Samsung Ordered to Pay Apple $539 Million in iPhone Design Patent Retrial

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    The latest Samsung v. Apple trial wrapped up this afternoon after the jury decided that Samsung must pay Apple a total of $539 million for violating Apple's design patents with five android devices sold between 2010 and 2011, reports CNET.

    A total of $533,316,606 was awarded to Apple for Samsung's violation of three design patents, while the remaining $5,325,050 was for Samsung's infringement on two of Apple's utility patents.


    Samsung and Apple were back in court to redetermined damages after Samsung appealed to the Supreme Court and said that the original damages award, which was set at $399 million after several appeals, was a "disproportionate" sum for the design violation.

    The Supreme Court ordered the U.S. Court of Appeals to redetermine the damages amount, leading to today's victory for Apple.

    The core issue of the retrial was whether the damages should be based on the total value of the iPhone or if Samsung's fee should be based on just the elements of the iPhone that it copied.


    Apple argued that its payment should be based on the full value of the iPhone, while Samsung argued that it should pay a lesser amount. They're seeking profits on the entire phone," argued Samsung lawyer John Quinn. "Apple's design patents do not cover the entire phone. They are entitled to profits only on [infringing] components, not the entire phone."

    Apple asked the jury to award $1 billion in damages, while Samsung asked jurors to limit the damages to $28 million. Unfortunately for Samsung, the jury sided with Apple, and the new award is more than Samsung would have had to pay had the retrial not happened.

    In a statement, Apple had this to say: "It is a fact that Samsung blatantly copied our design. We're grateful to the jury for their service and pleased they agree that Samsung should pay for copying our products.

    Update: Samsung also gave a statement on the verdict: "Today's decision flies in the face of a unanimous Supreme Court ruling in favor of Samsung on the scope of design patent damages. We will consider all options to obtain an outcome that does not hinder creativity."

    Article Link: Samsung Ordered to Pay Apple $539 Million in iPhone Design Patent Retrial
  2. CerebralX macrumors 6502


    Jun 28, 2013
    Looking for a place of freedom and rationality
    At last the dust settles...for half a billion less....but settled none the least.
  3. longofest Editor emeritus


    Jul 10, 2003
    Falls Church, VA
    As long as this back and forth has been going on though, I feel like that is just paying legal fees.
  4. Seth707 macrumors newbie

    Jul 28, 2014
  5. Winter Charm macrumors 6502a

    Winter Charm

    Jul 31, 2008
    Half a Billion is a significant slap on the wrist. This came to a satisfying conclusion.
  6. DocMultimedia macrumors 6502a


    Sep 8, 2012
    Charlottesville, VA
    And another appeal on grounds of yada will be filed in 3...2...1...
  7. Slippery Gimp macrumors regular

    Aug 2, 2008
    Leeds, UK
    I remember back in the day picking up a colleagues Samsung Galaxy (I think that’s the model it was) and thinking it was an iPhone 3G, even being amazed how similar the icon layout was. To say they didn’t copy any of it is a bit of a lie.
  8. seatton macrumors 6502a


    Nov 7, 2013
    Seattle, WA
    Samsung likes to copy Apple... however, they are still smart enough not to copy Siri... :D
  9. mariusignorello macrumors 68000

    Jun 9, 2013
    About time. Now let’s all get ready for WWDC!
  10. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020


    Jun 12, 2015
    Pay it and end this circus. Can't believe Apple got away with owning rounded corners.
  11. Vanilla35 macrumors 68040


    Apr 11, 2013
    Washington D.C.
    Still worth, to their eyes.
  12. Plutonius macrumors 604


    Feb 22, 2003
    New Hampshire, USA
    Pretty much the results I thought would happen. Apple wanted 1 billion and Samsung wanted 28 million, so I thought they would average it out and come up with a $500 million award.

    I doubt that Samsung will pay and that they will appeal the ruling.
  13. usersince86 macrumors 6502


    Oct 24, 2002
    Columbus, Ohio
    Obviously this was never about money for Apple or Samsung, but is/will be good news for people owning what they "create." Apple copies, too, and should also pay when they blatantly steal from others.
  14. bladerunner2000 macrumors 68020


    Jun 12, 2015
    Remember that time when Apple didn't just steal an idea, but claimed it as their own? I do:

    1 year earlier showing tech from the 80s:

  15. rjohnstone macrumors 68040


    Dec 28, 2007
    PHX, AZ.
    They already paid it... they wanted a refund.
    Instead they got a bill for a few million more.

    Apple only won because their lawyers managed to get some key prior art tossed out.
    Every other country where prior art was allowed in, Apple lost.

    Let's hope this is the end of it.

    As a side note, I'm sure Qualcomm is loving the outcome. If something as frivolous as rounded corners and icon layout can warrant this kind of cash, imagine what a crucial piece of tech should garner.
  16. Analog Kid macrumors 601

    Analog Kid

    Mar 4, 2003
  17. -BigMac- macrumors 68000


    Apr 15, 2011
    Melbourne, Australia
    HAHHAHA Samsung should retrial again, so it goes even higher:D
  18. Mizouse macrumors regular

    Nov 5, 2014
  19. now i see it macrumors 68040

    Jan 2, 2002
    That's not what they're telling Qualcomm
  20. apolloa macrumors G4

    Oct 21, 2008
    Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
  21. C DM, May 24, 2018
    Last edited: May 24, 2018

    C DM macrumors Sandy Bridge

    Oct 17, 2011
  22. wbeasley macrumors 6502


    Nov 23, 2007
    “We will consider all options to obtain an outcome that does not hinder creativity."

    How about not copying? Blatantly.

    Yes all phones now look and act much the same. But back when this started Samsung went from one design to an almost exact copy. They do it in other industries too. That’s how they operate. Apple kept at them when most companies give up.
  23. grkm3 macrumors 6502a

    Feb 12, 2013
    Apple argued that the payment should be of the whole value of the device?

    They are such hypocrites as they are trying to do exactly what samsung did with Qualcomm.
  24. tito2020 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 16, 2011
    petty cash for sammy if you see there twice as big as apple
    --- Post Merged, May 24, 2018 ---
    qualcomm vs apple is next i have the popcorn ready.
  25. RedTomato macrumors 601


    Mar 4, 2005
    .. London ..
    I understand it’s a terrible thing Samsung did, but isn’t the award a bit high? Five trillion dollars is quite a lot for two patents, it’s several weeks of Apple’s entire operating revenue. They must be patents for anti-gravity or money-printing machines.


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