Samsung Ordered to Pay Apple $539 Million in iPhone Design Patent Retrial

[LuckyBubba]

Back in the day it was so obvious that samsung copied apple - if you look at ever samsung design at the time, everything had square corners and flat sides - apple was the only company to soften corners and edges while everyone else created boxes. Layout was a problem too, although some people would feel the icons more closely resembled restaurant touch screens, so apple didn't have the patent on that aspect.

 

[Zwhaler]

Ooh burn! I think it's a fair price to pay given just how much Apple paved the way for Samsung's smartphone business.

 

[Glideslope]

Nothing like ignoring prior art in these ‘only in America’ cases..

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No doubt Samsung will appeal and around it goes again.

Nope. It's over. Guaranteed.

 

[campyguy]

As a business owner who's been in court over IP issues in the past several times (and always prevailed!) I can only imagine that just the interest payment alone is going to sting. In the 4 states I've prevailed in it's 9% simple interest - "sting" is a bit of a mild way of putting it, maybe more of a stomp to the face with a cold, wet and muddy boot?

 

[charlesdayton]

Samsung likes to copy Apple... however, they are still smart enough not to copy Siri...

Siri is a genius compared to Bixby. Android users hate Bixby more than iPhone users hate Siri. Samsung should stick to Google Assistant.

 

[btrach144]

That really didn't work out for Samsung. They need to admit they were in the wrong, pay the sum, and move on.

 

[mi7chy]

Wow! Half a billion for rectangle with rounded corners. I think that's why Apple want to get into the car business so they can patent and sue other auto manufacturers for rectangle on wheels for much more $$$.

 

[H.E. Pennypacker]

I’m not a samsung fan. I have always used Apple products, but I find it quite pathetic that Apple fans cheer for this kind of stuff. Who really cares? It didn't affect the consumer and Apple is still almost a trillion dollar company. People need to move on with their lives it’s really a sad world for those people.

 

[halluxsinister]

The latest Samsung v. Apple trial wrapped up this afternoon after the jury decided that Samsung must pay Apple a total of $539 million for violating Apple's design patents with five android devices sold between 2010 and 2011, reports CNET.

A total of $533,316,606 was awarded to Apple for Samsung's violation of three design patents, while the remaining $5,325,050 million was for Samsung's infringement on two of Apple's utility patents.

Samsung and Apple were back in court to redetermined damages after Samsung appealed to the Supreme Court and said that the original damages award, which was set at $399 million after several appeals, was a "disproportionate" sum for the design violation.

The Supreme Court ordered the U.S. Court of Appeals to redetermine the damages amount, leading to today's victory for Apple.

The core issue of the retrial was whether the damages should be based on the total value of the iPhone or if Samsung's fee should be based on just the elements of the iPhone that it copied.

Apple argued that its payment should be based on the full value of the iPhone, while Samsung argued that it should pay a lesser amount. They're seeking profits on the entire phone," argued Samsung lawyer John Quinn. "Apple's design patents do not cover the entire phone. They are entitled to profits only on [infringing] components, not the entire phone."

Apple asked the jury to award $1 billion in damages, while Samsung asked jurors to limit the damages to $28 million. Unfortunately for Samsung, the jury sided with Apple, and the new award is more than Samsung would have had to pay had the retrial not happened.

In a statement, Apple had this to say: "It is a fact that Samsung blatantly copied our design. We're grateful to the jury for their service and pleased they agree that Samsung should pay for copying our products.

Update: Samsung also gave a statement on the verdict: "Today's decision flies in the face of a unanimous Supreme Court ruling in favor of Samsung on the scope of design patent damages. We will consider all options to obtain an outcome that does not hinder creativity."

Article Link: Samsung Ordered to Pay Apple $539 Million in iPhone Design Patent Retrial

But... but... but... I thought Samsung products weren’t deemed to be “cool” enough to be mistaken for ooo... ahhh... @~#>* Apple *<#~@ products! What gives?

 

[mi7chy]

Nope. It's over. Guaranteed.

Wrong. The final judge is my wallet and it says this verdict is anti-consumerism. If I want a mediocre Chinese made phone I'd buy direct from China without the middle-man markup.

Actually, a lot of smart consumers are already buying direct from Aliexpress, DealExtreme, Banggood, etc. for their electronic needs. Just bought some good UBEC DC-DC converters direct from Aliexpress for dirt cheap without the middle-man markup and it arrived in under two weeks from overseas.

 

[jstorm01]

I always thought Samsung 30 pin connector were very similar to apples 30 pin connector.

 

[DCJ001]

“the remaining $5,325,050 million was for Samsung's infringement on two of Apple's utility patents.“

Apparently, Juli Clover is confused with regard to numbers.

$5.3 trillion?

 

[C DM]

Wrong. The final judge is my wallet and it says this verdict is anti-consumerism. If I want a mediocre Chinese made phone I'd buy from China without the middle-man markup.

Good luck.
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“the remaining $5,325,050 million was for Samsung's infringement on two of Apple's utility patents.“

Apparently, Juli Clover is confused with regard to numbers.

$5.3 trillion?

Or, you know, a simple mistake that pretty much any writer can make.

 

[genovelle]

Pay it and end this circus. Can't believe Apple got away with owning rounded corners.

Their phones copied the IPhone down to the shape, style, and appearance of the app icons. There are hundreds of other smart phones that have competed but didn’t infringe so it can be and was being done. Including by Samsung. When that wasn’t working the studied and copied the IPhone and documented it every step of the way. They point blank stole their work to compete against them and then dragged it out in court.

 

[pappy53]

petty cash for sammy if you see there twice as big as apple
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qualcomm vs apple is next i have the popcorn ready.

Might be twice as big as Apple, but not worth anyways as much.

 

[usarioclave]

The jury apparently realized that the penalty for infringing the patent needs to be based in some way on the actual price of the device, because if there was no benefit to the infringement then why bother infringing.

The question is how much weight should be given to each violation? I doubt there was a coherent standard set there, but the jury did believe that one patent was much more important than the other two.

If this is a disturbing result for patent infringers, that's good. It'll be that much more difficult to cost out intentional infringement, which is what Samsung did in this case.

 

[macfacts]

At last the dust settles...for half a billion less....but settled none the least.

This is just the beginning. This ruling basically said design patents are way more valuable than utility patents by a lot. Expect a new bread of patent trolls that will own all the shapes you can imagine.

 

[rafark]

Sam-sung should halt the production of their screens to Apple.

 

[69650]

Shock horror, biased California jury sides with California company against foreigners. Is this supposed to be justice?

 

[macfacts]

I remember back in the day picking up a colleagues Samsung Galaxy (I think that’s the model it was) and thinking it was an iPhone 3G, even being amazed how similar the icon layout was. To say they didn’t copy any of it is a bit of a lie.

This last appeal wasn't about denying copying. It was about how much Samsung should pay for copying something protected by a design patent. Apparently a shape is worth more (by 500x according to this case) than science and technology.

 

[69650]

Apple copied the PalmPilot and Compaq iPaq.

 

[Mirice99]

Hopefully Samsung continues to fight this and refuses to pay just like Apple continues to fight VirneTx and the half a billion they are owed by Apple for all the patents they stole.
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That really didn't work out for Samsung. They need to admit they were in the wrong, pay the sum, and move on.

Just like Apple should with VirneTx?

 

[kildraik]

I would adore if they filed for an appeal or whatever is a next step, and get slapped with $1bn. Enough is enough... Samsung nit-picks about infringing on parts of the phone, but when the case first started, it looked like a blatant copy. Nothing Apple’s internal legal team can’t handle.

 

[Chabba]

$5,325,050 million

That’s a lot of money.

 

[Kagio]

Finding some tires in the airplain used for landing doesnt mean airplanes copied cars you sad people...”technically” yeah; but again: sad of you.

You can all claim whatever hater argument against Apple yo want, juuust showing your overall dissapointment of them.. but

This post made me feel: “Suck it Samsung, you take that b...”

I think at the bottom we all know Samsung is ***** in its behavior (their adds are always attacking/referring Apple). And we know they did copied A LOT.

Dont give ***** “palm” stuff you haters.. if it was “the same” or such an obvious copy to make from palm.. how come Apple did it first and then came the wave???

I repeat:

Finding some tires in the airplain used for landing doesnt mean airplanes copied cars you sad people...”technically” yeah; but again: sad of you.