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[Kcetech1]

You did as Mac has lower tco than windows. It may be unacceptable to you but since Mac sales are up it seems it acceptable to the customers.

this is something I actually question, I started moving a bunch of my video editing production to PC workstations ( desktop and laptop ) beginning in late 2011. my TCO over 5 years has been FAR lower in a 5 year span and not in Apples favor.

Since Tax season is over and in my line of work I track that kind of thing I can give you some examples.

I purchased a 2011 Elitebook 8740W workstation laptop, total cost plus upgrades since then $5211.63. I have had a total of 114 hours downtime ( machine not accessible to be used ) my repair costs have been $0.00 as HP, Dell and Lenovo offer 5 years of NBD onsite support with accidental warranty, 17 hours of my downtime was me shattering a very expensive Dreamcolor 2 screen, most of the rest was downtime for upgrades and updates.

now not a single one of my 15" rMBPs since 2011 has made less than 2 trips into the Apple store ( including 4 2016's I took back and currently have none of in use, and my 5 2015's ). now at roughly $4K a pop plus now an average of 5 trips per unit ( I have had a total of 16 units as I rotate equipment fast normally ) that is 3 hours of drive time plus fuel etc which basically equates an entire lost production day. ( 293kms @ .50 + 8 hours @ my billing time for projects ) x 5 = SUBSTANCIALLY more than that PC workstation for the extra $1200, which is also far more productive .... for gods sake its 6 years old now and still on my production kit.

I can go on and on and DONT get me started on my Mac Pro's blowing GPU's etc and being 1/4 as productive as my big boys.

In my line of work the TCO for a good 5 year workstation that can be upgraded is roughly 1/3 that of my Apple kit at this point in time. I can ask jjjoseph here on MR who handles gear in a major VFX house and I believe he said his was about 25%

as for the productivity side .... my 2011 laptop up there kicks my 2013 nMP's ass around in VFX, a lot of my render and 3D work. on average I would say I can now bang out a better product in about half the time.

and YES I am one of those overly vocal ones about the lack of pro support on the MP's etc.

 

[Abazigal]

Paying almost double of what a product costs is milking.

You better not buy any coffee outdoors then.

I suppose to you, everything else which goes into making a product possible beyond the cost of raw parts comes for free.

 

[I7guy]

this is something I actually question, I started moving a bunch of my video editing production to PC workstations ( desktop and laptop ) beginning in late 2011. my TCO over 5 years has been FAR lower in a 5 year span and not in Apples favor.

Since Tax season is over and in my line of work I track that kind of thing I can give you some examples.

I purchased a 2011 Elitebook 8740W workstation laptop, total cost plus upgrades since then $5211.63. I have had a total of 114 hours downtime ( machine not accessible to be used ) my repair costs have been $0.00 as HP, Dell and Lenovo offer 5 years of NBD onsite support with accidental warranty, 17 hours of my downtime was me shattering a very expensive Dreamcolor 2 screen, most of the rest was downtime for upgrades and updates.

now not a single one of my 15" rMBPs since 2011 has made less than 2 trips into the Apple store ( including 4 2016's I took back and currently have none of in use, and my 5 2015's ). now at roughly $4K a pop plus now an average of 5 trips per unit ( I have had a total of 16 units as I rotate equipment fast normally ) that is 3 hours of drive time plus fuel etc which basically equates an entire lost production day. ( 293kms @ .50 + 8 hours @ my billing time for projects ) x 5 = SUBSTANCIALLY more than that PC workstation for the extra $1200, which is also far more productive .... for gods sake its 6 years old now and still on my production kit.

I can go on and on and DONT get me started on my Mac Pro's blowing GPU's etc and being 1/4 as productive as my big boys.

In my line of work the TCO for a good 5 year workstation that can be upgraded is roughly 1/3 that of my Apple kit at this point in time. I can ask jjjoseph here on MR who handles gear in a major VFX house and I believe he said his was about 25%

as for the productivity side .... my 2011 laptop up there kicks my 2013 nMP's ass around in VFX, a lot of my render and 3D work. on average I would say I can now bang out a better product in about half the time.

and YES I am one of those overly vocal ones about the lack of pro support on the MP's etc.

I'm only reporting this is what IBM is doing and this is what they found. They are getting rid of windows for MAC. Your experience doesn't seem to align with their study and actions.

As a side note, I built my windows desktop machine on core i7 bloomfield with vista. I since updated to a 980. Primary o/s is windows 7, not upgraded to windows 10. It's the original build and it serves my purposes. There are two macbook air pros in the house that are a joy to use due to the thinness, lightness and battery life. If my desktop goes south I can replace anything, not so much on my current laptops windows or mac.
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Paying almost double of what a product costs is milking.

Well millions are doing just that. Are you going to tell people how to spend their money?

So far what you are saying is defying reality. The Galaxy S8 has smashed the preorder records set by the S7 and is on its way to becoming Samsung's most successful model till date. Doesn't seem like the Note 7 is having any impact on the S8 sales

Are you saying it's not hard to "smash" the s7 sales. They were abysmal. But again, nothing like cart before horse.

Don't even know what tco is

It's a very common term, you could look it up and it's an important metric.

However what I do know is that a 5000 Mac lost in benchmarks to a 2K PC in creativity benchmarks. And when computers are reviewed benchmarks are a staple.

Tell that to IBM.

Congratulations to Apple for increasing Mac sales from 30 to 40.
Paying almost double of what a product costs is milking.

Hyperbole.

 

[huperniketes]

Paying almost double of what a product costs is milking.

50% margin isn't milking customers. Selling year-old tech (and older) at new tech prices is.

 

[Abazigal]

50% margin isn't milking customers. Selling year-old tech (and older) at new tech prices is.

I give you two scenarios.

A) You get the latest hardware money can buy.

B) You get year-old hardware, but the integration between hardware, software and services is so tight-knit that it gives you better performance than option (A) for the tasks that you need it to do (like video editing).

Which do you get?

Specs are the means. User experience is the end. Never lose sight of which is truly more important.

 

[I7guy]

I give you two scenarios.

A) You get the latest hardware money can buy.

B) You get year-old hardware, but the integration between hardware, software and services is so tight-knit that it gives you better performance than option (A) for the tasks that you need it to do (like video editing).

Which do you get?

Specs are the means. User experience is the end. Never lose sight of which is truly more important.

You can't speak for anybody else, only yourself. If a fly on the wall were reading these forums, the fly would deduce there are two types of buyers; those who buy on specs and those who buy on experience. Nothing wrong with either, just don't tell me "I'm not buying it right".

 

[Radon87000]

I give you two scenarios.

A) You get the latest hardware money can buy.

B) You get year-old hardware, but the integration between hardware, software and services is so tight-knit that it gives you better performance than option (A) for the tasks that you need it to do (like video editing).

Which do you get?

Specs are the means. User experience is the end. Never lose sight of which is truly more important.

And I suppose an LCD is a good user experience?

 

[I7guy]

And I suppose an LCD is a good user experience?

Yes, very good.

 

[huperniketes]

I give you two scenarios.

A) You get the latest hardware money can buy.

B) You get year-old hardware, but the integration between hardware, software and services is so tight-knit that it gives you better performance than option (A) for the tasks that you need it to do (like video editing).

Which do you get?

With Apple, you get neither. For decades now, operating systems have been designed to isolate sophisticated user interface software from dependencies on hardware so either can be changed while minimizing effects on the other. Yet in every major macOS release it seems Apple somehow manages to muff up WiFi, Time Machine and other software and services, even on hardware at least 2 years old.

Tight-knit implies there's seamless integration. Smooth functionality and an experience without gaps or missteps. iCloud. iWork. iTunes. Photos. Time Machine. Final Cut X. OS releases that break software and services that used to work...on the same old hardware, no less!

Apple doesn't provide better performance, nor a tight-knit user experience. Those days are gone. You're clinging to a memory. An ideology that's inconsistent with Apple's current economic model.

Specs are the means. User experience is the end. Never lose sight of which is truly more important.

Apple sees continued declining sales of new phones and tablets; and a surge in sales of discontinued MBPs. Guess which of us lost sight of what's truly important.

 

[I7guy]

With Apple, you get neither. For decades now, operating systems have been designed to isolate sophisticated user interface software from dependencies on hardware so either can be changed while minimizing effects on the other. Yet in every major macOS release it seems Apple somehow manages to muff up WiFi, Time Machine and other software and services, even on hardware at least 2 years old.

Tight-knit implies there's seamless integration. Smooth functionality and an experience without gaps or missteps. iCloud. iWork. iTunes. Photos. Time Machine. Final Cut X. OS releases that break software and services that used to work...on the same old hardware, no less!

Apple doesn't provide better performance, nor a tight-knit user experience. Those days are gone. You're clinging to a memory. An ideology that's inconsistent with Apple's current economic model.



Apple sees continued declining sales of new phones and tablets; and a surge in sales of discontinued MBPs. Guess which of us lost sight of what's truly important.

iCloud, iTunes, photos, what's the issue? No problems on my MacBook air pro or iPhone or iTunes.

As far as declining sales is that why Apple had a blockbuster last quarter and a just a very good last quarter with Mac sales being up? I'm wondering based on revenue who it is that thinks Apple has lost sight of what's truly important.

 

[huperniketes]

iCloud, iTunes, photos, what's the issue? No problems on my MacBook air pro or iPhone or iTunes.

Cuz nobody matters in this world but you, right?

As far as declining sales is that why Apple had a blockbuster last quarter and a just a very good last quarter with Mac sales being up? I'm wondering based on revenue who it is that thinks Apple has lost sight of what's truly important.

Here are actual numbers from last reported quarter:

Apple sold 50.8 million iPhones during the quarter, down slightly from 51.1 million a year earlier, while Mac sales rose slightly to 4.20 million units from 4.03 million units in the year-ago quarter. iPad sales continued to decline, falling to 8.92 million from 10.25 million.

So Apple reported decreases in unit sales for iPhones and iPads. Mac sales are up, but they're not broken down by model. So it's not possible to say which models saw a decrease in sales Y-O-Y, if any. But since Apple took the unusual step of holding a meeting with journalists, on the record, to announce it was redesigning the Mac Pro, and higher powered iMacs would ship this year that the numbers must have failed internal projections. It's worth noting the 2015 MBP models are still sold by Apple, and reports are that those units saw increased sales.

So if numbers are down, how did Apple report revenue growth ($, not units sold) of $2.3B? Well, the iPhones are actually more expensive this year, so there wasn't a decline in $$$ even though less were sold. But the service products grew over $1 billion; more Macs sold brought in an extra $737M; and others (TV, Watch, Beats, etc.) another $684M.

So, yeah, the numbers show a shrinking userbase which is getting deeper into the Apple ecosystem. But it's still shrinking.

 

[I7guy]

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Cuz nobody matters in this world but you, right?

Or nobody cares that "a person" has issues amongst a sea of people having no issues.

Here are actual numbers from last reported quarter:



So Apple reported decreases in unit sales for iPhones and iPads. Mac sales are up, but they're not broken down by model. So it's not possible to say which models saw a decrease in sales Y-O-Y, if any. But since Apple took the unusual step of holding a meeting with journalists, on the record, to announce it was redesigning the Mac Pro, and higher powered iMacs would ship this year that the numbers must have failed internal projections. It's worth noting the 2015 MBP models are still sold by Apple, and reports are that those units saw increased sales.

So if numbers are down, how did Apple report revenue growth ($, not units sold) of $2.3B? Well, the iPhones are actually more expensive this year, so there wasn't a decline in $$$ even though less were sold. But the service products grew over $1 billion; more Macs sold brought in an extra $737M; and others (TV, Watch, Beats, etc.) another $684M.

So, yeah, the numbers show a shrinking userbase which is getting deeper into the Apple ecosystem. But it's still shrinking.

1Q they sold 78 million iphones with a record breaking quarter, ahead of the 6s. So this "decline" is not really a decline as they are ahead of the game. https://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/q1fy17datasum.pdf And it's true they aren't breaking it up by model, so one doesn't know what sold what. But taking the fiscal ytd into account, they are doing well.

A "shrinking user base" aka market share is less important than the $74 billion 1st quarter and the $52 billion this quarter. But it's true no one knows what the future holds for anybody.

 

[Abazigal]

Tight-knit implies there's seamless integration. Smooth functionality and an experience without gaps or missteps. iCloud. iWork. iTunes. Photos. Time Machine. Final Cut X. OS releases that break software and services that used to work...on the same old hardware, no less!

Apple doesn't provide better performance, nor a tight-knit user experience. Those days are gone. You're clinging to a memory. An ideology that's inconsistent with Apple's current economic model.

In the classroom, my iPad is mirrored to the smart board using my 3rd gen Apple TV.

I use my Apple Watch for functions such as Apple Pay, Siri for quick tasks, messaging and notifications.

AirPods switch quickly and seamlessly amongst all my Apple devices.

Airdrop lets me fling files around. I use instashare for my iMac as it doesn't support airdrop, but the process isn't as integrated.

I listen to Apple Music on my Apple TV.

My photos are synced via iCloud photo library.

Continuity allows me to make and receive calls on all my Apple devices.

Notes is simple yet effective, and syncs seamlessly.

Just the other day, I gave a presentation using Keynote on my iPhone and used my Apple Watch to control the slides.

These are things I am enjoying and benefiting right now as we speak.

It all feels pretty seamless to me.