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Unlike some of the people on these forums, I won't let my love for Apple force me to hate Samsung. If I'm being 100% honest, that watch design is very nice. It looks like a high end watch that can go with any outfit rather than the more "techy" look of the square Apple Watch. The only real issue I see is that is runs Tizen. If I could get Watch OS in a watch design like this, I'd be front in line at the Apple Store at release.

It would be really nice if Apple offered a circle version of the Apple Watch 2 (in addition to the regular square version) in order to fit more peoples styles.

Agree, it looks really nice in pictures. I'd wear it in public. :)
I hope the build quality is nice, i've tried an older Samsung watch and the round Motorola and they feel so cheap on the wrist (a $40 Casio or a cheap Seiko have better metal bracelets)
 
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You know you raises an interesting question for me, especially following Apple leveraging their unique access to the OS with their latest opus, the external battery hunch-pack, over their competitors products, and charging a premium for it.

This restricted access to the OS to enhance its own products, reminds me of Microsoft bundling IE with Windows, giving it exclusive access and tighter integration with the OS, that competitors didn't have.

I have to wonder if this isn't going to become a problem for Apple sooner rather than later. Certainly they can't be accused of having a monopoly on the smartwatch market, but their domination of the mobile phone market is getting up there. And once they are shown monopolizing certain OS features to the exclusion of their competition on a dominant platform, it won't be hard to apply to other products where they are doing the same thing, even if not a monopoly.

Des this mean they have an unfair advantage in the case making industry having first access to new iPhone designs? Or unfair advantage on shipping a web browser with a phone? Or a monopoly on iPhone notification centres - because they don't allow third party versions of that either.
 
What makes the Apple Watch look like a cheap toy? A non-round screen? There are plenty of mechanical watches that aren't round.

Not only the square screen. The design, the thickness, the rounded corners, the way it sits on the wrist, all these things combined make the watch look like a toy.

Go to a watch dealer and try a proper square watch like a JLC Reverso. You'll see what i'm talking about. :)
 
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If circular displays are natural and important... are you reading this on a round smartphone display
Sorry CarlJ, you're wrong on this one.

It's only natural that smartphone displays should be shaped like this:

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In general, I'm a huge Apple fan, but I have to say that I hate the design of the Apple Watch. It just looks like a tiny square iPhone strapped to your wrist. Total nerd-ware. However, if they ever release a round one, I'd definitely consider it.

If you go with a Stainless Steel version and a nice strap or link bracelet, it's anything but nerd-ware... I'm a big fan of mechanical watches, so I was very aware of the nerd-looking smart watches out there (looking at you Pebble!!) and this is not one of them....

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This is the one time Apple chose function over form.

Yeah. Clever that - if there was ever an excuse for a bit of form over function & appeal to tradition its on a device that is fundamentally half-jewelry, half-gadget like a watch.

A round watch display doesn't show as much info,

...only if the apps are designed for a square dial. Since all G2s have round faces, apps will be optimised for that. Personally, I much prefer an analog display for the most important function - telling the time - which looks great on a circular dial.

Biggest fail was the Motorola with the "circle-with-a-bite-out" face, which stopped app designers filling the screen with a circular dial.

Also, a circular watch looks more comfortable for something you're gonna strap to your wrist.

The bezel looks like a much better interface than Apple's digital crown, too - turning a watch crown while its strapped to your wrist is a fiddle.

which is the whole purpose of the watch, not to be fashionable.

What planet are you from? Watches have been a fashion item since forever.

If you're going function-over-form, the Pebble Time has an always-on display, visibility in bright light and week-long battery life that ought to be the end of the argument, but I'd certainly concede that it looks cheap & low res.

Based on pictures and reviews, the Samsung floats my boat more than the Apple Watch. However, I think I'll wait until someone comes out with an always-on display that looks nicer than the Pebble.

My problem is that I remember the 70s and the early red-LED digital watches where you had to press a button to see the time - the Apple Watch design reminds me of that (not in a good way). That's also going to be a problem with the samsung, but the 'classic' version with the bezel offsets that slightly.
 
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The problem with the Gear S watch, either last years or this years is that it is running Tizen. It will always have limited developer support so limited selection of apps.

I have the Gear S watch from last year. I wore it barely three months and gave up using it and went back to my old trusty Casio G-Shock. Why? Because it does the main thing a watch should do and that's tell the time without having to push a button or flick my wrist a certain way to light up a display.
 
Sorry CarlJ, you're wrong on this one.

It's only natural that smartphone displays should be shaped like this:

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...that would actually be a much nicer shape, ergonomically, for making phone calls. Nice to hold, puts the mouthpiece by your mouth, the earpiece by your ear, you can pick it up without accidentally pressing 6 touch-sensitive buttons and you could wedge it against your neck for 'hands free' use.

Of course, it wouldn't fit in your pocket so well - but if that wasn't an issue it would be a better design for a handset. Even in the 1960s they could have made it smaller (remember the Trimphone?) or put it in a box with rounded corners... but they didn't, because it was a good design for a (non-portable) phone handset.

Likewise, all watches could have been made square since forever (especially since the advent of digital) - and some are - but round ones have remained popular, maybe because its more comfortable to have a round watch on your wrist?

The circular clock face has been technically obsolete for decades but, guess what, its actually a bloody good way of representing the time, that lets you do simple time calculations (e.g. what time will it be in 20 minutes?) and approximate readings (its about quarter to) visually without resorting to mental arithmetic.
 
If it's just for the looks I'll take this one over the AWatch every day.


Regarding functionality I'm still much better of (compared to both) with my 19€ Casio....
 
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Actually this is great news! I prefer the more classic round style and the rotating bezel is cooler than that big knob. Already there are a multitude of custom watch faces and you can design your own- can't do that on the Apple watch. It also has a Heart Rate Monitor. Best news is it will be able to connect to one's iPod or iPad which Apple won't let its watch do. The Samsung S2 Classic is a way better choice in my opinion than the Apple one at this time.
 
Maybe because people like the way traditional watches look?

I've had a good look at the Apple Watch and still think it's the best looking smartwatch I've seen so far. I've tried it on and demoed the features and it looks and feels like a decent quality product. It wears nicely on the wrist and the size is good for me (42mm) and I don't think it's too thick like may others do.
I'm still not sure about how useful a smartwatch would be for me but if I was going to get one the Apple Watch would be the best bet for me because I'm firmly encamped in the Apple ecosystem. The main reason I haven't bought one is despite thinking it's the best looking smartwatch I've seen so far, I still don't like how it looks. I don't like the shape and think it's a bit bland looking so I'll wait and see if the 2nd gen brings any different designs.

While there are plenty of finish and strap choices available for the Apple Watch there is only one basic design which isn't good if you don't like that basic design.

I think the stainless steel looks really nice but unfortunately it also is way overpriced imo for something that could be a yearly upgrade for many people
[doublepost=1452088440][/doublepost]I have the feeling that Apple Watch 2 is going to have a much much smaller heart rate monitor and that will allow them to make it a bit thinner and hopefully make it consume less power
 
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I like the look of the Gear S2 far more than the Apple Watch. It just needs to be a little smaller. I'd never get one but I think it looks better.
 
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Huh? The first android wear devices were more between 200-400.

I got the impression the focus was on Pebbles and Fitbits, which were more like $100...

Maybe I just have a hard time remembering Android Wear exists because no one has one. :p But I'm sure the pricing point I made is disputable.
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I think the stainless steel looks really nice but unfortunately it also is way overpriced imo for something that could be a yearly upgrade for many people
[doublepost=1452088440][/doublepost]I have the feeling that Apple Watch 2 is going to have a much much smaller heart rate monitor and that will allow them to make it a bit thinner and hopefully make it consume less power

A big question I have is whether the future Watches will be able to support previous wristbands. So if I buy a Milanese Loop Watch today, can I then get a Watch 2 with a sport band and swap them out? Not that I'd necessarily do this, but that would probably result in less hesitation to upgrade.
 
Had a Gear S2 for a day.

Hated it.

Really? Can you expand on that? I messed around with one for a few minutes at a T-mo store so my experience is limited, but it seemed pretty good to me. I actually think the looks are pretty good and simply come down to personal preference. I really like the rotating bezel idea; hit it out of the park IMO. Advantages over the digital crown. Of course I didn't have enough time to form an opinion on any of the actual functionality/usability (granted the most important part). I'm in the "competition is good" crowd, so I'm hoping it is good. Why was your experience poor?

(This coming from a mostly satisfied apple watch user)
 
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I feel that one of the issues with square vs round right now is that we cant use the screen fully. Ideally 3rd party watch faces will be the answer. The best example would be looking at the Hermes watch face, it uses the space better than lets say a circle inside a square or the huge digital watch face
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This seems like such a silly argument. Many quite fashionable watches have been rectangular over the decades. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. (The Apple Watch, by the way, is most definitely rectangular, not square.) Watches traditionally have been stuck with the round shape, because they relied upon rotating parts, and could only really indicate time in a circular fashion. If circular displays are natural and important... are you reading this on a round smartphone display, a round laptop display, or a round desktop display? Before the car came along, horses were the ultimate in personal transportation for thousands of years. So naturally all the best cars look just like horses, right?
That is a compelling argument! Well done!
 
This seems like such a silly argument. Many quite fashionable watches have been rectangular over the decades. Just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean they don't exist. (The Apple Watch, by the way, is most definitely rectangular, not square.) Watches traditionally have been stuck with the round shape, because they relied upon rotating parts, and could only really indicate time in a circular fashion. If circular displays are natural and important... are you reading this on a round smartphone display, a round laptop display, or a round desktop display? Before the car came along, horses were the ultimate in personal transportation for thousands of years. So naturally all the best cars look just like horses, right?

The silly argument is saying that laptop or movie screens aren't round, so watches shouldn't be, because you ignore the value of round displays and their ability to provide information at a glance, in things like speedometers, tachometers, pressure gauges, and yes, clocks. You're not reading the NY Times or watching movies on your watch. You're getting the time, seeing steps toward a goal, or screening notifications. Only for notifications can you make an argument for a square face as something more immediately consumable.
 
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I feel that one of the issues with square vs round right now is that we cant use the screen fully. Ideally 3rd party watch faces will be the answer. The best example would be looking at the Hermes watch face, it uses the space better than lets say a circle inside a square or the huge digital watch faceView attachment 609097


but at least you can fill the area around the round watch face with complications on a square display
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I got the impression the focus was on Pebbles and Fitbits, which were more like $100...

Maybe I just have a hard time remembering Android Wear exists because no one has one. :p But I'm sure the pricing point I made is disputable.
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A big question I have is whether the future Watches will be able to support previous wristbands. So if I buy a Milanese Loop Watch today, can I then get a Watch 2 with a sport band and swap them out? Not that I'd necessarily do this, but that would probably result in less hesitation to upgrade.


I think if you look at the size of the digital crown and the size of the connector for the band you will get an idea as to the thickness of the second apple watch. They can make it much thinner without changing those things
 
...only if the apps are designed for a square dial. Since all G2s have round faces, apps will be optimised for that. Personally, I much prefer an analog display for the most important function - telling the time - which looks great on a circular dial.


A square will always show more area then a circle with in the same size.

x^2 > pi*(x/2)^2

(x being the diameter of the circle)
 
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