend Samsung to many people at this point.

 

[Michael Goff]

Can't blame people for that. With the frequent Android security issues, it requires monthly patches similarly akin to Windows. If an HP device received a Windows update 8 months later than a Dell device, isn't that concerning? Imagine Windows 10 in that light. People were furious about losing the start menu button on Windows 8 before 8.1 brought it back in some facet.

Now, to put it into better context, some Android features increase longevity. Project Volta and other battery life software enhancements made up for battery degradation because they deplete over time. Before Lollipop, Android was even more problematic. Refinements are also important to the user experience. I am not saying Android O isn't as groundbreaking as other software updates, but it's important to get device support right. HTC was the standard bearer for OEMs when they self-imposed timeframes. Samsung is notoriously slow and even made a commitment to serve its unlocked models better.

Since the regular S8/S8+ MSRP is priced as a flagship, there are certain expectations that come with the phone. Software not lagging out of the box or in the first month is one of those expectations. When people see Apple offering device continuity and tremendous support, they could understand that Apple charges a premium while offering award winning customer service and reliable device support.

Samsung is head and shoulders ahead of its competitors in hardware, but can be very mediocre with software efficiency and support. If I wanted just one major software update at best, I might as well spend my $ on a Moto or OnePlus device. What's the point of extra features if a phone inevitably bogs down and lags? Samsung burned a lot of bridges with the Note 7 fiasco. Now, they're burning additional bridges with untimely/infrequent software updates after making a commitment. Let's not forget they could be cheating people out of their devices during device trade in promotions as well.

You cannot fault people for sticking towards other competitors because Samsung offers too much baggage for what device features and software features it has. With HTC, I know that I have cleaner software with Sense. With iPhone, I know I can use my device for two years with constant software support.

I cannot recommend Samsung to many people at this point.

Not everyone gets the bug Windows 10 updates at the same time. It can be as much as 3-4 months apart.

 

[nviz22]

Not everyone gets the bug Windows 10 updates at the same time. It can be as much as 3-4 months apart.

I meant in general. There is more cohesiveness between Windows devices than Android. Google can only be blamed so much for Android. Moto, Samsung, HTC, Sony, and LG all have different update timetables. Samsung just exacerbates the update issue further, especially with false promises.

 

[Michael Goff]

I meant in general. There is more cohesiveness between Windows devices than Android. Google can only be blamed so much for Android. Moto, Samsung, HTC, Sony, and LG all have different update timetables. Samsung just exacerbates the update issue further, especially with false promises.

And I’m saying the update situation with Windows 10 (Windows as a Service) is dropping in coherency of updates.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Can't blame people for that. With the frequent Android security issues, it requires monthly patches similarly akin to Windows. If an HP device received a Windows update 8 months later than a Dell device, isn't that concerning? Imagine Windows 10 in that light. People were furious about losing the start menu button on Windows 8 before 8.1 brought it back in some facet.

Now, to put it into better context, some Android features increase longevity. Project Volta and other battery life software enhancements made up for battery degradation because they deplete over time. Before Lollipop, Android was even more problematic. Refinements are also important to the user experience. I am not saying Android O isn't as groundbreaking as other software updates, but it's important to get device support right. HTC was the standard bearer for OEMs when they self-imposed timeframes. Samsung is notoriously slow and even made a commitment to serve its unlocked models better.

Since the regular S8/S8+ MSRP is priced as a flagship, there are certain expectations that come with the phone. Software not lagging out of the box or in the first month is one of those expectations. When people see Apple offering device continuity and tremendous support, they could understand that Apple charges a premium while offering award winning customer service and reliable device support.

Samsung is head and shoulders ahead of its competitors in hardware, but can be very mediocre with software efficiency and support. If I wanted just one major software update at best, I might as well spend my $ on a Moto or OnePlus device. What's the point of extra features if a phone inevitably bogs down and lags? Samsung burned a lot of bridges with the Note 7 fiasco. Now, they're burning additional bridges with untimely/infrequent software updates after making a commitment. Let's not forget they could be cheating people out of their devices during device trade in promotions as well.

You cannot fault people for sticking towards other competitors because Samsung offers too much baggage for what device features and software features it has. With HTC, I know that I have cleaner software with Sense. With iPhone, I know I can use my device for two years with constant software support.

I cannot recommend Samsung to many people at this point.

I think software updates on android are a moot point. It is what it is. It's nothing new and it's been going on for years. I think those that actually care about software updates being timely either have agreed to wait or are buying Apple devices. The majority of people that buy android devices don't even know what version of the software it's running and don't care if it gets updated. The majority of android users in the world are probably on lollipop or even kit Kat.

 

[spriter]

The majority of android users in the world are probably on lollipop or even kit Kat.

I agree with that but most of those devices probably aren't flagship-grade that cost north of $800/£800.

2-3 months is a reasonable timeframe for a goliath like Samsung to get their house in order. It's not like the whole industry is lagging 8-months behind the Pixel/Nexus.

 

[nviz22]

I think software updates on android are a moot point. It is what it is. It's nothing new and it's been going on for years. I think those that actually care about software updates being timely either have agreed to wait or are buying Apple devices. The majority of people that buy android devices don't even know what version of the software it's running and don't care if it gets updated. The majority of android users in the world are probably on lollipop or even kit Kat.

But at the same time, Samsung wouldn't release a statement if nobody complained about timely updates. They recognized their flaws and continue to release late updates.

 

[Technarchy]

Have to admit I've gotten totally used to the FPS on my S8.

But if it were Note 8 sized, that would potentially get a bit frustrating.

I have an S8+ and I'm fully acclimated to using the FPS at this point. I don't see it as an inconvenience. It just works, for all intents, and I've gotten the feel and finger placement down to unlocking on my first attempt 90% of the time.