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Samsung Throws Shade at Apple Ahead of iPhone 14 Launch: 'This Innovation Is Not Coming Soon to an iPhone Near You'

I should be careful with what I say. Back in the beginning of smartphones, I laughed at the idea of a calculator sized thing in my pocket. My first smartphone was the HTC Evo. I thought it was huge, but it was just a baby. I now get the largest screens that I can find because my eyesight ain’t what it once was. That said, I can’t ever imagine myself interested in a folding phone. I would spend all of my time worried about it breaking. To me, the whole idea just seems bad.
 
M3gatron said:
Samsung's main advantage will be the experience they gained with manufacturing and the actual usage of their hardware and software by millions and millions of real users. This is invaluable information which Apple doest really have. Like I've said, a me too device.
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The iPad has been around since 2010. Any hypothetical Apple folding phone will have the full might of iPadOS and the entire tablet app ecosystem behind it right from day 1.

I think the only thing Samsung can meaningfully iterate on it their hardware, but they are still out of luck as far as app support goes. Which seems to pretty much be the case with android hardware (anyone remember how Huawei demoed their own force touch feature by weighing an orange on their phone? The feature went on to be dead in the water).
 
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LoL, you think that means anything?
Just any phone can break right after you took it out of the box or it can be already broken, that's why electronics have warranty.
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The point made is foldable screens have a true technical flaw.

They don’t like temperatures changing. Cracking in very cold and expanding in heatwaves.
 
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This is funny. Samsung is not restricted in any way. OneUI is Samsung's own OS which they adapted, they constantly improve and optimize for their foldables. And they have a big start in this category. Plus not only their interface is improving but Android itself, does Android 12L ring a bell? If you look at Android 12L, which improves the interface for larger screen but not necessary for tablets, just larger screens, having a specifically tablet optimized interface on a foldable doesn't sound like a great idea.
Samsung's main advantage will be the experience they gained with manufacturing and the actual usage of their hardware and software by millions and millions of real users. This is invaluable information which Apple doest really have. Like I've said, a me too device.
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I’ve had basically every fold but sorry it is. Samsung does an amazing job with one UI for foldables and each year it improves but it’s still not their skin. It’s one UI on top and apps aren’t developed as good as they should be. Foldable app Optimisation Still has ways to go. Apple will always have one step ahead due to developers caring more about apps than developers do on android. As good as 12L is without app improvement it’s not really solving the problem.
 
The Game 161 said:
I’ve had basically every fold but sorry it is. Samsung does an amazing job with one UI for foldables and each year it improves but it’s still not their skin. It’s one UI on top and apps aren’t developed as good as they should be. Foldable app Optimisation Still has ways to go. Apple will always have one step ahead due to developers caring more about apps than developers do on android. As good as 12L is without app improvement it’s not really solving the problem.
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I was an apple app developer for a while. Their review process forces you to care. They don’t let it out of review if there is something that they don’t like. And Xcode makes it relatively easy to develop for various resolutions. I have also done android development and resolution is a more challenging thing. And there are more tools for developing android. If you want to do apple, Xcode is the only game in town.
 
At this point in the game, such posturing is useless and only serves to make Samsung look more petty (than they already are). The majority of people made up their minds long ago as to which camp to be in (iOS vs Android) and aren't likely to change (those that do are in a small minority)
 
M3gatron said:
Samsung TVs don't run Android.
Google TV is actually quite great and it's gaining more and more traction.
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I should have been more clear. Samsung TV runs its own proprietary OS call "Tizen OS", which isn't that good. Google TV is ok, but too many ad placements for my taste.
 
Mousse said:
Apple does the same thing. No long ago--when the iPhone only came in 4.7 inch configuration--Apple poo-pooed larger screen phones. Now all Apple sells are larger screen phones.

Samsung is an OEM supplier for Apple. People need to stop thinking that Apple or Samsung is a single product company. They're mega-corps with tendrils in pretty much every tech industry.

Never gonna happen.😐 Human nature. Apple does it. Samsung does it. Politicians do it. Hail, we even do it. How often have we trash talked someone else to make ourselves look better? I'm guilty of that.😕

T'is the nature of a frienemy.😌
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The primary difference is that Apple doesn’t do it in their marketing, it’s all in out of band messaging (like comments during keynotes or press interviews). Samsung’s ads are all about Apple, Apple hasn’t mentioned other companies’ products since the Get a Mac campaign (and they never mentioned any PC manufacturer by name or by specific implication). The last time Apple mentioned a specific competitor by name in its advertising was probably IBM back in 1984.
 
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cylack said:
I should have been more clear. Samsung TV runs its own proprietary OS call "Tizen OS", which isn't that good. Google TV is ok, but too many ad placements for my taste.
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There are no ad placement with Google TV. I know very well, I own 2 TV's than run it.
 
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The Game 161 said:
I’ve had basically every fold but sorry it is. Samsung does an amazing job with one UI for foldables and each year it improves but it’s still not their skin.
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It actually is their skin, what else would it be?
And like I said, Android is open source, it can be modified completely however the OEM sees fit.
You want to see how "limited" Samsung is by Android? take a look at their tablet skin.

The Game 161 said:
It’s one UI on top and apps aren’t developed as good as they should be.
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Of course 3rd party apps aren't developed by the OEM, that's true to any OS.
Even so Samsung has plenty of 1st party apps which are really decent and really well optimized.


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Foldable app Optimisation Still has ways to go.
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Everything has ways to go, including app optimization on ipads(and this after so many years of being on the market).

The Game 161 said:
Apple will always have one step ahead due to developers caring more about apps than developers do on android. As good as 12L is without app improvement it’s not really solving the problem.
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It's more of an illusion that apple is one step ahead, like the illusion that you think that developers on ios care more about apps than developers do on android. I rember when Apple launched 3D touch how a lot of their fans were claiming to expect a storm of app developers which will rush make use of this feature because of Apple's influence over them. What happened with 3D Touch?

Apps constantly improve on Android like they improve on iOS, by the time apple will launch a foldable smartphone there will already be a solid base on Android of apps optimized for larger screens or for foldables. And taking in consideration past experiences apps on ios will slowly start to catch up after the hardware is launched.
 
Abazigal said:
The iPad has been around since 2010. Any hypothetical Apple folding phone will have the full might of iPadOS and the entire tablet app ecosystem behind it right from day 1.

I think the only thing Samsung can meaningfully iterate on it their hardware, but they are still out of luck as far as app support goes. Which seems to pretty much be the case with android hardware (anyone remember how Huawei demoed their own force touch feature by weighing an orange on their phone? The feature went on to be dead in the water).
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It will need proper SDK support for folding devices similar to what Google are putting out for Android.

Having tablet optimised apps is fine on a device without a hinge but it will still need engineering work for those iPad apps to layout and work correctly on a foldable device.
 
Abazigal said:
The iPad has been around since 2010. Any hypothetical Apple folding phone will have the full might of iPadOS and the entire tablet app ecosystem behind it right from day 1.
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Well it's at leas your assumption.
And this "the full might of iPadOS" isn't much anyway. Most apps on iPadOS are still just smartphone apps.


Abazigal said:
I think the only thing Samsung can meaningfully iterate on it their hardware, but they are still out of luck as far as app support goes.
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There's no indication whatsoever that they are "out of luck as far as app support goes".
In the case of Foldables both the software and hardware are constantly improving. Nobody is waiting for apple for anything.

Abazigal said:
Which seems to pretty much be the case with android hardware (anyone remember how Huawei demoed their own force touch feature by weighing an orange on their phone? The feature went on to be dead in the water).
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As did 3D Touch.
And most likely they demoed it on a single model and simply didn't implemented in other or future models because well, people didn't care about this feature. The same way a lot of Android OEM's implemented their own 3D Face recognition feature but ultimately stopped expending it and stopped using it altogether because people didn't care about this feature.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
The screen has, built into it, all the years of experience Samsung Displays got from supplying them to Samsung Mobile. Samsung Displays will also be there to ensure that Apple’s using the screens in the way that Samsung Displays has learned, from experience, that leads to the longest life.
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The screen is just the screen, there's an entire body behind it.
I doubt Samsung Display cares about how Apple uses their screens. Also you do understand that Samsung Display and Samsung's Mobile division(which is responsible for building and designing the Fold) are separate? Samsung Display won't share secretes learned by other Samsung divisions, they won;t show Apple how to build the body and the hinge, it's not their business to do that.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
If Apple decides to make foldable phones, it won’t be just for a single year, that 100m will be for that time AND into the future. Making 50 million one year and not able to meet that in a second consecutive year is NOT a position Apple will want to be in. The first vendor that’s able to make THAT many (more than have been made so far) will be the vendor in the best position to offer a folding panel to Apple IF that’s what they decide to make.
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A lot of assumptions that don't make sense. Why would Apple want to order 100 million screens in advance or tell their supplier the want that quantity when they don't even know how long it will take for them to sell that many devices. If its a multi year thing its expected than next year the new Foldables will use a newer and improved screen not the same screen from last year so something else. Like I said, a question that doesn't make sense.
 
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I doubt Samsung Display cares about how Apple uses their screens.
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If Apple uses them correctly and there are customer complaints as a result, Samsung’s on the hook for making it right, so yes Samsung Display cares VERY much about how not only Apple, but all of the companies that purchase their screens, use those screens.
 
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If Apple uses them correctly and there are customer complaints as a result, Samsung’s on the hook for making it right, so yes Samsung Display cares VERY much about how not only Apple, but all of the companies that purchase their screens, use those screens.
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It's not on the hook at all, Samsung can just point out that it's apple's fault and they don't know how to build a foldable smartphone. Case closed.
 
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