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Any suits against apple is of their own doing. They're the ones who started this whole thing filing suit after suit after suit and now the competition is fighting back. The sooner apple realizes it's not the center of the universe the better off everyone will be.

+1. but someone also has to convince the fanbois that Apple isn't the center of the universe.

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Aren't you are blind hater hiding behind "i'm not biased" curtain :D

I think that he is a nice counterpoint to the "blind lovers" around here.

You can like Apple, yet criticize Apple when they do boneheaded things.

And clearly it looks like MBA Tim's penchant for lawsuits is starting to backfire - Samsung is going to take Apple for a smackdown.
 
I fully agree with Apple action to take legal action against those who copy their design.

This got nothing to do with Apple like Microsoft but a lesson Apple learn in the past.

Look at the past, Microsoft invited by Apple to help design the first GUI OS and then Microsoft steal the idea and come out windows and take over the world.

Same go to Samsung, joint partner but they go stealing apple design. This is not healthy and right kind of partnership.

And how will you feel if you are the one who invent thing and you never gain anything from your invention because others just copy your idea and eat into your share.

This will only make the inventor loss heart and give up and close shop.
 
But it's only by a margin of 19 PCs to 1 Apple, so Apple still is winning.

:rolleyes:

I guess it must be that new math.

Aren't you a blind hater hiding behind "i'm not biased" curtain :D

Not a blind hater at all. I think that Apple makes many excellent products and some of them are at the top of their segment. But I don't think that Steve Jobs can walk on water or that his backside doesn't stink. I don't irrationally worship all things Apple and blindly defend them. Nor do I do that for Microsoft, Google, etc. Rationality is not something found in great quantity around here. The fanboy mentality is amusing. And pathetic.
 
I guess it must be that new math.



Not a blind hater at all. I think that Apple makes many excellent products and some of them are at the top of their segment. But I don't think that Steve Jobs can walk on water or that his backside doesn't stink. I don't irrationally worship all things Apple and blindly defend them. Nor do I do that for Microsoft, Google, etc. Rationality is not something found in great quantity around here. The fanboy mentality is amusing. And pathetic.

Bingo.

Refer to my signature for further reading (not you, others).
 
samsung is desperate

Calling injunction on apple product may work in Korea, but seriously no one will give a **** in any other country.

When you play the games of patent, you win or you die. Given the current circumstances, Samsung should take the bite quietly before it loses all the component contracts.
 
You know what Samsung needs to do? Stop messing with Bada crap and make a tablet for Windows 8. Do you think Sammy could ever code an OS from the ground-up as good as MSFT? MSFT + Samsung seems to me a marriage made in heaven!
I agree. Bada is garbage. Just make the best Windows 8 tablet for next year and this will sure help both Sammy and M$.

The Samsung exclusive known as the S-AMOLED looks great with WP7. Of all the WP7 phones, the Samsung Omnia 7/Focus is the one that still stands out the best after nearly a year just from that screen.

As for this whole lawsuit thing, it is what it is. Apple started it. What goes around, comes around. Sammy is going eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. It is almost the same thing Bill Gate once said...

"All cars have steering wheels, but no one tries to claim that the steering wheel was their invention."

Apple and Sammy are like a bickering married couple heading for divorce and now deciding which possessions is theirs. If I wanted to watch court shows, I can turn on the TV after lunch to watch their petty complaints.
 
Claims reduced from 128 to 3 : http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/05/google-oracle
Damages reduced :
http://newsandinsight.thomsonreuter...ge_rejects_Oracle_damages_estimate_vs_Google/



Wait, why would I read Florian Mueller's anti-google agenda tainted reporting ? I get most of my unbiased reporting on law cases from Groklaw. They don't have an agenda. I suggest you remove FOSSpatent from your reading list if you want to remain unbiased and untainted. Florian Mueller has 0 credibility :

http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Florian_Müller

You might not like florian but you are quoting articles from may and july, the most recent being more than 60 days old. This case changes weekly if not daily, read the public California documents.

I'll admit I don't keep up with groklaw lately but you need to admit you haven't been keeping up with this case lately. Fair is fair. Gentlemen be gentlemen.

I'll take an educated biased person that takes both side of an argument over 3 paragraphs on news websites that don't do their own research.
 
Not a blind hater at all. I think that Apple makes many excellent products and some of them are at the top of their segment. But I don't think that Steve Jobs can walk on water or that his backside doesn't stink. I don't irrationally worship all things Apple and blindly defend them. Nor do I do that for Microsoft, Google, etc. Rationality is not something found in great quantity around here. The fanboy mentality is amusing. And pathetic.

Well that's pretty much standard hater saying here. I love Apple and i'm biased i don't have or need to hide.
 
Fact is nobody made a true consumer tablet market until the iPad came out. Those are facts.

nobody made a market? not even sure what that is supposed to mean, but i am quite sure that no definition would hold really. they are the only ones to really succeed in that space though (not quite true, but easier that way).
 
Am I supposed to believe that the German court are iTards? No, I think Samsung is infringing on Apple's patents. Samsung is in *big* trouble, huge trouble. This counter-suits are just attempts to delay the inevitable global legal smackdown.

In an FT article the court in question is referred to as the texas of europe. Such monikers usually comes for a reason. Had the dutch court (or the Swedish for that matter) ruled in Apples favor i would have been inclined to agree with you. Now, not so much.

Here is where Apples (otherwise great) path legacy hurts them (coming from software rather than "something else"). I simply don't find it likely that they have any real guns left in their war-chest, that they have yet not used.

This, quite simply, is the inevitable so-called flip-side of entering an established market from a non-traditional angle. Granted, this is what made their success, and gives them a huge advantage in the space compared to many incumbents - but, like stated, the coin has two sides...

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where is apple going to get their displays from?

"cant they just build a factory? :confused:"

:rolleyes:

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Displays come from LG.

They can also get them from NEC or Hitachi.

Apple can even team up with Sharp to design and have them manufactured.

You gotta love this breakthrough:

http://sharp-world.com/corporate/news/110831.html

Nice product, but i fail to see the breakthrough - assuming you're hinting at a technological one, that is.
 
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nobody made a market? not even sure what that is supposed to mean, but i am quite sure that no definition would hold really. they are the only ones to really succeed in that space though (not quite true, but easier that way).

FWIW it means nobody had a realistic use case for a tablet until Apple's marketing team told you that it's 'revolutionary' and 'magical' to kill time with Angry Birds on the loo.

Yes, as you can see, I still don't see a realistic Average Joe use case for a tablet. Either smartphone or Netbook, but tablet - not worth the 500 bucks for a contemplary device.
 
seriously, all Samsung needs is a killer operating system that rivals Android OS with functionality, and has the ease of use of iOS, and they can be serious competitors to the trending walled gardens we are seeing. Bada OS doesn't cut it.

Samsung is the largest technology company in the world

Samsung has one of the most far reaching supply chains in the world

Samsung has the most patents out of any other mobile company

And lets remember that Apple is the company that came into Samsung's territory by going into the mobile space, not vice versa. Not saying that is bad or anything.

i'm seeing a lot of comments brushing off Samsung like they're some small amateur company, which I find amusing to be honest. Samsung is a huge conglomerate, with full support from the Korean government. In fact, its almost fair to say that the Korean gov't is part Samsung itself.

problem, as i see it, is: they dont come from software. To complicate, gaining the knowledge relevant for doing software isn't as easy as one might think. Further, once you do, you're still not home-free. Then you actually have to make your platform break - itself (somewhat of) a chicken-and-egg problem to solve.

That said, while software obviously is the key to the industry, i wouldnt advise Samsung to go for their own OS. I would advise them to start building software capabilities if they are interested in going that (integrated) route (something that would make them quite unique, as they are also component makers -- Nokia buy comparison has their own production facilities, but dont really produce components as such), and i would advise them to do some software knowledge investments regardless. Building (enough knowledge and capability for building) something as refined as an OS though, is something that will take time - lots of it. Until you actually can, dont, and even then, think again. :- )

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Uh really? I like my iMac, but I would never use it as my primary PC over my Windows 7 box. Accuse me of being brainwashed into the Windows UI, but I prefer it.

Window-management on 7 is a dream in comparison. Some say Lion improves the Mac experience, though. With my MBA now in order (my IT-department pushes Macs, not pcs on me!) so i guess i will soon be able to tell...

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Samsung did. The Win8 tablets MS gave away in the recent dev conference was from samsung. One with beastly spec.

They sell hw with android, Bada, Win8. And provide critical parts for iOS stuff.

wp7 too... even though they do a quite lousy job at that.

Is it?

If the market was really "thirsting" for an iPad alternative, it would have snapped up the TouchPad and the Playbook.

But it didn't. They lingered on store shelves, dusty and unwanted, until the prices got slashed.

A lot of people who, for whatever reason, don't like Apple, seem to be putting their hopes in Windows 8 somehow succeding where Android and WebOS and QNS failed. I think they are going to be mistaken.

Because nobody really likes Microsoft. And nobody really likes Samsung either. But more importantly, nobody (sane) is going to go out and waste $500 or $600 just to "stick it" to Steve Jobs and the folks at Apple. They are going to say: "Do I spend $500 on an iPad - for which there is all this wonderful software. That works with my iPhone and my Itunes library. That I KNOW just works. Or do I go and spend the same $500 and buy myself the same heaches I've tolerated from Windows all these years. Do I buy myself a Samsung, with an incomprehensible manual like the one that came with the LCD TV set and DVD player I bought."

Sensible people don't buy computer products out of spite.

people dont need to like Microsoft to like their products, just like i can like Apples products while hating selected parts of its corporate entity as such. Heck, they dont even need to like their products to buy them, they just have to not hate them enough to counter the cost of switching (and, few people, "real people", have something against MSFT).

So yes, if you ask me, lots of people will gladly spend the same 500 and buy themselves a windows tablet. They do so when it comes to the sub-par beast that is Android in which they have 0 investments, so they will definitely do so when it comes to the MSFT where (everyone really) has larger investments, and which platform is the core of the largest and strongest ecosystem out there (at least in this market).

I fully agree with Apple action to take legal action against those who copy their design.

This got nothing to do with Apple like Microsoft but a lesson Apple learn in the past.

Look at the past, Microsoft invited by Apple to help design the first GUI OS and then Microsoft steal the idea and come out windows and take over the world.

Same go to Samsung, joint partner but they go stealing apple design. This is not healthy and right kind of partnership.

And how will you feel if you are the one who invent thing and you never gain anything from your invention because others just copy your idea and eat into your share.

This will only make the inventor loss heart and give up and close shop.

1) An idea, not originating at Apple at all.

(and, something a court decided was perfectly fine -- something i give 0 weight, but others here seem obsessed by court-rulings, so yeah).

2) Windows 95 were an iphone, to speak LTD. Beyond that, one could even argue. It was w95 that was the deciding factor, the definitive win for the "GUI" (as Gates once stated - even though i think he wouldve been better off calling it the desktop paradigm). Apple were, of course, making the same bet - but it was MSFT, not Apple, that made sure they both won.

3) MSFT has, since day 1, been the single most important partner for Apple. Even Jobs acknowledges this.

FWIW it means nobody had a realistic use case for a tablet until Apple's marketing team told you that it's 'revolutionary' and 'magical' to kill time with Angry Birds on the loo.

Yes, as you can see, I still don't see a realistic Average Joe use case for a tablet. Either smartphone or Netbook, but tablet - not worth the 500 bucks for a contemplary device.

On the "contrary" (i think we agree), I believe plenty had realistic use cases for a tablet - some better than others - just not seeing the product itself viable (just yet).

I too, have a hard time seeing A.J. picking up a 500 (here its even more) buck far-to-dumb device. While i dont think Weiser will be right for quite some time to come (in his - oft-times extremely accurate vision - tablets are scrap-computers), the value-proposition simply is not good enough as it is (especially not if people start realizing that they cant consume stuff with money that is not theirs without being ****ed in the end).

Technological progression, however, on the path to Weisers scrap-computer will surely though make a stop at both the 199 tablet and the 99 tablet. And those, will - as evidenced by the hp firesale - certainly fly off the shelves...

(Strange as it is, while i can see myself buying 0 ipads at 500, i could easily see myself picking up a whole bunch at 99 a pop, actually costing me way more.)
 
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I agree. Bada is garbage. Just make the best Windows 8 tablet for next year and this will sure help both Sammy and M$.

The Samsung exclusive known as the S-AMOLED looks great with WP7. Of all the WP7 phones, the Samsung Omnia 7/Focus is the one that still stands out the best after nearly a year just from that screen.

As for this whole lawsuit thing, it is what it is. Apple started it. What goes around, comes around. Sammy is going eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. It is almost the same thing Bill Gate once said...

"All cars have steering wheels, but no one tries to claim that the steering wheel was their invention."

Apple and Sammy are like a bickering married couple heading for divorce and now deciding which possessions is theirs. If I wanted to watch court shows, I can turn on the TV after lunch to watch their petty complaints.

But Windows 8 tablets from what I have seen are going to be priced out of Apple's market for a while first, they are going to start from around $1200 or thereabouts after all. Shame, it will take them a couple of years before they drop the prices I think.
But still, a machine the size of an iPad with all the functionality of a desktop... :cool:

Calling injunction on apple product may work in Korea, but seriously no one will give a **** in any other country.

When you play the games of patent, you win or you die. Given the current circumstances, Samsung should take the bite quietly before it loses all the component contracts.

So that's 'any other country' meaning America then? Or do you consider yourself ambassador for the planet?
I'm pretty sure everyone in 'any other country' likes to have choice, I'm sure the Germans do too, but thanks to Apple they now have one less choice.
 
Not sure if this has already made the rounds but I would be skeptical. It's probably more reality distortion from Apple.
 

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But Windows 8 tablets from what I have seen are going to be priced out of Apple's market for a while first, they are going to start from around $1200 or thereabouts after all. Shame, it will take them a couple of years before they drop the prices I think.
But still, a machine the size of an iPad with all the functionality of a desktop... :cool:



So that's 'any other country' meaning America then? Or do you consider yourself ambassador for the planet?
I'm pretty sure everyone in 'any other country' likes to have choice, I'm sure the Germans do too, but thanks to Apple they now have one less choice.

And what makes you say that? Or are you referring solely to x86 tablets?

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Not sure if this has already made the rounds but I would be skeptical. It's probably more reality distortion from Apple.

while embarrassing, its not necessarily even Samsungs doing - and, even if it was (as in, a single Samsung retailers doing) i doubt it was intentional. As noted elsewhere, its a wall of apps - some belonging to Android, others exclusive to iOS. I would assume that no one really thought about it beyond that (a wall of apps as a backdrop to a place in which you buy app-devices).
 
Much as I like apple stuff in general, I preferred them as company when they were hungry, and had more humility about them.

Personally, I hope Samsung succeeds in their legal assault enough to make Apple realise that they dont own the patent rights on everything cool. Give me the Apple of 2007 / 2008 over the 2011 version anyday.
 
You might not like florian

Maybe it has to do with the fact that the guy posts obvious FUD and misinformation ? Again, why should I follow someone with an obvious agenda that has been caught outright lying in the past ? The guy lost all credibility ages ago, nothing he says or posts should even be considered close to the truth anymore.

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while embarrassing, its not necessarily even Samsungs doing - and, even if it was (as in, a single Samsung retailers doing) i doubt it was intentional. As noted elsewhere, its a wall of apps - some belonging to Android, others exclusive to iOS. I would assume that no one really thought about it beyond that (a wall of apps as a backdrop to a place in which you buy app-devices).

More like a case of a designer/artist whatever he had access to, which was probably his Mac computer on which he was photoshopping the whole the thing.

Again, happens all the time : http://www.businessinsider.com/whoo...-iphone-maps-into-an-android-phone-ad-2010-11
 
Has anyone seen this phone before? I finally found out the model after scratching my head seeing someone use it on the bus. I couldn't take my eyes off it because it looked so much like an iPhone no matter how long I looked.

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_ace_s5830-review-558p2.php

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You'd have to be disingenuous to say those two phones look anything alike. I doubt Samsung waits to see what the next iWhatever looks like and then copy design cues from it.
 
Yes the Samsung Galaxy S II is a total ripoff and should not be allowed to be sold. End of story. Samsung should learn how to innovate! The thing is the iPhone design is so perfect that any other design looks inferior. Game over.

Before accusing Samsung of copying anything you may want to learn the differences between Samsung's actual handsets (especially as the picture you made your Galaxy S II judgement on says "Galaxy Ace").

The Galaxy S II and iPhone have many, many differences. Below is my wife's (grubby) iPhone 4 and my GSII. How anyone would confuse the two is beyond me.
 

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Since Apple is claiming FRAND they are obviously infringing, but to what extent is for the court to decide.

Funny tho. Samsung is suing for an actual patent, Apple sued for a community design. It seems like you shouldnt throw stones in glass house unless your house is full of inside tech. Witch it isnt.

Which.
 
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