Samsung S7 sales vs Apple iPhone sales (and what % are switching)

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  1. samcraig macrumors P6

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    The take-away...

    "According to a report by Kantar World Panel, Samsung has a substantial lead in terms of general market share in the U.S. with 37% of the market, while Apple has dropped to just 29%. When looking at the four flagship devices from both companies (S7/S7 Edge vs iPhone 6s/6s Plus) there’s a bit of a closer gap between the two companies with Samsung accounting for 16.6% of sales, with Apple accounting for 14.6%.

    The report also details what percentage of users are leaving one manufacturer for the other. Samsung users switching to Apple account for 14%, but in terms of the opposite, the number is a lot smaller, at only 5% of the sales."

    http://phandroid.com/2016/07/13/galaxy-s7-iphone-6s-sales/
     
  2. The Game 161 macrumors G5

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    It's been great progress from samsung this year. Apple's numbers have dipped and Samsung have took advantage very well with maybe the best device this year in S7/S7 edge.

    I just hope they keep building on this and keeps getting better. Samsung and apple pushing each other is what we want to see. What these samsung phones can do now is great. Hopefully TW keeps getting better.

    In terms of smoothness the S7 edge has been great and showing no signs of slowing down at all. Which past devices used to.
     
  3. samcraig thread starter macrumors P6

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    It won't compete in sales - but the newly released ZTE Axon 7 is one nice piece of hardware (on paper anyway)
     
  4. The Game 161 macrumors G5

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    Think there are plenty of good options at a lower price. Phones like this will compete
     
  5. I7guy macrumors G5

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    Can I make a prediction here....
     
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    I like the quote from the Source:

     
  7. epicrayban macrumors 603

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    Samsung has done many things right this year. The obvious examples are in the S7/Edge -- class leading hardware in various categories and a consistent trend in improving the software. Also, they were successful in pleasing the general public by putting back features people wanted, and by providing a smaller option in the S7 with little to no compromise besides the obvious smaller screen/batteries.

    But it's also the little things they've done this year that are worth noting and which might account for the increase in various customer satisfaction surveys:

    -Security updates. Big Android updates are still slow, but I am mightily impressed with how they're pushing out security patches.

    -I know I mentioned software improvements above, but it's worth pointing out that this happens actually twice a year if you count the Galaxy S and Note as two separate times. They are constantly doing exactly what the general public wants them to: making TouchWiz leaner, cleaner, smoother, and ever more stable. As I predicted, Android software is reaching a crossroads -- Android N is adopting useful TW features, and TW is adopting N's speed, stability, security, etc. It'll be interesting to see how software/skins will really factor into people's buying decision in the future.

    -Unlocked options becoming a thing. 3 months late is still better than never. I can forgive Samsung for not having it on release date if that's how their carrier contracts workout. Carrier contracts are important for exposure, sales, etc., so fine, can't blame them. As time goes though, hopefully this window gets smaller and smaller (something closer to what Apple does -- making the unlocked iPhone available about a month after release date). Still, kudos to them. Unlocked options really eliminate one of the biggest knocks against Samsung devices -- the carrier bloatware and software update interference.

    -The promotions/marketing. Going to group this together, but this year's promotions have been off the charts. Say what you will about whether these are gimmicks or not to get the devices into people's hands, but for those who actually do want the device, these promos are just free gifts. Gift cards, discounts, rebates... just free stuff! ANd the marketing this year has been pretty stellar if you're asking me. Most of their campaign is simple, elegant, to the point -- just showcasing the features the S7 has over the competition (that main ad that runs that just shows the device over black, with simple music, highlighting the few key features is a particularly good one).

    Just a couple of examples.


    Obviously there are still areas that Samsung can continue growing in, but for now, kudos to them. They deserve the praise and success they've gotten so far. I think the S7/Edge is actually one of the best year-to-year updates to any smartphone flagship line ever. It'll be interesting to see how well it continues doing as the iPhone 7 comes out. Surely, the Note 7 is meant to counteract some of that, too. There will be fireworks. I've always argued, regardless of the dip in Apple sales/marketshare, or the leaked iPhone 7, their branding is still strong. Strong enough that even a modestly updated iPhone 7 will do well.

    Competition is good for all.
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    Yeah, both Apple and Samsung will not be able to ignore rising competition from more and more OEM makers. Especially those selling amazing smartphones at better prices. The compromises in these cheaper options are growing smaller and smaller.
     
  8. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    Good! I like competition. But, it still feels like Apple is holding back. Maybe they are waiting on next year. It just feels like they are playing it safe to me. But, what Samsung and Apple need to worry about is how good these mid-range devices are getting. In two years or so, it will be VERY hard to recommend a $600 phone over a $200-$400 one.
     
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    Not to nitpick (I agree with most of what you are saying) but for the sake of discussion:
    I think the S7/Edge is actually one of the best year-to-year updates to any smartphone flagship line ever.

    That's a pretty bold statement. Personally I would give that to iPhone 3GS -> 4. EVERYTHING about doubled with that upgrade, Apple SoC, brand new design that was the platform for what was eventually (in my eyes) perfected in the 5S. That was just such a massive differentiation in the market that blew everyone away. It had some hiccups, but Apple hasn't had the same innovation excitement since then.

    S6 -> S7 might have perfected the phone for many. But I don't see how it was all that exciting from an upgrade standpoint year over year.
     
  10. The Game 161 macrumors G5

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    I think bringing back the SD card was a big plus for what they did. Alot were happy with that. It has meant having a 32GB phone is enough for me. Which says alot as I need a 128GB iphone 6s plus for alot of my photos, videos for example. From a cost point of view it is a big saving.
     
  11. epicrayban, Jul 13, 2016
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    Fair point! The jump from the 3GS to iPhone 4 was indeed spectacular. The design alone could make the entire argument for you. It's no surprise it's one of my favorite phone design, and easily the best iPhone design to date, in my opinion.

    Fair enough. iPhone 3GS to iPhone 4 was pretty monumental.

    S6 to S7 is in its own right a triumph, too, though. Sure, in terms of raw spec to spec jump or major design language, it might not be as impressive as the 3GS to 4 -- can't argue those numbers. But the fact that Samsung -- known to be the OEM that throws everything at you -- for once went for a smart, effective, and meaningful redesign that added back things people wanted and loved, and added real world value (waterproofing, larger battery, screen to body ratio so that phablets could be "small", etc.) says something. The fact that they made the device thicker instead of thinner, too, which helped them be more comfortable to hold and use was also a pleasant surprise. There was something about the S6 to S7 that exercised restraint, made sense, and resulted in real world gains that directly addressed the shortcomings from the generation before it.
     
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    Samsung flagship outselling iPhone in the US? How long will this last?
     
  13. The Game 161 macrumors G5

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    Could be a common thing if Apple aren't careful
     
  14. aneftp macrumors 68040

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    I have both:

    S7 (can't stand the edge phones and yes I tried the s6 edge plus for 30 days before)

    And 6s plus.

    So I can't really consider myself a switcher. I just love all phones (well maybe except Windows phones/blackberry these days). Have owned those phones also.

    Some people are iOS fans. Some are android phones. You really can't make a bad choice with high end phones these days.

    But like the other poster said. Wait for promo (gift cards). Don't pay full retail or financially (if in USA on post paid carrier).
     
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    According to the article it's an impressive thing. But looking at apples website to get a glimmer of 6s sales apple doesn't break down the sales, there is really no way for these numbers to be accurate. Their unaudited data lumps all iphones into one category. Or are these people getting confidential data from suppliers, but that really doesn't tell how many phones were sold. I don't think carriers give away these numbers. I don't know if Samsung publishes these numbers or not. So I'm left wondering how this information is "devined".

    Here's a blogger who at least said estimating these numbers is difficult.

    http://seekingalpha.com/article/3964448-apples-iphone-se-sold-flop
     
  16. jamezr macrumors G3

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    Samsung is out selling Apple in the US for the first time ever...
    I expect this to get worse for Apple due to people waiting for the new iphone in Sept/Oct.

    http://www.kantarworldpanel.com/global/News/Apple-versus-Samsung-is-so-over
     
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    Just curious, why are you re-linking/re-stating exactly what is in the OP?

    And isn't this just a silly pissing match? Come Sept., Apple will say the same thing for 6 months until the Galaxies come out in Feb. Who cares?
     
  18. I7guy macrumors G5

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    Nobody really knows how many flagships Apple sells; as they don't divulge the numbers and I doubt carriers divulge such detailed information. This is all someone's wet finger in the air.
     
  19. Surf Donkey, Jul 15, 2016
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    Well I would trust the data in general. But again, this isn't such a great story for Samsung if this is just another Apple/Samsung pissing thread. I mean Samsung is winning users from other Android OEMs (outside of Asia at least), but

    just 5% of Samsung purchases came from those switching away from Apple, while 14% of Apple purchasers came from those switching away from Samsung

    It is not like Android users are dedicated to Samsung as an OEM (well except for a few on this forum). They just want a good phone that runs Android. The trend in Asia could easily start here as well to other lower priced OEMs. Getting users from iOS is a bigger story, and they aren't winning that battle at all.

    I honestly expected the S7/Edge to convert A LOT more Apple users. But the trend is actually the other way around.
     
  20. jamezr macrumors G3

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    I have the actual source Kantar. That funny that you chose my post to call out the pissing contest part? Why does Samsung's success bother you so much? Bitter much? I know any success Samsung has bothers you. We all do! o_O Then if who cares....why bother to respond at all?
     
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    It doesn't bother me at all.... it is just that you restated EXACTLY what was in the OP (where it is also linked to "actual source you have"). Like trying to stir the pot with @I7guy with a story that really doesn't look great from either side. Apple and Samsung are likely chasing each other to the bottom.

    What in the world would I be bitter about? I don't own any Apple or Samsung stock nor do I work for either company. That is the only reason outside of a dick measuring contest I could think anyone cares about this. Do you?

    I'll repeat what I quoted before "from the actual source" since you think it is worth restating the "actual source"

    Anyone still focusing on these two giant competitors, however, is missing the bigger picture. With Huawei aiming to overtake Apple as the second-largest smartphone vendor by 2020, and rumors swirling about Google entering the handset market on its own, Apple and Samsung should stop worrying so much about each other and take a look around them.

    Apple and Huawei have competed for the top-brand slot in urban China, with formerly top brand Samsung falling from a high of 34% to just 9% in the latest quarter ending in May 2016.
     
  22. I7guy macrumors G5

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    It's not Apple vs Samsung; it's posters on MR that pit Apple vs Samsung in a never ending contest. If I were Samsung is be more worried than Apple. Apple has some very interesting ideas about the future, samsung is heart rate sensor and wireless charging.
     
  23. Surf Donkey, Jul 15, 2016
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    I won't debate it on innovation, because I think they are both good. But again, people simply aren't converting from iOS to Android. People are settled in their ecosystems. That is the biggest story here. If the S7 was THAT intriguing, more iOS users would convert, especially with a lackluster iPhone 7 on the horizon. Maybe that will change next year when the iPhone 7 becomes reality though.

    I personally think Samsung outselling the iPhone (while for sure a nice headline for Samsung stockholders) is a bit of a perfect storm. iPhone is 10 months old, iPhone sales are down in general, Samsung finally made a decent phone that people like 6 months out, and other major Android OEMs are toppling.

    Again, good for them.... they have been fighting for this crown for a long, long time. But the story behind the headline is far more interesting. The only thing I care about this topic is watching what others will do to dethrone the king. Game of Phones right ;)
     
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    I totally agree , looks like the i7 is gonna be a bit lame, and not a patch on the 6 month old s7, so when the note 7 drops and sets new benchmarks thus extending their lead over all the competition who is gonna step.up and challenge Samsung.
     
  25. Sevanw macrumors 6502a

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    Hilarious stuff. The company that constantly pushes tech to the bleeding edge, that is on the cusp of releasing it's first foldable display phone, that has hit it's stride and has found it's footing in its high end line more than ever before, should be more worried. Yes indeed, more worried than a company that has gotten fat and lazy and produces bean counter products and is now seeing a decline in sales due to the consumer demanding for their money. Yup sounds right. Lol
     

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