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Should've done this a while ago when there was no clear alternative. There still isn't one, but who knows what will happen in the next year or so.
 
My point is that Apple left themselves in a position where they could not negotiate a better deal because they have no options. 20% is a massive price hike but Apple have no choice but to accept it, Samsung could have said 50% and Apple would still have no choice.

For all whe know these 20% its right on contract, they both will do ok.
 
I agree. With such large volumes of chips, surely these prices are fixed in a contract somewhere ...

It's not uncommon for long-term, large-volume contracts to include provisions for price fluctuations based on increased costs. A 20% jump seems pretty big, but we're not privy to the conditions which might have triggered the change, so it might not be.
 
Oh, good. Someone who doesn't understand the difference between market *share* and market *size*. :rolleyes:

I'll give you a hint. *BOTH* Samsung's and Apple's mobile markets are growing, though Samsung's market seems to be growing slightly faster than Apple's. The three biggest players in the mobile market are currently: Apple, Samsung, and the rest of the Android collective.

On a slightly unrelated note, the recent numbers which show the GS3 outselling the 4s showed a really interesting picture for the rest of the market. For that quarter the top 3 smart phones sold about 19M, 18M, and 5M. That's a *huge* gap between 2nd and 3rd. Given that 3rd place was on the market for only the *very* end of the quarter, it shows just how poorly most smart phones sell. Samsung seems to have finally realized that a single (or small range of) good phones are a better option than a plethora of mediocre ones. The question remains whether the rest of the Android collective will realize that before they finish burying themselves.

Sure buddy apple marketshare is growing.
 
A) Samsung can resell the chips to someone else - and possibly for a higher negotiated rate

B) Contracts often have riders and/or section which discuss price increases and/or "revisits" to the pricing structure. It's nothing new or unexpected.

A) Given that the chip in question, the A-series SOC, is an Apple design, its *highly* unlikely that Samsung can sell it to anyone else. They are perfectly capable of allocating any 'spare' production lines to provide (different) chips to other customers, though.

B) Exactly. (It's a wonder that more people don't understand that.)
 
A) Given that the chip in question, the A-series SOC, is an Apple design, its *highly* unlikely that Samsung can sell it to anyone else. They are perfectly capable of allocating any 'spare' production lines to provide (different) chips to other customers, though.

B) Exactly. (It's a wonder that more people don't understand that.)

A) Was said already in correction to the post you are quoting.
 
No, it isn't, it is something like a 10% of the chip division revenues
No way it is 10%. According to Wikipedia, Apple makes only 2.6% of Samsung total sales in 2010.
And if everyone is saying that Apple reducing its dependance from Samsung, how it can be 10%?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Electronics#Major_customers

It is probably around 3% for all 3 components. Chips alone probably 1%. And if Apple quits, Samsung will use production capacity/workforce to build other chips for other companies. But the reality is such that the demand for mobile components skyrocketing around the world making for Apple even harder to quit since probably no one else could satisfy always growing Apple needs for quality/quantity/value components.
 
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If Samsung makes such ***** quality parts why the feck did Apple use them in them in the first place?

I must have missed the post where someone claimed Samsung makes "such ***** quality parts". I saw the word "average" used, but that's not an insult. Samsung has the infrastructure to provide average-good quality parts, in large quantities, at a decent price. That's why vendors who need large quantities of parts use them as suppliers.
 
Dollar losing value

This is probably just a result of the dollar losing value against the won over the last few years. Expect prices of everything made outside the US to increase. This is the consequence of "quantitative easing" meaning the fed is printing money causing real inflation but denying it.:mad:
 
You are grossly over-estimating Apple's importance to Samsung. Whilst Apple are one of Samsung's biggest customers, Apple still only makes up about 7-8% of their revenue.

Almost 10% is a big decrease in revenue to swallow. Shareholders will love that.
 
Maybe this will halfway reduce Apple's staggering mark-up prices on their iOS devices and make their already exorbitant prices somewhat more justifiable.

Apple is charging $400 for a device that costs them $150 to make. That is $250 in Apple's pocket for a device that only costs them $150 to make. That is high mark-up if you ask me!

It's even more staggering for their Macs. Their Retina MacBook Pro 15" machines cost them less than $1200 to make, and they are selling them for $2500+

Somebody doesn't understand that there are costs involved in making a product (any product) that go beyond the parts and assembly costs for each unit. :rolleyes:
 
Take that billion $ settlement..

Take that $$$billion$$$ settlement and build a state of the art manufacturing company (in the U.S.) that is Apples completely. Yes, it make take a few months to do but in the long run, Apple is free from the parasites. By the way, I for one have quit buying Samsung products because it was quite evident that they were merely riding on the backs of Apple ideas. Why reward them.
 
Board: We need to sue Samsung.
Tim: But if we win, they'll raise their prices.
Board: Then come up with a way to get the money back.
Tim: Ok, we'll make a new dock connector and double the price for cables.
Board: Sweet.
 
Take that $$$billion$$$ settlement and build a state of the art manufacturing company (in the U.S.) that is Apples completely. Yes, it make take a few months to do but in the long run, Apple is free from the parasites. By the way, I for one have quit buying Samsung products because it was quite evident that they were merely riding on the backs of Apple ideas. Why reward them.

What billion? Apple not only hasn't and might not see a dime of that - but most recently is footing Samsung's legal bills in the UK for that lawsuit.

p.s. So have you stopped buying any product that has Samsung parts in it? Are you returning your iPhones/iPads/etc?
 
According to the USPTO, Samsung has the 2nd most US Patents granted in 2010 after IBM and ahead of Microsoft. Apple is not in the top 10 US Patents granted.

Yes and how many different products does Samsung make vs Apple!!!
Now check out how many patents they have in the mobile phone division and the software and computer division compared to Apple!!
Also are the number of patents = quality innovation? Please help bring some light
to some of those killer ideas Samsung has brought to the market?
 
Maybe this is Samsung's way of accelerating Apple to look for alternative suppliers, instead of telling Apple outright to go find chips elsewhere.
 
in 60 - 90 days, Apple will announce that it is building a chip manufacturing plant in Nebraska or somewhere like that or has re-tooled a plant or gotten intel, or AMD to make the chips for them.

I'd bet money the AMD president has a call into Apple at this very moment.

Why would the president of AMD do that?
 
This is what happens when you play with fire and start burning bridges.

Apple shouldn't be surprised by such a move and should actually be thankful that the price increase was only 20%. Samsung could have easily asked for a 50% or 100% increase given that its aware that Apple has no other alternatives.

If Apple refused, they would have had to immediately find another supplier that wouldn't have the technology required to manufacture these chips on spec and couldn't handled the load needed by Apple.

If Apple could have changed suppliers it would have done so already, even if it meant a premium in cost as long as it allowed Apple to be free from its reliance on Samsung.
 
Thank God you are not running Apple..

Yes... But since Apple is going to lose a few billions, tell me why they won't:

- Invest 20 billions on LG, resulting in samsungs loses (Apple business and the fact that LG will compete more with Samsung)
-Invest in Sharp (same thing with LG)
-TSMC (same)
-Sony.
-etc.

How many billions per year would samsung lose with all these companies upping their game with Apple paying them for memory, screens, flash, ram, etc? 10?20?50?

Don't forget foxconn.

With this sort of alternatives, Apple would win a lot, Samsung will suffer a lot.
Don't fool yourself, Apple can bring the hammer to samsung not only directly (small part) but also by investing in others. Also, samsung's credibility is down within other clients. What are the other companies thinking? Samsung can bite their hands too...
 
Board: We need to sue Samsung.
Tim: But if we win, they'll raise their prices.
Board: Then come up with a way to get the money back.
Tim: Ok, we'll make a new dock connector and double the price for cables.
Board: Sweet.

Wow. The new ($19) lightning cables cost twice what the old ($19) dock cables cost? So $19x2 = $19?! :eek:

Looks like someone needs to go back to school to learn basic math. (It's not me.)

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A) Was said already in correction to the post you are quoting.

Your point being, what? Only one person is ever 'allowed' to correct you when you're wrong about something? :rolleyes:
 
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