Samsung Reportedly Hits Apple with 20% Price Increase for iOS Device Chips

[JAT]

There are different truths though aren't there? That's why it's not JUST black and white.

IE - is it illegal to steal a loaf of bread. Yes.

If you have a starving child and no money - while it may be illegal to steal that bread and a crime - there are clearly other "higher" ethics/morals that come into play before you can say whether it is RIGHT or WRONG to steal.

You can parity if it's legal. You can't really parity if it's right or wrong if you look beyond legality.

So while I agree that there are definitely black and white issues. The world is more complicated. Because not everything is defined clear cut.

Interesting. As your example you give me a series of questions with only 2 choices for each answer. The very definition of binary. Although I'm confused as to which question you think you will answer first: Whether you will steal it, or if it is morally acceptable to steal it. You've confused the number of answers because you are correlating the questions before you've answered either of them. And because the answer to the first question (the morality) is very difficult to make, hopefully. Doesn't change the number of possible answers.

People confuse the number of answers with the difficulty of answering all the time. Probably related to why some can't handle math class, but I haven't gone that in depth for that particular bit of psychology.

LOL you can't be serious. You don't really think every question can be reduced to binary, do you?

Absolutely. I don't think you've actually thought it through.

 

[inlovewithi]

This makes Apple more likely to hasten their move away from Samsung. if this rumour is true. And Apple away from Samaung = $0 for Samaung as they won't be buying parts from Samsung anymore.

Lesson Samsung needs to learn.
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you cause one day the hand will stop feeding you if you keep biting it".

That's exactly what I read on another site, but talking about Apple, to not bite the hand that feeds them, in Samsung. Plus Apple was looking around for another company, but at he end had to comply with the 20%.

 

[vmachiel]

No wonder they want more different suppliers...

 

[winston1236]

This makes Apple more likely to hasten their move away from Samsung. if this rumour is true. And Apple away from Samaung = $0 for Samaung as they won't be buying parts from Samsung anymore.

Lesson Samsung needs to learn.
"Don't bite the hand that feeds you cause one day the hand will stop feeding you if you keep biting it".

True but samsung doesnt need apple anymore, they have their wildly successful galaxy s3's and smart tvs to focus on.

 

[samcraig]

Do you want Chocolate, Strawberry or Vanilla Ice Cream?

p.s. you're confusing yes and no questions with the world being binary. The world and people do not operate solely on binary principals. If you're going to argue we do - then I feel very sorry for you.

Interesting. As your example you give me a series of questions with only 2 choices for each answer. The very definition of binary. Although I'm confused as to which question you think you will answer first: Whether you will steal it, or if it is morally acceptable to steal it. You've confused the number of answers because you are correlating the questions before you've answered either of them. And because the answer to the first question (the morality) is very difficult to make, hopefully. Doesn't change the number of possible answers.

People confuse the number of answers with the difficulty of answering all the time. Probably related to why some can't handle math class, but I haven't gone that in depth for that particular bit of psychology.

Absolutely. I don't think you've actually thought it through.

 

[Peppa]

Absolutely. I don't think you've actually thought it through.

You're confusing having 2 choices with everything being black and white. A black and white world implies moral transparency in every situation which to claim would be an insult to human intelligence and reasoning.

 

[funkybudda]

True but samsung doesnt need apple anymore, they have their wildly successful galaxy s3's and smart tvs to focus on.

exactly, Samsung will be fine on its own, with or without Apple's deal for their chips. As if Samsung has problem finding other ways to make money, Apple fan boys are so delusional its pathetic.

 

[dave420]

@ $3.50 per chip increase. Apple only needs to sell just under 300k units for Samsung to make-up the $1B and then some.

I think your math is off. It would take just under 300 million units to get to $1B. I don't think they are going to sell that many by Black Friday.

 

[moargolems]

This would be an incredibly easy way for Apple to kick Samsung to the curb relatively quickly.

It's amusing how you speak like Samsung is somehow dependent on Apple. That's history, dood.

 

[samcraig]

I think your math is off. It would take just under 300 million units to get to $1B. I don't think they are going to sell that many by Black Friday.

Samsung hasn't paid Apple a dime. And they might not ever have to. Why do people keep forgetting this simple thing? The court case is in appeals. No money has changed hands. On the flip side - Apple is being forced to pay for Samsung's legal fees in the UK. And I don't believe that can be appealed.

 

[Judas1]

Oh, good. Someone who doesn't understand the difference between market *share* and market *size* when reading and responding to a post which *explicitly* makes a point of distinguishing between the two.

Apple's market is increasing. They are continuing to sell more iPhones each year. Their market *share* is decreasing as other vendors enter the market and vendors who used to sell significantly fewer units are starting to hit competitive numbers. Meanwhile, the absolute *size* of the total market is increasing fast enough that virtually every vendor (even some of those who are dropping huge chunks of market share) are still selling more units than they did 6 years ago.

Again, there's a difference between market *size* and market *share*.

The market is owned by the whole industry, and not just one company. Market share refers to a company's cut of the market. So when somebody refers to Samsung, or Apple, its quite obvious they're talking about the market share, even if they use the word "market" and not the exact word "market share."

 

[firewood]

Austin

Samsung has to pay for the huge multi-billion cost of that chip fab plant in Texas, either from Apple or some other customer for their chips.

It would be ironic if Samsung could eventually sell Galaxy's in the U.S. with chips made in the U.S. while Apple had to use a foreign supplier for their A6,7,8,... idevice chips (unless they manage to get Intel or IBM to do foundry work for them).

 

[Sanz315]

That's the lesson Apple needs to learn. Samsung produces everything from LCDs to NAND and SoCs which makes them independent, whereas Apple doesn't own a single factory. Without Samsung, Apple couldn't make a single iPhone or iPad but Samsung would do just fine without Apple, so who is feeding who?

Yes, but Im sure Apple could take their business to a competing manufacturer, meaning that Samsungs competitors would be getting that business instead. Less money for Samsung and more money for their competitors. Apple will get a supplier elsewhere but its always a loss of income for Samsung

 

[bawbac]

 

[bawbac]

got to get that $1 Billion back some how!

Last I heard Samsung is not paying anything.

 

[JAT]

Do you want Chocolate, Strawberry or Vanilla Ice Cream?

p.s. you're confusing yes and no questions with the world being binary. The world and people do not operate solely on binary principals. If you're going to argue we do - then I feel very sorry for you.

That's 3 questions, not one. The shop is happy to sell you all 3. You have to decide for each one whether or not you want it. That is what you are really doing while you stand there, looking at 12 different flavors. Pay attention to your thoughts next time this happens, see if you agree with me afterwards.

You're confusing having 2 choices with everything being black and white. A black and white world implies moral transparency in every situation which to claim would be an insult to human intelligence and reasoning.

No, I'm not confused at all. I just said, difficulty in answering the question does not change the number of choices. If you have a problem with a choice you have made in morality, I submit that you are unhappy with yourself but don't want to admit it. (2 more binary issues, btw) Most people don't seem to know who they themselves are. It's pretty funny to sit and watch, really.

In fact, I find that moral issues are easier to decide once I understand the binary nature of the decision. People have this idea that there is a bar of "decision choices" with Yes at one side and No at the other, and there decision is in the "grey" area somewhere in the middle. When in fact, the bar is just a thought process, somewhere on it is a line: one side of that line is Yes, the other is No.

Take Sam's moral dilemma above. After it is all said and done, you've only chosen between 2, whether it is moral to steal or not. If you keep going back to that decision years later in your mind (conscience), I submit your answer was NO to morality, even though it was Yes to the theft.

 

[Rocketman]

Apple releasing the 5S sooner and the 20% price jump for processors related? Yep.

The S stands for Samsung-starting-to-be-bypassed.

 

[SockRolid]

[...] a 20% increase in price would translate to roughly $3.50 in increased costs per unit for Apple. [...]

Won't affect Apple's margins much, if any.

Could be the last straw for whatever remains of the Apple-Samsung relationship. The excuse Apple was looking for to cut off all component deals with Samsung: "can't trust them to keep component costs down."

Hello Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation! Hello Sharp! Hello Elpida! Hello Toshiba!
"This is Tim..."

 

[samcraig]

No - it's one question - which flavor of the three do you want. How is that three questions. Are you really going to argue that I am asking for an answer to each flavor? A computer might process logic like that. People don't. That's sort of what makes us - you know - human.

Define love. Is there a right or wrong answer?

Was the movie I saw last night good or bad. Or perhaps YOU want me to break down a list of 1000 criteria points and answer yes or no to every one and then add up which is greater?

Who thinks like that? Seriously?

That's 3 questions, not one. The shop is happy to sell you all 3. You have to decide for each one whether or not you want it. That is what you are really doing while you stand there, looking at 12 different flavors. Pay attention to your thoughts next time this happens, see if you agree with me afterwards.

No, I'm not confused at all. I just said, difficulty in answering the question does not change the number of choices. If you have a problem with a choice you have made in morality, I submit that you are unhappy with yourself but don't want to admit it. (2 more binary issues, btw) Most people don't seem to know who they themselves are. It's pretty funny to sit and watch, really.

In fact, I find that moral issues are easier to decide once I understand the binary nature of the decision. People have this idea that there is a bar of "decision choices" with Yes at one side and No at the other, and there decision is in the "grey" area somewhere in the middle. When in fact, the bar is just a thought process, somewhere on it is a line: one side of that line is Yes, the other is No.

Take Sam's moral dilemma above. After it is all said and done, you've only chosen between 2, whether it is moral to steal or not. If you keep going back to that decision years later in your mind (conscience), I submit your answer was NO to morality, even though it was Yes to the theft.

 

[Mr.damien]

Apple moving away from samsung, away from google, away from other OEM manufacturers.... right as the market is starting to show signs that Apple's stale offerings arent "wowing" anyone anymore.

It seems like all of these moves are just going to keep increasing apple's overhead by doing everything in-house, rather than contracted as-needed. In this climate, I can realistically see a bloated apple, hemorrhaging money in about 5 years.

Just weird... their current plan is working GREAT, better than it has worked for anyone, EVER.... so they're going to change it (?!). The risk vs reward of doing all this just is bad biz.

Yeah, Apple is so stupid to make stuff by themselves. Their custom proc Apple A6 is so weak and less powerful than the competition just paying "by contract".

Ho wait ...

 

[Oletros]

Apple releasing the 5S sooner and the 20% price jump for processors related? Yep.

The S stands for Samsung-bypassed.

Highly doubtful

 

[smellysox8]

Hope everyone enjoys their crappy LG parts.

 

[rockarollr]

These big companies are so petty.

I wish they'd focus more on innovation and bringing out cool new tech rather than trying to screw each other over...

That's EVERY company nowadays. Hell, most PEOPLE follow the same mindset these days. "Screw everyone else over - it's the new way to get ahead!" should be planet Earth's slogan.

 

[mcdj]

Wow. The new ($19) lightning cables cost twice what the old ($19) dock cables cost? So $19x2 = $19?!

Looks like someone needs to go back to school to learn basic math. (It's not me.)

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Your point being, what? Only one person is ever 'allowed' to correct you when you're wrong about something?

Speaking of wrong. Ok, it's not double the price. But it's 24% more, for the exact same setup.

 

[JAT]

No - it's one question - which flavor of the three do you want. How is that three questions. Are you really going to argue that I am asking for an answer to each flavor? A computer might process logic like that. People don't. That's sort of what makes us - you know - human.

Who thinks like that? Seriously?

Everybody thinks like that. I'm perfectly serious, next time you are shopping for something with many, many choices, listen to yourself. You go down the row of 51 ice cream flavors silently saying "No, No, Maybe, No", etc. Then you come back to the 3 finalists and pick each one individually.

This. Is. What. People. Do.

They also don't seem to think about it much. I do.

About the movie....yes, that is what every person I have ever discussed a movie with does. Some go crazy with it (lighting, editing, why'd they do the credits like that, etc), others just talk about a couple things. Maybe the main 3 actors and how well they did, or a few specific scenes. If anyone says "sure, I liked it" and nothing more, it probably means your conversation got cut off because you didn't have enough time. You really think they don't have pros and cons for multiple aspects? Have you seen one of those movie review shows?

Love would take too much time. I gotta work.