I'm not sure Apple would do that now. Maybe years ago. It seems to be very much a push and fix approach.
It is a shame they didn't try that with the damn butterfly keyboards (ruining a perfectly good MacBook Air in the process).
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I'm not sure Apple would do that now. Maybe years ago. It seems to be very much a push and fix approach.
It is a shame they didn't try that with the damn butterfly keyboards (ruining a perfectly good MacBook Air in the process).
If only it were that straightforward.
With non-Apple products, the narrative is invariably: "This product is just so cool. Who cares if there isn't a market for it. The tech is amazing. Exciting."
With new Apple products: "This thing does't make any sense. There's no market for it. Flop."
It seems to me that so many critics tend to just focus on the tech in a product, and not its design. The end result is that Apple-related feedback tends to be quite negative, because it’s so hard to grasp why people buy into Apple’s vision, much less admit that people may actually like certain Apple decisions.
Same here. All I see are people gushing over hardware specs, not so much whether they even come together to create a cohesive user experience.
Is there any wonder why Apple continues to prosper despite all the criticism levelled at it?
Apple does still use employees to beta test devices, can confirm.
My problem is with charging customers $2,000 for a half-baked device just so they can see how people are going to use it.
If you don’t know how people are going to use it, and you don’t know where to go next, you’ve probably already failed at the development process. If you need a couple thousand people to figure that out, fine, but how about giving them the device to beta test instead of charging them $2,000 for the privilege.
I have never seen this. Every tech publication gushes over Apple products. The general public does as well.
It's only the more nerdy end of the spectrum - here - that expects a bit (lot) more from a company they've loyally followed for decades.
You think I would have ever dreamt of jumping ship if Apple made the product I wanted?
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Heh, I know they do. It's just that they don't test them enough. There are unacceptable flaws that should not be in X generation of any product.
Again, this would hold water if the Samsung Fold it was the only product on the market. It's not. This is a show off device for those that can afford it.
I don’t think anyone’s going to want to show off that crease.
The Fold could use another year or two in development before having the nerve to charge $2k for it, and the fact that Samsung also sells other products for less doesn’t change that.
Explain how it is your problem? Why does or should it bother you?
How do you know that Samsung "... don’t know how people are going to use it, and don’t know where to go next"?
There is an interview rolling around with a guy from Samsung stating they are excited to see what people are going to do with this new tech.
This is the usual marketing talk though.
I still don't see how this offends anyone at all. There are a ton of gadgets around the world being sold for mega bucks to those that have the cash. If people want to buy this then good luck to them.
It's not being forced on anyone.
They are not for instance removing a product from the lineup, trying to flog a more expensive version, failing to sell that and reverting to having to produce and sell a previous version.. (oh and also wiping out a large chunk of my stock value in the process).
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I think the original charging idea for the iPad Pro / Apple Pencil wears that crown.
Which is entirely different to what the other poster was infering.
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A lot of people getting hyper about the Fold.
I think they are worried that Apple may see this as a green light to ramp up prices. Although certain people in this forum see it as the more Apple charge, the merrier
I’m not offended in the least. But it’s rather apparent that Samsung rushed this out; they couldn’t even produce one decent unit to demo at an important (to them) launch. It’s not my job to congratulate Samsung for being innovative when they’re so obviously releasing a substandard product that’s not ready for prime time.
Here’s what Koh said four months ago: "When we deliver a foldable phone, it has to be really meaningful to our customer. If the user experience is not up to my standard, I don't want to deliver those kind of products.
So a screen with a visible crease down the middle, and a phone display with huge bezels, is “up to his standard” and supposed to be “really meaningful” to his customer? More likely they were afraid Huawei is ready to release their foldable, and for Samsung there’s little glory to be had announcing the world’s third foldable.
Whereas Apple sits back, toiling away quietly in their lab, improving their foldable iteratively—perfectly content to spend seven or eight years in development. Or ten; who knows when Apple will be satisfied with their foldable?
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Nice thinking outside the box by Samsung. Most original phone design in years. Steep price though for. a phone. I'm definitely curious though.
Never. Not while they can sell you an iPad, iPhone, Watch etc .
Again .Until these things actually end up in customers hands I'm going to hold back on being judgy Mc Judge.
We've all got a March keynote to get flustered over in the mean time.
You may substitute the word “criticism” if “problem” bothers you.
I have no idea what Samsung is thinking, that’s why I said “if you don’t know”. But those are the two reasons OP gave for Samsung’s deciding that yesterday was the day to launch an expensive, substandard product. AKA throwing stuff against the wall and seeing what sticks.
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"[One] single piece of media that shows this angle. (Even then, it's only for two seconds.)"
"Samsung went to painstaking lengths to avoid talking about at is 'Unpacked' keynote yesterday. It's an issue facing all folding phones, really: the fold gap."
What is Samsung so afraid to show?!?
Gapgate here we come...
"Samsung went to painstaking lengths to avoid talking about at is 'Unpacked' keynote yesterday. It's an issue facing all folding phones, really: the fold gap."
What is Samsung so afraid to show?!?
Gapgate here we come...
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Imagine how much Apple Tax would be needed for their own response to a Galaxy Fold. $3500 lol?
You don't see the forest for the trees. The only purpose of minimizing the bezels is to get the largest screen possible. Guess which phone now has by far the largest screen on the market? Galaxy Fold.
In about five years when Apple perfects their own iPhone that unfolds into a high-powered iPad Pro with iOS 17 optimized for productivity, I would much rather pay $3500 for it over $2000 for a first-generation Galaxy Fold.
In about five years time you'll still be here stating that the latest iPhone and iPad are by far the better option because X.
Huawei version looks a little more polished from a design standpoint. Since they weren’t first to market with a foldable phone and considering their biggest competitor likely has a better product, Samsung should have took more time to get it right. Now they just have a half baked product for $2,000 that nobody is going buy.
Yeah and it looks horrible along its signature fold/hinge in tablet mode. A media consumption device with controls that impact the very area of the screen a customer will be trying to avoid touching the most.
The Verge has an editorial on the compromises of Samsung's Galaxy Fold's plastic screen - - The Galaxy Fold Makes No Sense As A Consumer Device Yet.Included are two screen shots from the launch event which show:
"Samsung CEO DJ Koh holding up the Galaxy Fold. Note the highlight on the ridge in the middle and the way the two halves of the screen don’t perfectly cohere into one."
"The inner display of the device never seems to fold out to be perfectly flat."
"The Galaxy Fold leaves a gap of expectation between the promises its maker is pronouncing and the reality of its early-stage development, and it’s in that gap that consumer disappointment is born."
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I have to agree that crease in the middle should not be there, but its a first gen product that they will improve over time. Im not sure how many people will be willing to pay $2000 USD for it though.
Yeah. It’s an ugly first generation 2019 device in that could look a lot better without massive 1989 bezels on the outer screen and a butt crease on the inner screen.
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The Verge has an editorial on the compromises of Samsung's Galaxy Fold's plastic screen - - The Galaxy Fold Makes No Sense As A Consumer Device Yet.
Included are two screen shots from the launch event which show:
"Samsung CEO DJ Koh holding up the Galaxy Fold. Note the highlight on the ridge in the middle and the way the two halves of the screen don’t perfectly cohere into one."
"The inner display of the device never seems to fold out to be perfectly flat."
"The Galaxy Fold leaves a gap of expectation between the promises its maker is pronouncing and the reality of its early-stage development, and it’s in that gap that consumer disappointment is born."
Samsung Fold. From now on known as the Samsung Butt Crease.