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You know, some of my friends joked around about making tires optional on new cars since they are junk that lasts under 30,000 miles. 😨
What if, like an Apple watch wristband - they let you choose the tires you wanted?
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Please don't give Apple any ideas with the rumored Apple Car. Lol.
@Tim_Apple Hay, how about you ship the next iPhone without a phone!!!! You could call it the iPhone Air!!!!! the marketing writes itself!!!!! NO MOAR NOTCH!!! It's like holding nothing at all!!! It's our thinest phone yet and and as light as air!!! You'll forget its even there!!
 
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At this point Apple should float the rumor that they're removing the screen just to see if Samsung follows suit.
 
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They’ll probably make a dongle you attach in your car. It’ll also make all existing wired CarPlay implementations wireless.
Just need to hope it is reasonably priced and reliable
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You don't need a belt to use pants... you do however need a charger to use a smart phone. See the error in your post now?
Exactly. And even if someone gets blindsided by no earbuds, they have infinite time to find an open business with some they want or to order the ones they want since the iPhone will still function without them. If they get blindsided by no charger, they only have until the phone dies to obtain one.
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You know, some of my friends joked around about making tires optional on new cars since they are junk that lasts under 30,000 miles. 😨
Tires? Where we're going we don't need tires!
 
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Exactly. And even if someone gets blindsided by no earbuds, they have infinite time to find an open business with some they want or to order the ones they want since the iPhone will still function without them. If they get blindsided by no charger, they only have until the phone dies to obtain one.
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Not really. Nobody knows what the protocol will be for new iphone users and how a charger might be obtained.
 
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What if, like an Apple watch wristband - they let you choose the tires you wanted?

Hehe, if you factory order a Jeep Wrangler you can decide between mud tires or all terrain tires (or all seasons, depending on the trim level). Some cars have options like that too (usually summer vs all season). On Porsches, almost EVERYTHING is optional - including what badges you want on the back.


Samsung see. Samsung do.

I think it'd be funny if Apple shipped the new iPhone with the power adapter in the box anyway, just to trick samsung .XD
 
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Not surprised. It almost seems is "redundant" as selling a tech device with a carry or protective case. Yes, a charging cable is required to use your device, although some already have it at home or work. And just like everything else, you can just buy another. As much as I hate to be "that guy", you're already buying a fancy Apple product. What's another $10 to you?

Also not surprised with Samsung following suit. It's well established that tech companies will end up copying each other eventually.
 
I seriously doubt it.

Apple is a company that prides itself on knowing the customer better than they know themselves, and they specialise in making decisions on behalf of the user so they don’t have to.

What I see Apple doing is varying this decision by geography. For example, if they are aware that a particular region or country represents an area of growth and that many potential customers are new to smartphones, they may choose to still bundle a charging brick for that particular area only.

Conversely, for a country like the US where the smartphone market is already so saturated and the majority of customers have already owned a smartphone (especially an iphone) for many years, Apple can probably safely drop the brick altogether, because this move is likely going to impact only a very small group of users.

The benefits to this far outweigh the downsides. AirPods adoption is rising, there are alternatives to charging your iphone (ie: wireless charging), and I believe the majority of iphone users (90%) won’t be negatively impacted by this move at all. In the meanwhile, you can seek some consolation in the knowledge that you are helping the environment in some small way.

To Apple I say - go for it.


First, Apple is not going to have separate factory runs, separate packaging systems, and separate advertising, all of that would be a production and marketing nightmare. Try and imagine having entirely different production lines for each country. That ain't happening. Try and imagine Apple explaining to new Apple customers in one country why they didn't get a charger and headphone, and had to buy one, but someone else in another country, who didn't need or want one, got one. That ain't happening.

Moreover, it wouldn't accomplish what they want, e.g., they would still be bearing an unnecessary cost for anyone who didn't want a headphone/charger, and they would still be negatively impacting the environment for no reason.

No, assuming the rumors are true, it's much cheaper, easier and more consumer and environmentally acceptable to get the chargers and headphones to just to who needs one.
 
What if, like an Apple watch wristband - they let you choose the tires you wanted?
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@Tim_Apple Hay, how about you ship the next iPhone without a phone!!!! You could call it the iPhone Air!!!!! the marketing writes itself!!!!! NO MOAR NOTCH!!! It's like holding nothing at all!!! It's our thinest phone yet and and as light as air!!! You'll forget its even there!!
Unlikely to happen.
No carmaker would test all tires.
 
If they get blindsided by no charger, they only have until the phone dies to obtain one.
🙄 So everyone who buys an Apple Watch, is completely helpless and ruthlessly blindsided when they open their watch box to find, *Le Gasp beyond gasp* that no charger was included!!!!

Only the cable!!!!

I mean, I can just picture Tim Apple, Hairforce, and Phil Schiller all cackling with glee. Another sheeple left high and dry. They'll be so desperate with that tiny watch battery - they'll have no option but to spend $20 EXTRA for the 5w Apple brand single plug USB charger! Because the cable included to charge the watch absolutely cant be plugged into anything else!!!!

Muwahahaha!

but best of all... if they try to sell it off to anyone the buyer will be like "where's the charger?" "Why would I buy the watch without a charger??" so the seller will have include it. Leaving the seller high and dry when they buy our newest latest thinnest and lightest most irresistible watch.
 
At first I was not happy about Apple and others removing chargers. I like having chargers in every outlet around the house. Then I looked an noticed I am using less and less because most of my outlets now have a USB slot.
So I hope Apple continues to provide the cable.
 
🙄 So everyone who buys an Apple Watch, is completely helpless and ruthlessly blindsided when they open their watch box to find, *Le Gasp beyond gasp* that no charger was included!!!!

Only the cable!!!!

I mean, I can just picture Tim Apple, Hairforce, and Phil Schiller all cackling with glee. Another sheeple left high and dry. They'll be so desperate with that tiny watch battery - they'll have no option but to spend $20 EXTRA for the 5w Apple brand single plug USB charger! Because the cable included to charge the watch absolutely cant be plugged into anything else!!!!

Muwahahaha!

but best of all... if they try to sell it off to anyone the buyer will be like "where's the charger?" "Why would I buy the watch without a charger??" so the seller will have include it. Leaving the seller high and dry when they buy our newest latest thinnest and lightest most irresistible watch.
Tell us, Uncle Flavas, about the high stakes race to get a charger before the watch dies! Do we even know what happens to us if our watch dies?! 😱
 
Tell us, Uncle Flavas, about the high stakes race to get a charger before the watch dies! Do we even know what happens to us if our watch dies?!

I realise it’s sarcasm, but an Apple Watch owner by definition already owns an iPhone, so he can charge his watch using his iPhone charger. I suppose matters may then get awkward when he wants to charge both overnight. Same with AirPods (but since you don’t have to charge it every night, you could charge it when you are not charging your phone).

Probably what Apple was trying to address with AirPower, if it ever does get released.
 
First, Apple is not going to have separate factory runs, separate packaging systems, and separate advertising, all of that would be a production and marketing nightmare. Try and imagine having entirely different production lines for each country. That ain't happening.

They already have different chargers and different packaging for each country... There's a lot of different wall outlet types.
I realise it’s sarcasm, but an Apple Watch owner by definition already owns an iPhone, so he can charge his watch using his iPhone charger. I suppose matters may then get awkward when he wants to charge both overnight. Same with AirPods (but since you don’t have to charge it every night, you could charge it when you are not charging your phone).

Probably what Apple was trying to address with AirPower, if it ever does get released.
Yeah, I was amused by the phrase "they only have until the phone dies to obtain one". Personally I think they have a little longer than that, but I was hoping to hear it dramatized with car chases and breathless credit card swipes as the watch battery ticks down from 3% to 2% to 1% to...
 
I realise it’s sarcasm, but an Apple Watch owner by definition already owns an iPhone, so he can charge his watch using his iPhone charger.

While we're on the sarcasm train, let us drink deeply from this well of incredulity some posters here seem to frequent...

...you're assuming someone purchasing an Apple Watch knows that the watch requires an iPhone to function. How would they know that? I mean, if you were to believe posters who are expressing concern over "new iPhone customers who won't be prepared for a no-charger-included situation", regular folk who are otherwise able to navigate the complexities of modern life are apparently unable to inform themselves or to be informed before they invest in a valuable product, or to gracefully deal with this unfortunate situation if they find themselves in it.

/s

Man, 2020, what a ride.
 
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While we're on the sarcasm train, let us drink deeply from this well of incredulity some posters here seem to frequent...

...you're assuming someone purchasing an Apple Watch knows that the watch requires an iPhone to function.
What is the likelihood as a probability or number of Apple customers that their first Apple purchase ever, would be an Apple Watch?

How would they know that? I mean, if you were to believe posters who are expressing concern over "new iPhone customers who won't be prepared for a no-charger-included situation", regular folk who are otherwise able to navigate the complexities of modern life are apparently unable to inform themselves or to be informed before they invest in a valuable product, or to gracefully deal with this unfortunate situation if they find themselves in it.
The universe of the above, the folks who believe Apple customers would be completely dumbfounded as how to proceed without a charger in the box is separate from the Apple customers who would buy an Apple Watch and not understand that for best use an iphone is required. Either way it doesn't paint a very flattering picture of Apple customers.

Some people just think people are not capable of critical thinking.

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Man, 2020, what a ride.
Yup.
 
I realise it’s sarcasm, but an Apple Watch owner by definition already owns an iPhone, so he can charge his watch using his iPhone charger.
Can you really, though? I mean, the (convenient) argument being made is that no will know what to do without a charger in the box. So if they can't figure out how to charge their phone without an included charger - how will they know they can re-use any any charger? Let alone the iPhone charger.

I suppose matters may then get awkward when he wants to charge both overnight. Same with AirPods (but since you don’t have to charge it every night, you could charge it when you are not charging your phone).
Which is my my argument has been - if we're dealing with the a person who _*needs*_ to have the charger included - then they just need spend the money on the 4-port 40w Anker USB charge block.

Probably what Apple was trying to address with AirPower, if it ever does get released.
NO! It's just another Apple plot to force you to buy Apple stuff because you wont know what to do without an included charger! Or Planned Obsolescence! Even if that doesn't make sense.
 
Because not every one buying a new phone has extras.... you do realize not every one is you right?
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If 90% of iPhone buyers don’t need the accessories, why would Apple include them for the 10%? It’s not as if they don't offer these or there aren’t a multitude of better third quality options.

I realize it, which is why I said both Apple and Samsung have conducted surveys and are choosing the logical decision to save on waste.
 
Great, thank you Apple for once again setting a crappy precedent. First it was the glued-in battery, then the headphone jack, and now the charger. I wish these other companies would stop following Apple’s bad example.
 
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