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So do a lot of people it seems.

I cant help but think many people are going to be disappointed and/or let down.

Yeah possibly. I am basing my opinion on some striking mock ups I've seen. We may indeed be let down or maybe Apple doesn't even have one planned.
 
Samsung have blatantly heard the talk of Apple looking into health stuff and implemented it into the gear 2 and rushed it out before apple get the chance to release theirs, so that the non geeks, who haven't read sites like these, would think Samsung did it first.
"Blatantly" means "I have no evidence of it but it must be true because I'm very convinced of that". It might be that you're right but I don't have your certainties.

Your link to the pebble forum is just a thread of Devs talking about implementing it. None of them were actual Pebble Devs, from what I've read.
Them being Pebble devs or not doesn't change the fact that the concept was clearly a hot topic back then already. As far as I understand the Pebble has an app store and its functionality is supposed to be extendable with third-party apps. The ideas explained in that thread were eventually implemented in various apps available for the Pebble. Most likely these ideas inspired Apple too, after all the iWatch rumors started after the Pebble itself.

The Gear and the Gear 2 just both seemed rushed pieces of tat. I know 2 people that got the gear, they returned it after a week as they hated the fact it can barely last a day on battery.
Nobody questions that, as I repeated countless times execution is what matters. Still it doesn't mean that the idea had to come from Apple.
 
Functionality aside... I think these watches have to look better. If the look is simply that of the old calculator nerd watches, its never going to take off. I do wear a watch to tell time but also because it looks fashionalbly good.

I think partnering with an established watch maker... would be the way to go. Also if these watches are more for sports/activities/health... then they should look the part.

Basically, staying inline with fashion is the most important thing above all else.
 
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You know, I just realized that I haven't given any actual opinion on this new device...

Welcome to the Interwebs! :)

I do not have opinion on Gear too. But I have secret agenda: I want to replace my wristwatch. In the ten years which passed since I bought my last one, watch industry has "moved on": now it is more about the look than the function.

So what I want is: relatively thin (10mm or thinner), not oversized (40mm x 40mm top), time display as large as possible, chronograph, calendar, splash-proof, (if e-watch) at least a week of battery life.

Ten years later, oh irony, the only watch I could find which fits the criteria best: the same watch I bought tens years ago. (It misses the mark by been 12mm thick.)

Pebble had the right idea when they gave their device an ePaper display.

The problem with e-Ink is that it has very limited applications. I personally OK with e-Ink, but a device with niche appeal is not going to have a wide adoption and thus would be stuck in the niche, improving only slowly.

To me personally, the failure of Pebble is that it is bit too large. Or probably Pebble is OK, but it is not sold here in retail so I have no way to test it before buying. (The newer Pebble Steel is actually smaller than the original (plastic) Pebble (unfortunately it also features the largish "Pebble" inscription on the front).)
 
"Blatantly" means "I have no evidence of it but it must be true because I'm very convinced of that". It might be that you're right but I don't have your certainties.





Them being Pebble devs or not doesn't change the fact that the concept was clearly a hot topic back then already. As far as I understand the Pebble has an app store and its functionality is supposed to be extendable with third-party apps. The ideas explained in that thread were eventually implemented in various apps available for the Pebble. Most likely these ideas inspired Apple too, after all the iWatch rumors started after the Pebble itself.





Nobody questions that, as I repeated countless times execution is what matters. Still it doesn't mean that the idea had to come from Apple.


I would hardly call the thread on the pebble forum 'a hot topic'. It's barely a 2 page thread, in the dev talk section. Your claim would have more credence if there were actual pebble Devs talking about implementing the feature and/or it was a thread of substance.

The timing of everything just points towards samsung copying apple from the rumours, thus why so many people are saying what I am.
 
My issue is that they only target Samsung rumors. I have a Note 3 and have been following Android for years. This is just a fraction of the Android news. LG announced 2 phones last week and just yesterday Lenovo said that they will announce a tablet on Monday. During mobile congress this week we could see maybe 10 other smart watches from other Android OEM'S yet Macrumors only cherry pick Samsung.
And I rarely see any Windows Phones on Macrumors. I bet over 90% of you guys didn't even know that Nokia just released the Nokia Icon on Verizon. Most of you are only Apple lovers but I'm a gadget lover. Sucks to see news being targeted for click responses. Stick with Apple rumors or become a site like Engadget.
I understand what you're saying and I personally would like to see some more tech news like about the Icon you mentioned. The fact is though that Samsung is Apple's largest competitor and that's why we see more Samsung news than other manufacturers.

All I'm saying is that we shouldn't slam MR for bringing us news and rumors that isn't specific to Apple products.
 
Looks like Samsung's small army of online posters who are responsible for promoting the brand, swaying public opinion and protecting their interests are out in full force today.
 
I'm loving these MAC RUMORS, guys. ;)

I'm in the same boat...
Given the address APPLErumors.com also points here, I'm not quite sure where Samsung comes in.

They're definitely getting a lot of front page articles of recent. My observation is that they possibly read Mac rumours sites and try to preempt Apple's moves (iWatch is an example).

As a proud Apple fanboy I'm interested in Apple... not M$, Bladerunner (Android/Nexus) or Samsung's attempts to be the new Sony.

One of my suspicions is that being from a Korean background, the Macrumors founder is quite proud of Samsung so uses his status to promote them. Could be wrong (and to be fair he is American... I'm just going off his name/appearance. He may or may not be proud of a Korean company ramping up efforts to compete with Apple and in doing so gaining a lot of the anti-Apple crowd).
 
Looks like Samsung's small army of online posters who are responsible for promoting the brand, swaying public opinion and protecting their interests are out in full force today.

Love this logic.

So if someone doesn't insult or mock Samsung, then apparently they are employed by them?!

Whatever happened to adults have a proper discussion without these childish remarks that get thrown around.
 
The problem with e-Ink is that it has very limited applications. I personally OK with e-Ink, but a device with niche appeal is not going to have a wide adoption and thus would be stuck in the niche, improving only slowly.
Well, strictly speaking it's ePaper, not eInk. The former being a generic term for any kind of display technology that has low energy requirements and good reflectivity. In Pebble's case, it's really just a modern form of reflective LCD (complete with optional backlight). As such it doesn't suffer from the slow refresh rate or flashes that are characteristic of eInk specifically.

Anyway, you're right that it has limited applications. However I honestly think the smartwatch is one of those applications. To me a smartwatch is somewhat akin to the old preview screens on flip phones. It's not meant to replace the main screen on your phone, but just to show important information at a glance.
 
I'm in the same boat...
Given the address APPLErumors.com also points here, I'm not quite sure where Samsung comes in.

They're definitely getting a lot of front page articles of recent. My observation is that they possibly read Mac rumours sites and try to preempt Apple's moves (iWatch is an example).

As a proud Apple fanboy I'm interested in Apple... not M$, Bladerunner (Android/Nexus) or Samsung's attempts to be the new Sony.

One of my suspicions is that being from a Korean background, the Macrumors founder is quite proud of Samsung so uses his status to promote them. Could be wrong (and to be fair he is American... I'm just going off his name/appearance. He may or may not be proud of a Korean company ramping up efforts to compete with Apple and in doing so gaining a lot of the anti-Apple crowd).

It's hard to be an Apple site when Apple are not doing anything.

I mean, they have to put something up here so we can argue about it :)

Otherwise it's just going to be full of speculation about the next iPad, speed/battery/camera etc etc. that's hardly going to keep us going for a whole year
 
If you don't remember those, you must be about 12. That explains. Believe me, your hands will eventually grow and you, too, will be able to use a normal-sized device to place phone calls.

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So wait....you are telling me that this giant mobile phone was made on 2002? Yeah, keep smoking that good sh...t
 
It's Apple's MO.

Or more rudely said, it's pretty obvious that Apple is obsessively chasing after ideas which are already decedes' old and which have been or are being already implemented in actual products by at least half a dozen other companies. Some of these products most likely predate Apple's rumors too.

Apple is not concerned with if something is completely new, but they take something that exists and make it a consumer grade product that people actually want to use. For instance, the computer was "decades old" before Apple made one. The difference is they took something that was institutional and made is personal. They did that in a way that was never done before and that's their value.

Same thing in the "portable music player" category. Walkmans and even MP3 players existed well before the iPod. The difference is that Apple made it easy to use, sexy and even thought through the ecosystem to make it really easy and transformed the music industry in the process.

So expect the same thing in the TV and watch categories. Apple will take it's time to do something really well and if it can't, it won't. It's pretty much that simple.

So for all the Android crybabies that whine that "Android did it first"... Apple is the Honey Badger. Honey Badger don't care. Honey Badger don't give a s___.
 
Apple is not concerned with if something is completely new, but they take something that exists and make it a consumer grade product that people actually want to use. For instance, the computer was "decades old" before Apple made one. The difference is they took something that was institutional and made is personal. They did that in a way that was never done before and that's their value.



Same thing in the "portable music player" category. Walkmans and even MP3 players existed well before the iPod. The difference is that Apple made it easy to use, sexy and even thought through the ecosystem to make it really easy and transformed the music industry in the process.



So expect the same thing in the TV and watch categories. Apple will take it's time to do something really well and if it can't, it won't. It's pretty much that simple.



So for all the Android crybabies that whine that "Android did it first"... Apple is the Honey Badger. Honey Badger don't care. Honey Badger don't give a s___.


Exactly this. Well put.
 
Like the people that bought an iPad 3 and then an iPad 4 comes out a short time later with the specs that the 3 should have had initially? But since it was Apple nobody was upset? This happens all the time in many industries, especially fast paced ones like electronics.

iPad 4 was almost only a spec jump. A faster CPU/GPU, a better front facing camera, some improvements in battery life, and move to Lightning ports. So much stayed the same: The design, the screen, the size, the weight, the price, the OS, the software.

Samsung changed the operating system!

Which means that the 3rd party apps developed for the Galaxy Gear does not work with these new Galaxy watches. And the apps being developed for these new wachtes will not work with the old Galaxy gear.

And the UI might have changed a lot too, we do not know yet.
 
Oh behave!

Times have changed since then.

I have a TV, Surround Sound, Tivo, DVD Player, Xbox 360 - All that I can control using the IR blaster on my LG G2.

Im sure your attitude would be different if Apple had included an IR blaster in any of their devices.

No, my iPhone goes one better......remote record function via wifi for youview box and remote control for my a/v receiver as well as my Apple TV. ;) (but tbf my samsung remote controls tv, ps3 :p)
 
Love this logic.

So if someone doesn't insult or mock Samsung, then apparently they are employed by them?!

Whatever happened to adults have a proper discussion without these childish remarks that get thrown around.

You're right, that's how it should be, but excessive fanboys and paid shills ruin it: http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/24/5023658/samsung-fined-340000-for-posting-negative-htc-reviews

I work in the industry and Samsung plays as dirty as they come. All's fair in love and war, as they say. Don't be naive.
 
Way more people care about Samsung products than Apple products (is it 2 to 1 in smart phones and a millions to zero in TVs?) Does that answer your question?

If Samsung didn't make TVs, I'd just buy a different TV and not really think about it. Nothing special about their products that would make anyone care if they went out of business.

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No, my iPhone goes one better......remote record function via wifi for youview box and remote control for my a/v receiver as well as my Apple TV. ;) (but tbf my samsung remote controls tv, ps3 :p)

You have to get special boxes just for your iPhone to communicate with them. Everything uses IR. The only thing I've got that my iPhone could control is my Apple TV.
 
If Samsung didn't make TVs, I'd just buy a different TV and not really think about it. Nothing special about their products that would make anyone care if they went out of business.

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You have to get special boxes just for your iPhone to communicate with them. Everything uses IR. The only thing I've got that my iPhone could control is my Apple TV.


No you don't. Youview boxes let you remote record and sky boxes let you change channels, fast forward, etc, over here in the UK, all via an iPhone app over wifi. No extra kit necessary. That's what the poster was meaning, which I think you misunderstood.
 
No you don't. Youview boxes let you remote record and sky boxes let you change channels, fast forward, etc, over here in the UK, all via an iPhone app over wifi. No extra kit necessary. That's what the poster was meaning, which I think you misunderstood.

And outside of the UK? >_>;
 
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And outside of the UK? >_>;


Well ymmv, but just goes to show that it can be done. I would have thought if we had this in the UK, then the yanks would have something similar, as well as other countries. Just showing you don't have to rely on old tech like IR.

Just for information. My pebble can control VLC on my mac, which is airplaying to my telly, so I can control my telly with my pebble.
 
Well ymmv, but just goes to show that it can be done. I would have thought if we had this in the UK, then the yanks would have something similar, as well as other countries. Just showing you don't have to rely on old tech like IR.

But I can control a YouView box with my android phone as well.

However, with the IR blaster thats built into my phone, I can control all my TV's and any other IR device in my house all from my mobile phone. No need to search around for remote controls.

IR isnt old tech.
 
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