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As many have said two different OS's and its which ever best suits the individual, I use an Ipad Pro as my daily driver and that works for me but my daily driver in the phone department is a S10 which again works for me. I'm vendor agnostic.
It's a personal preference thing
 
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- Apple cameras are much better. Despite the specs on Samsung cameras, they really just suck. Must be a software issue? Poor focus, slow focus, poor low-light performance, too much shutter lag, grainy.


Interestingly, this: https://www.cultofmac.com/672844/iphone-11-pro-eliminated-blind-camera-test/

I generally agree with you - but overall, and this survey was done with over a hundred thousand people, pictures taken with the Note 10+ are considered to be the "best" of any camera phone currently available.

As for Apple Pay vs Samsung Pay: I prefer the latter. Samsung has better promotions with our local payment services here etc. Google Pay is, as is the case with pretty much anything from Google, a privacy nightmare.

Luckily, Samsung has teamed up with Microsoft and it's pretty easy to not use any Google services except for the Play Store on a Samsung Android phone.
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That's surprising. We had a couple of Android phones at one point in my family... and it's what turned us all into iPhone users. Easily, the most crash-prone and buggy devices we've ever dealt with, and the longer we owned them, the worse things got. Mysterious battery drain. Applications not launching or crashing randomly. Random phone restarts. Features of the OS breaking for no apparent reason. It just was endless.

My family has had about 10+ iPhones over the course of the last 9 years and they have all been rock-solid, and generally, it seems to be the same with other iPhone users I talk to. I wonder why your experience is so different? One would think with the looser rules for applications and the way Android allows developers to get into the OS's internals moreso than on iOS, that Android would be the more prone to crashing.
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There's also this thing called better system security.

Android 10 is pretty great when it comes to system security and privacy features. And yes, it's already available for pretty much all upper-tier 2019 Samsung models, and will be released for the rest by the end of February.

My work Note 10+ never crashes. But neither does my iPhone 11 Pro Max. Speed-wise they're pretty much the same as well, especially since the arrival of Android 10
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Just curious, did this actually happen to you?

was going to ask the same thing - I literally never heard of anyone with a Samsung phone that had his / her phone hacked, that got ransomware etc.

I suspect this primarily happens to people who use alternative app stores. Same goes for jailbroken iPhones, though - they're fair game for hackers.
 
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Oh no, you can download torrents!
Oh no, you can copy files directly from PC!
Oh no, it has USB-C!
Oh no, it has a headphone jack!
Oh no, you can replace the launch screen!
Oh no, you can have pinned icons!
Oh no, you can have widgets on home page!
Oh no, there is a back button right at the bottom where your finger usually is!
Oh no, you can clear all notifications at once!
Oh no, you can close all open apps at once!
Oh no, you can change your default browser!
Oh no, you can have 2 SIM cards!
Oh no, you can have expandable storage!
Not a single one of this points counts for me...

Not. A. Single. One.

Interesting...
And before you start calling me “fanboy” or something similar, I am a long time Android user (since 1.5) and I currently have a Galaxy S10e as a daily driver along with my iPhone.

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How this thread derail on the usual “iOS vs Android“ war ? 🤷🏻‍♂️

In my opinion Android is vastly inferior, but in the Android world, Samsung’s phones are the best to buy (I would add Pixel in the sentence, but sometimes Google seems to be quite confused).

Said that, I’m looking forward to see those new S20, because I’m sure they will be the best on the market before the copycats begin.
 
Oh no, you can download torrents!
Oh no, you can copy files directly from PC!
Oh no, it has USB-C!
Oh no, it has a headphone jack!
Oh no, you can replace the launch screen!
Oh no, you can have pinned icons!
Oh no, you can have widgets on home page!
Oh no, there is a back button right at the bottom where your finger usually is!
Oh no, you can clear all notifications at once!
Oh no, you can close all open apps at once!
Oh no, you can change your default browser!
Oh no, you can have 2 SIM cards!
Oh no, you can have expandable storage!

When you lead with piracy, your entire argument is null and void.
iCloud.
Lightning > USB-C. Further... you can't say that anything with a USB-C connector isn't a mess because of android OEMs not sticking to standards.
Grow up.
I can change my wallpaper too. Oh you mean launcher? Yeah, that doesn't matter.
You shouldn't be sticking pins in your expensive smart phone's screen.
Yawn.
If you need a button to go back, maybe you oughta stick to the Gran Pad.
I can do that too!
iOS manages it's memory better than android could ever hope to. So there's literally no reason to close apps.
Why would you? Safari craps all over other mobile browsers.
All current iPhones have dual SIM via eSIM.
And Adoptable Storage still doesn't work properly. In fact, the only app I've used that uses it properly was APPLE MUSIC. Buy a phone with larger internal storage.
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iOS user here. [Just wanted to point that out right away before I comment], that said; I think android has come along way.

It’s different from iOS, but for those who I do know use android, they absolutely love it. The same can be said about iOS, some of us are just devoted to which platform you prefer, but I do think android is not what it used to be. It’s easy to poke at androids flaws on an Apple related website, but realistically, there are quite a few Apple users who’ve never experienced android, but they use the ‘bandwagon effect’. We have to respect all technology alike, that’s why we have choices.

From my experiences, android has it's diehards because google got their hooks in them at a young age, back when you could get an android phone just for trying on a pair of jeans. Mom and Pop didn't know anything about usability or battery life or a good camera, they just cared about getting princess to shut up.

Those of us who weren't provided phones by our parents, bought iPhones. I've used android at various points on premium phones. Even on that high-end hardware, the experience as a whole is still trash. And that's not even taking into account security and security & operating system updates.
 
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That's surprising. We had a couple of Android phones at one point in my family... and it's what turned us all into iPhone users. Easily, the most crash-prone and buggy devices we've ever dealt with, and the longer we owned them, the worse things got. Mysterious battery drain. Applications not launching or crashing randomly. Random phone restarts. Features of the OS breaking for no apparent reason. It just was endless.

My family has had about 10+ iPhones over the course of the last 9 years and they have all been rock-solid, and generally, it seems to be the same with other iPhone users I talk to. I wonder why your experience is so different? One would think with the looser rules for applications and the way Android allows developers to get into the OS's internals moreso than on iOS, that Android would be the more prone to crashing.
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There's also this thing called better system security.
How long ago did you use an android phone?

They are much more stable now. You don’t really get stability issues anymore.
 
was going to ask the same thing - I literally never heard of anyone with a Samsung phone that had his / her phone hacked, that got ransomware etc.

I suspect this primarily happens to people who use alternative app stores. Same goes for jailbroken iPhones, though - they're fair game for hackers.

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sure it’s outside the google play store but it doesn’t mean it’s not a problem.

anyways there are plenty of malicious apps that made it to the google play store. look up “Charger”. it literally is ransomware that people were able to download.

Oh please. Apple also have vulnerabilities. If you repost with things that are SPECIFIC to Android then your post will have merit.
LOL, and also some of the stuff in the list can be done without rooting.

Fail.
name one instance where an app from the app store asks the user for bitcoin to prevent a malicious action from happening.

i could EASILY name one app from the google play store that was available for a short period of time that did this: Charger. could easily find more if i bothered googling.
 
Oh no, you can download torrents!
Oh no, you can copy files directly from PC!
Oh no, it has USB-C!
Oh no, it has a headphone jack!
Oh no, you can replace the launch screen!
Oh no, you can have pinned icons!
Oh no, you can have widgets on home page!
Oh no, there is a back button right at the bottom where your finger usually is!
Oh no, you can clear all notifications at once!
Oh no, you can close all open apps at once!
Oh no, you can change your default browser!
Oh no, you can have 2 SIM cards!
Oh no, you can have expandable storage!
Oh no, you have no security, privacy, or software updates?
 
"Interestingly, this: https://www.cultofmac.com/672844/iphone-11-pro-eliminated-blind-camera-test/

I generally agree with you - but overall, and this survey was done with over a hundred thousand people, pictures taken with the Note 10+ are considered to be the "best" of any camera phone currently available. "



Yep, I have heard all of that, but for me it is hard to argue with personal experience. As much as I wanted to love the Note 9/10 camera, I was consistently "out-shot" by my kid who has an iPhone 8. My other kiddo had the same thoughts/feelings about his S9 camera. I'm guessing the Samsung camera hardware is great, so it must come down to software. My biggest frustrations were: Close up shots (eg, scanning bar codes at the store and scanning documents), where the Note 9/10 just would not focus (or it would overly hunt for focus); shooting pics through glass (eg, an airplane window), where the camera would give me a "wave of blur" that the iPhone does not; all low-light shooting where pics would be grainy and lack any vibrancy; and the generally slow shutter speed so that I was consistently missing shots.

Regardless, I am much happier with my iP11 photo experience. And while I still love my Note 10 for other reasons, I am having to eat some humble pie for returning to the Apple ecosystem. :)
 
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sure it’s outside the google play store but it doesn’t mean it’s not a problem.

anyways there are plenty of malicious apps that made it to the google play store. look up “Charger”. it literally is ransomware that people were able to download.


name one instance where an app from the app store asks the user for bitcoin to prevent a malicious action from happening.

i could EASILY name one app from the google play store that was available for a short period of time that did this: Charger. could easily find more if i bothered googling.
The bitcoin ting I can't. But a more general question for you.
Has iOS suffered at all, (time and again), from exploits from apps sold in the Ap store that have made it vulnerable?
 
Oh no, your files are locked due to ransomware because you trusted that .apk you downloaded from torrent and you rooted your phone because you wanted that sweet "customization"! Don't worry, you can save your phone once you get that awesome new Android update soon? ...right...? soon?? 😢
As both an Android and iOS user since they both came to being.

also a BlackBerry user. Windows user. MacOS user. etc.


your post is absolutely complete nonsense and evidences you likely haven't touched Android in any earnest attempt since probably android 4.0

I highly recommend you update your knowledge before spewing absolute nonsense.
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Interestingly, this: https://www.cultofmac.com/672844/iphone-11-pro-eliminated-blind-camera-test/

I generally agree with you - but overall, and this survey was done with over a hundred thousand people, pictures taken with the Note 10+ are considered to be the "best" of any camera phone currently available.

As for Apple Pay vs Samsung Pay: I prefer the latter. Samsung has better promotions with our local payment services here etc. Google Pay is, as is the case with pretty much anything from Google, a privacy nightmare.

Luckily, Samsung has teamed up with Microsoft and it's pretty easy to not use any Google services except for the Play Store on a Samsung Android phone.
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Android 10 is pretty great when it comes to system security and privacy features. And yes, it's already available for pretty much all upper-tier 2019 Samsung models, and will be released for the rest by the end of February.

My work Note 10+ never crashes. But neither does my iPhone 11 Pro Max. Speed-wise they're pretty much the same as well, especially since the arrival of Android 10
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was going to ask the same thing - I literally never heard of anyone with a Samsung phone that had his / her phone hacked, that got ransomware etc.

I suspect this primarily happens to people who use alternative app stores. Same goes for jailbroken iPhones, though - they're fair game for hackers.

the user in question who made the claims is running off a bunch of rhetoric bias from about 5+ years ago.

Ransomware can still happen. This is not really whats questionable. However, to get that ransomware you have to install a sideloaded 3rd party unsigned app. To do so is not something you can do accidentally. First the user must intentionally enable developermode. Which is hidden unless you know the 'Trick'. there's not even a button to enable it.

than you have to turn on the developer mode feature to allow for sideloading of APK's. At which point you are than reminded via poppup that sideloading APK's are no vetted or secure. So you have to access and agree to that.

Than when you go to install that sideloaded APK, it asks you AGAIN are you sure?

users who seem to think that sideloading APK's is some easy to do thing that happens accidentally resulting in Malware are simply ignorant.
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That's surprising. We had a couple of Android phones at one point in my family... and it's what turned us all into iPhone users. Easily, the most crash-prone and buggy devices we've ever dealt with, and the longer we owned them, the worse things got. Mysterious battery drain. Applications not launching or crashing randomly. Random phone restarts. Features of the OS breaking for no apparent reason. It just was endless.

My family has had about 10+ iPhones over the course of the last 9 years and they have all been rock-solid, and generally, it seems to be the same with other iPhone users I talk to. I wonder why your experience is so different? One would think with the looser rules for applications and the way Android allows developers to get into the OS's internals moreso than on iOS, that Android would be the more prone to crashing.
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There's also this thing called better system security.

it sounds like you had some bad experiences with early android ... this is not surprising. I would say anything prior to version 6 in particular had some definite issues with long term stability. I remember needing to delete my cache, or reboot my phone regularly too back then.

however, by Android 6. Especially on my Samsung S6. A lot of those nagging problems that I had on previous devices are gone. Android itself is fairly polished by today's standards.

What tends to pose a problem for long time iOS users is the learning curve. Android users love the customization options that aren't there in iOS. But I will admit that it adds a layer of complexity to the device that not everyone is prepared to deal with.

iOS often gets ahead in these cases because in a lot of use, iOS is just simpler. (and I don't mean that negatively at all. there is something to be said for KISS and ease of use)
 
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The bitcoin ting I can't. But a more general question for you.
Has iOS suffered at all, (time and again), from exploits from apps sold in the Ap store that have made it vulnerable?

No platform has had or will ever have perfect security against third party apps that can access any part of the user's data. iOS however has far less incidents than Android (even if comparing proportionally to the installation base). This is a fact.
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As both an Android and iOS user since they both came to being.

also a BlackBerry user. Windows user. MacOS user. etc.


your post is absolutely complete nonsense and evidences you likely haven't touched Android in any earnest attempt since probably android 4.0

I highly recommend you update your knowledge before spewing absolute nonsense.

Name one app from the App Store that contained ransomware to the point where it literally held the user's data as a hostage and asked for bitcoin to prevent something bad from happening. You can't. I already mentioned one app from the Google Play store and can probably name another if I bothered to Google.

I'm glad you're not a lawyer because if my post was "evidence" that I haven't touched an Android device, then why do I carry one on a daily basis? Talk about "complete nonsense". I'm currently using both iOS and Android and have developed software for both platforms. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Maybe you should, to quote from you, "update your knowledge before spewing absolute nonsense".

You want to have a conversation? Let's do that but if you're going to be rude about it, then no thanks. Don't bother typing up a reply as I will not be reading anymore from you.

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No platform has had or will ever have perfect security against third party apps that can access any part of the user's data. iOS however has far less incidents than Android (even if comparing proportionally to the installation base). This is a fact.
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Name one app from the App Store that contained ransomware to the point where it literally held the user's data as a hostage and asked for bitcoin to prevent something bad from happening. You can't. I already mentioned one app from the Google Play store and can probably name another if I bothered to Google.

I'm glad you're not a lawyer because if my post was "evidence" that I haven't touched an Android device, then why do I carry one on a daily basis? Talk about "complete nonsense". I'm currently using both iOS and Android and have developed software for both platforms. I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Maybe you should, to quote from you, "update your knowledge before spewing absolute nonsense".

You want to have a conversation? Let's do that but if you're going to be rude about it, then no thanks. Don't bother typing up a reply as I will not be reading anymore from you.

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Oh no, your files are locked due to ransomware because you trusted that .apk you downloaded from torrent and you rooted your phone because you wanted that sweet "customization"! Don't worry, you can save your phone once you get that awesome new Android update soon? ...right...? soon?? 😢
You then picked up the goal posts and threw them across the horizon. Now, Apple phones I would suggest are just as vulnerable under the above circumstances.
 
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This is wjat I replied to;
Oh no, your files are locked due to ransomware because you trusted that .apk you downloaded from torrent and you rooted your phone because you wanted that sweet "customization"! Don't worry, you can save your phone once you get that awesome new Android update soon? ...right...? soon?? 😢
You then picked up the goal posts and threw them across the horizon. Now, Apple phones I would suggest are just as vulnerable under the above circumstances.
You replied "Has iOS suffered at all, (time and again), from exploits from apps sold in the Ap store that have made it vulnerable?" so you were SPECIFICALLY talking about the App Store. There has been 0 reports of ransomware via the App Store. Apps on the app store can't take advantage of private APIs that would allow ransomware to exist on jailbroken iOS devices.

And if you want to talk about "moving goal posts", you asked about iOS' general vulnerabilities. You were the one moving goal posts as I've only mentioned ransomware so why are you asking about iOS' other vulnerabilities? I never said iOS has perfect security
 
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So you’ve never done a FaceTime type of call? That sounds more old fashioned than what you claim iOS to be.
Does anybody use that? I mean, who doesn't have Messenger available? Works on a lot more devices than just Apples. And if Facebook scares you, there are oh so many other fine video conferencing tools to choose from.
FaceTime and iMessage, regardless of how good they are, are still not that useful since they are locked down to Apple devices. I know that Apple-devices are the norm in the US, but that is not the case everywhere else.
 
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sure it’s outside the google play store but it doesn’t mean it’s not a problem.

anyways there are plenty of malicious apps that made it to the google play store. look up “Charger”. it literally is ransomware that people were able to download.


name one instance where an app from the app store asks the user for bitcoin to prevent a malicious action from happening.

i could EASILY name one app from the google play store that was available for a short period of time that did this: Charger. could easily find more if i bothered googling.
The article you posted is 5 years ago :)

From what I understand ransom ware in Android is not the same with ransomware in Windows. In Windows files are encrypted by ransomware in Android a floating window is kept alive on the screen limiting access to the phones functionality. However the bug that has been exploited to make this happen has already been addressed.

About installing malware from side loaded app, the one to blame is not the Android system or feature but the user because this feature is not ON by default. Before you can side load apps you will have to enable this feature and there will be a big notification informing you about the consequences.

Everytime you install an app you are informed what permissions the app is requesting before installation proceeds. This makes the user of the phone responsible and well informed about their action. I like this approach because it educates user about the gadget/tech they are using and the consequences of their ignorance. Nowadays that important personal information are digitized and stored in devices it is important that users are educated about this things and one of the best way to educate them is to involve them in the whole process. I don't have an iOS device but I think this is the same is iOS when you install an App you are inform on the permissions required by the App which you can give access or not.
 
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The article you posted is 5 years ago :)

Where's the existence of actual iOS ransomware in the past 5 years?

From what I understand ransom ware in Android is not the same with ransomware in Windows. In Windows files are encrypted by ransomware in Android a floating window is kept alive on the screen limiting access to the phones functionality. However the bug that has been exploited to make this happen has already been addressed.

Ok? Still didn't prevent ransomware from happening.

About installing malware from side loaded app, the one to blame is not the Android system or feature but the user because this feature is not ON by default. Before you can side load apps you will have to enable this feature and there will be a big notification informing you about the consequences.

That's subjective. One could argue that Android should be responsible for any ransomware incidences. If the steps they take doesn't hinder the majority of users, Android should do as much as possible to make their system secure. Example: disabling side loading apps isn't going to affect the majority of users and it'll prevent all sideloading ransomware incidences. However they shouldn't disable apps from accessing your contacts as it would hinder the majority of users' experiences.

Everytime you install an app you are informed what permissions the app is requesting before installation proceeds. This makes the user of the phone responsible and well informed about their action. I like this approach because it educates user about the gadget/tech they are using and the consequences of their ignorance. Nowadays that important personal information are digitized and stored in devices it is important that users are educated about this things and one of the best way to educate them is to involve them in the whole process. I don't have an iOS device but I think this is the same is iOS when you install an App you are inform on the permissions required by the App which you can give access or not.

It took Android several years to add runtime permissions (permission dialog boxes). I think they added it in Marshmallow. Before that, it was up to the user to read the permissions description on the store page before downloading the app.

iOS has had runtime permissions since the beginning (it didn't cover everything like microphone access, but they were very strict with location since the beginning).

Problem is that some old apps to this day were never updated to put in runtime permissions. So their apps simply crashed when trying to access a resource that was previously accessible without explicit user permission.
 
Where's the existence of actual iOS ransomware in the past 5 years?



Ok? Still didn't prevent ransomware from happening.



That's subjective. One could argue that Android should be responsible for any ransomware incidences. If the steps they take doesn't hinder the majority of users, Android should do as much as possible to make their system secure. Example: disabling side loading apps isn't going to affect the majority of users and it'll prevent all sideloading ransomware incidences. However they shouldn't disable apps from accessing your contacts as it would hinder the majority of users' experiences.



It took Android several years to add runtime permissions (permission dialog boxes). I think they added it in Marshmallow. Before that, it was up to the user to read the permissions description on the store page before downloading the app.

iOS has had runtime permissions since the beginning (it didn't cover everything like microphone access, but they were very strict with location since the beginning).

Problem is that some old apps to this day were never updated to put in runtime permissions. So their apps simply crashed when trying to access a resource that was previously accessible without explicit user permission.

I admit that Android at the beginning is not that good. You are fixed with the old problems that has been addressed already. It seems that your bias against Android system will always see the OS indifferently even though it has come a long way already. Android OS evolves faster than iOS but then again even if Android OS reach near perfection you would still not like it because its not iOS :) so this is not a discussion about technical things but more being loyal to a product to a point you will not recognize any other products :)

I am not sure what you mean about disabling apps access to contacts specially you mention it right after the feature of disabling installation of apps from unknown sources. The two are not related. I can install apps from Google Play store but still can restrict apps access to my contacts including Google apps.
 
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Where's the existence of actual iOS ransomware in the past 5 years?



Ok? Still didn't prevent ransomware from happening.



That's subjective. One could argue that Android should be responsible for any ransomware incidences. If the steps they take doesn't hinder the majority of users, Android should do as much as possible to make their system secure. Example: disabling side loading apps isn't going to affect the majority of users and it'll prevent all sideloading ransomware incidences. However they shouldn't disable apps from accessing your contacts as it would hinder the majority of users' experiences.



It took Android several years to add runtime permissions (permission dialog boxes). I think they added it in Marshmallow. Before that, it was up to the user to read the permissions description on the store page before downloading the app.

iOS has had runtime permissions since the beginning (it didn't cover everything like microphone access, but they were very strict with location since the beginning).

Problem is that some old apps to this day were never updated to put in runtime permissions. So their apps simply crashed when trying to access a resource that was previously accessible without explicit user permission.
The majority of android users have no idea how to side load apps and therefore only download apps from the google play store. My husband has been using android since 2012 and does not know how to side load an app. So I don’t think google need to prevent users from installing apps from outside the play store. In fact doing so would go against the nature of android, being an open OS. Being together, not the same.
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Where's the existence of actual iOS ransomware in the past 5 years?



Ok? Still didn't prevent ransomware from happening.



That's subjective. One could argue that Android should be responsible for any ransomware incidences. If the steps they take doesn't hinder the majority of users, Android should do as much as possible to make their system secure. Example: disabling side loading apps isn't going to affect the majority of users and it'll prevent all sideloading ransomware incidences. However they shouldn't disable apps from accessing your contacts as it would hinder the majority of users' experiences.



It took Android several years to add runtime permissions (permission dialog boxes). I think they added it in Marshmallow. Before that, it was up to the user to read the permissions description on the store page before downloading the app.

iOS has had runtime permissions since the beginning (it didn't cover everything like microphone access, but they were very strict with location since the beginning).

Problem is that some old apps to this day were never updated to put in runtime permissions. So their apps simply crashed when trying to access a resource that was previously accessible without explicit user permission.
The majority of android users have no idea how to side load apps and therefore only download apps from the google play store. My husband has been using android since 2012 and does not know how to side load an app. So I don’t think google need to prevent users from installing apps from outside the play store. In fact doing so would go against the nature of android, being an open OS. Being together, not the same.
 
So you’ve never done a FaceTime type of call? That sounds more old fashioned than what you claim iOS to be.
Nope. I have used FaceTime Exactly one time. When it was first released.
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I do enjoy dealing with ransomware and restoring from backups on my vacation, along with other various malware that somehow my Android battery-sucking-anti-virus application didn't catch.
Yeah. No. I dont use android now, but I never was hacked or was infected with malware. Phone was rooted.
 
If the rendering is true, another expensive Samsung knockoff of the iPhone
Looks just like the iPhone. I’m using my iPhone 11 Pro right now with its hole punch display, 120hz refresh rate, in display fingerprint sensor, and I just took a picture with my 5 x optical zoom lens.
 
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