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Could this be because of Apple diversifying their suppliers and getting more and more displays from LG/Sharp, more NAND from other vendors, etc... reducing their overall volume of semi-conductors with Samsung and thus not being eligible for volume discounts anymore ?

Occam's Razor folks...

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This. Is. What. People. Do.

I don't do that.
 
Samsung has to pay for the huge multi-billion cost of that chip fab plant in Texas, either from Apple or some other customer for their chips.

It would be ironic if Samsung could eventually sell Galaxy's in the U.S. with chips made in the U.S. while Apple had to use a foreign supplier for their A6,7,8,... idevice chips (unless they manage to get Intel or IBM to do foundry work for them).

It's possible that Exynos chips (used in Samsung phones) are already built in Austin. While Samsung has many FABs most of them are specialized on producing memory chips. Austin FAB is specializing in manufacturing logic chips (CPUs).
 
Could this be because of Apple diversifying their suppliers and getting more and more displays from LG/Sharp, more NAND from other vendors, etc... reducing their overall volume of semi-conductors with Samsung and thus not being eligible for volume discounts anymore ?

Occam's Razor folks...

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I don't do that.

I don't do that either. It certainly doesn't equate to efficient thought now does it.

But I guess we now know JAT is a robot.
 
I just wish more Americans would stand up for our country and support our own companies!! Do you know why Samsung and Korea are thriving? Have any of you been to Seoul? They have one of the most modern infrastructures of any city in the world. How can they afford such infrastructure? Who protects them militarily so they don't have to spend the % of dollars on defense like we do here. Bottom line is we spend billions of $$ to protect them. Yet they have no problem stealing our intellectual property in order to provide you with a cheaper product!! While in our own country roads and infrastructure are falling apart because so much money is directed to our military so we can protect countries like Korea Just saying

More ridiculous comments. Please think before typing.

S. Korea spends 2.7% of GDP on defense and would happily spend more if needed. This is more than the world average of 2.5%. We in the US spend over 4.7% of GDP on defense, but have public debt at 106% of GDP and S. Korea debt is 33% of GDP.

The US has an interest in S. Korea because it is one of our largest trading partners and a democracy along with Japan in east Asia. We in the US provide S. Korea a nuclear umbrella against China. If the US pulls out, then S. Korea will develop nuclear weapons, with the help of Samsung and Hyundai, and we will all be losers.

Your credibility is zero. Comments about S. Korea stealing IP is nonsense, when you were proven wrong about Samsung getting many more US Patents granted than many other companies including Microsoft.
 
This notion that everyone should work together and be happy is nice - but ultimately not how a fallen world works.

I couldn't care less about this stuff, so long as my iPhones, iPads and Macs continue to function as they currently do relative to the competition and the service I currently receive and expect continues to be exemplary.

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No - it's one question - which flavor of the three do you want. How is that three questions. Are you really going to argue that I am asking for an answer to each flavor? A computer might process logic like that. People don't. That's sort of what makes us - you know - human.

Define love. Is there a right or wrong answer?

Was the movie I saw last night good or bad. Or perhaps YOU want me to break down a list of 1000 criteria points and answer yes or no to every one and then add up which is greater?

Who thinks like that? Seriously?

You're both right. Ultimately one deciding between three flavors is a yes to one and no to the other two. While your mind consciously may operate as if its a choice between three options, at the base of that decision lies three yes or no questions.

Computers work the same way. We don't see all of the "yes/no" questions being decided at the base level - we only see the end results/queries which most of the time seem far more complex.

What makes us human is the introduction of "feelings" which influence our decision making process. The capability to feel emotion toward something is what separates the data processing of the human brain from the data processing of the world's largest supercomputer. Still doesn't negate the fact that decisions at their basest form are comprised of "yes/no" questions.
 
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With underage girls via your country's disgusting sex tourism industry?

Funny, prostitution is illegal in South Korea... u must of mistaken it with your annual trips to Thailand or Cambodia. Not that it doesn't happen in South Korea, obviously it unfortunately happens here in the states as well...
 
This...

Another thing.. Samsung been doing this for years, do you really trust another company to meet and exceed expectations in production of chips

And you think you can't get a iPhone 5 now.. Ha

Well, Apple did ditch Google to make their own maps app...
 
This. Is. What. People. Do.

They also don't seem to think about it much. I do.

About the movie....yes, that is what every person I have ever discussed a movie with does. Some go crazy with it (lighting, editing, why'd they do the credits like that, etc), others just talk about a couple things. Maybe the main 3 actors and how well they did, or a few specific scenes. If anyone says "sure, I liked it" and nothing more, it probably means your conversation got cut off because you didn't have enough time. You really think they don't have pros and cons for multiple aspects? Have you seen one of those movie review shows?

Love would take too much time. I gotta work.

Wow. You still fail to recognize that morality is not a yes or no question. Plus, not everyone weighs decisions by pros and cons or even necessarily ever comes to a decision....hence a grey area. Result: the world is not black and white. I am starting to think you are a forum bot gone rogue. Way to devalue the human experience by making an argument that people think in binary. I also hate to break it to you, the number 2 exists.

Also, the more I think about something and the more knowledge I obtain...I often become less sure about a question. Which means there is always a third answer in the GREY AREA somewhere: "I don't know."
 
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Ok - let's look at this from another angle.

You have to have clear definitions of all choices to be able to say yes or no to. The problem is- in the world - words and definitions aren't defined the same way. There's interpretation based on life experience, gender, political leanings, geography, culture, etc and so on.

So I defer back to my statement. The world does not operate in black and white. You can argue that individuals might. I would still disagree. But at least you'd have an argument. But when talking about the world's population - it's not a simple yes/no. Unless you survey every single person and then take the majority as a rule. Only problem is - then there are people who won't/don't accept that as the rule. So there's nothing binary about it. Is there?




This notion that everyone should work together and be happy is nice - but ultimately not how a fallen world works.

I couldn't care less about this stuff, so long as my iPhones, iPads and Macs continue to function as they currently do relative to the competition and the service I currently receive and expect continues to be exemplary.

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You're both right. Ultimately one deciding between three flavors is a yes to one and no to the other two. While your mind consciously may operate as if its a choice between three options, at the base of that decision lies three yes or no questions.

Computers work the same way. We don't see all of the "yes/no" questions being decided at the base level - we only see the end results/queries which most of the time seem far more complex.
 
or, it may hurt Apple with inferior parts. Arrogance and litigation are Apples problem now. It is hurting their ability to innovate.

The problems have already surfaced. Do a youtube search for "macbook retina ir" (ir = image retention) and you see lots of complaints about LG displays on the retina macbooks, there are even user stories of people trying to return and exchange the laptops over 7 times just to try and get a Samsung display.
 
Ok - let's look at this from another angle.

You have to have clear definitions of all choices to be able to say yes or no to. The problem is- in the world - words and definitions aren't defined the same way. There's interpretation based on life experience, gender, political leanings, geography, culture, etc and so on.

So I defer back to my statement. The world does not operate in black and white. You can argue that individuals might. I would still disagree. But at least you'd have an argument. But when talking about the world's population - it's not a simple yes/no. Unless you survey every single person and then take the majority as a rule. Only problem is - then there are people who won't/don't accept that as the rule. So there's nothing binary about it. Is there?

I'm speaking specifically on an individual level. You're right in pointing out that experiences and beliefs play into one's decision making - thus rendering different answers from different people to the same question. That is what makes us human - as I said.

Still doesn't negate the fact that at your core, after you've decided something, you're mind had either consciously or subconsciously decided multiple "yes/no" questions for you to reach the complex answer you give. And in my book, answering "maybe" or "no comment" is at the time a no until your brain has enough information to sufficiently make the decision.

I understand I think a lot more logically than a lot of people. But I do agree to a point with the OP - whether we realize it or not.
 
suppose apple sell 200m ios devices per year, so it need buy 200m cpu from samsung. and suppose samsung can get $5 for each cpu it sold, (this is a very high profit for a $17 product), so samsung can only get $1b from apple each year, so loss client apple is not a disaster for samsung I think.
but for apple, consider how much they get from each ios device, it maybe cost them more.
 
yeah, because low price is way more important than quality!

I think you misunderstood, I was trying to say that if Samsung is merely trying to be punitive here that other people in the marketplace might be able to offer a product Apple would want to use instead.

These were not fun side projects, these were all necessairy evils.

Well all those chip advancements were steps up from the previous architectures, but ultimately Apple settled on the standard used by 90+% of PCs out there. Now they get to ride the wave of advancement from a well-established industry with multiple competitors. If AMD starts making good products, they can release an AMD mac, if Intel continues to do well, they can stick with Intel.

As long as there are PCs, there will always be PC microprocessor-building companies innovating. If Apple tried to get into this market, it would be extremely risky and is likely to fail.

All that is left is the fabrication process. I'm all for Apple building fabs and controling this end-to-end.

Folks said Apple would fail miserably at retail and we all know where that went...It's time for Apple to reinvent manufacturing. The icing on the cake would be if at least some of these manuf jobs could be in the US.

Well, you may be right, although I don't remember anybody saying Apple wouldn't succeed at retail (maybe I just wasn't paying attention?). Tablets don't have nearly the diversity in chip manufacturers and level of R&D that PC's do, perhaps Apple will benefit by making sure they have a plant devoted directly to their needs.

I doubt it though, as Apple doesn't really manufacture anything like these kinds of things--it's all subcontracted out already. They certainly have the capital to try though! Maybe they can provide a better way of doing manufacturing, as with their unique (but not new) way of running a retail shop.

All I know for sure though is that when companies take on these extra responsibilities whereby they are their own demand, they often fail.
 
It's like Samsung is sitting there wondering "How can we piss our partner off more? How can we make them want to jump ship to a rival even quicker?"

It seems someone at Samsung is clueless how to operate in a global economy.

Gotta love Internet CEOs like you. What global company do you run?
 
You are grossly over-estimating Apple's importance to Samsung. Whilst Apple are one of Samsung's biggest customers, Apple still only makes up about 7-8% of their revenue.

Almost 10% is a big decrease in revenue to swallow. Shareholders will love that.
 
The market is owned by the whole industry, and not just one company. Market share refers to a company's cut of the market. So when somebody refers to Samsung, or Apple, its quite obvious they're talking about the market share, even if they use the word "market" and not the exact word "market share."

You understand that, but still don't get that a company's market can grow while their market share shrinks? If the market grows fast enough, a company can *triple* it's sales and still lose market share. The market for it's product has grown immensely, but their share of the overall market has shrunk. This is basic math and economics. Apple's market has continued to grow in the mobile space. Their market share has shrunk to the point where they're just about even with their nearest competitor (Samsung).

The fact that someone wants to keep *adding* "share" where I wasn't using it doesn't mean that my statement was incorrect. Especially when I was explicit about *not* meaning "market share" from the beginning.

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Oh good- a redundant post from one page back.

Yep. It's 'redundant' because I was responding to a post made in response to a post I made, Mr. Only-one-person-can-ever-respond-to-a-single-post. :rolleyes:
 
this, Samsung just got back its billion dollar loss

Samsung hasn't paid $1B to Apple. These things take a lot longer than a single court ruling. This will be drawn out for quite some time and the most recent news is that Judge Koh is going to hear statements from Samsung questioning the jury foreman's integrity. For all we know, the entire thing could be overturned and started all over again.
 
Could this be because of Apple diversifying their suppliers and getting more and more displays from LG/Sharp, more NAND from other vendors, etc... reducing their overall volume of semi-conductors with Samsung and thus not being eligible for volume discounts anymore ?

Occam's Razor folks...

That's possible. The article doesn't mention reasoning. People on this site just freak out too much over things that don't affect them. If the next iphone is more expensive due to cumulative factors or doesn't gain a suitable bump in storage, the solution is to put away the credit card, not go through a list of suppliers to determine which one deserves your misguided spite:p. I'm just picturing this group of angry people standing in line while grumbling about Samsung, and it would be so silly if things actually worked that way.


Almost 10% is a big decrease in revenue to swallow. Shareholders will love that.

You're correct, but they would probably offset that. It's not like all of that production capacity would go unused for several quarters. They would find replacement customers for at least a portion of it, given that the infrastructure would still be in place.
 
That's 3 questions, not one. The shop is happy to sell you all 3. You have to decide for each one whether or not you want it. That is what you are really doing while you stand there, looking at 12 different flavors. Pay attention to your thoughts next time this happens, see if you agree with me afterwards.

No, I'm not confused at all. I just said, difficulty in answering the question does not change the number of choices. If you have a problem with a choice you have made in morality, I submit that you are unhappy with yourself but don't want to admit it. (2 more binary issues, btw) Most people don't seem to know who they themselves are. It's pretty funny to sit and watch, really.

In fact, I find that moral issues are easier to decide once I understand the binary nature of the decision. People have this idea that there is a bar of "decision choices" with Yes at one side and No at the other, and there decision is in the "grey" area somewhere in the middle. When in fact, the bar is just a thought process, somewhere on it is a line: one side of that line is Yes, the other is No.

Take Sam's moral dilemma above. After it is all said and done, you've only chosen between 2, whether it is moral to steal or not. If you keep going back to that decision years later in your mind (conscience), I submit your answer was NO to morality, even though it was Yes to the theft.

Ok, that's a very simple question. "Is it moral to steal?"

Now, give me a single answer to that question which holds true across the following scenarios:
a) You're stealing food so that your child won't starve.
b) You're stealing medicine so that your child will recover from illness sooner.
c) You're stealing a Porche because you want it.

One "yes or no" question with more than 1 answer. The world isn't binary, even when the questions are formulated as such. Sometimes the answer to a "yes or no" question is "maybe".
 
Ok, that's a very simple question. "Is it moral to steal?"

Now, give me a single answer to that question which holds true across the following scenarios:
a) You're stealing food so that your child won't starve.
b) You're stealing medicine so that your child will recover from illness sooner.
c) You're stealing a Porche because you want it.

One "yes or no" question with more than 1 answer. The world isn't binary, even when the questions are formulated as such. Sometimes the answer to a "yes or no" question is "maybe".

Oh good - another human :)
 
I'm speaking specifically on an individual level. You're right in pointing out that experiences and beliefs play into one's decision making - thus rendering different answers from different people to the same question. That is what makes us human - as I said.

Still doesn't negate the fact that at your core, after you've decided something, you're mind had either consciously or subconsciously decided multiple "yes/no" questions for you to reach the complex answer you give. And in my book, answering "maybe" or "no comment" is at the time a no until your brain has enough information to sufficiently make the decision.

I understand I think a lot more logically than a lot of people. But I do agree to a point with the OP - whether we realize it or not.

Actually, that's very much *NOT* how the human mind works. The human mind makes a decision, and then rationalizes it *after* the fact. In fact, that's what you're busy trying to do now. Your claim to being more logical than a lot of people is part of that post-decision rationalization.
 
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