LFC2020
macrumors P6
Agree, but made it better, the cover screen looks like a actual phone instead of a cramped candy bar screen.
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Phones Samsung Z Fold 3
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I disagree. The fold 2 has no rival. I would say apple but Samsung has one limped leg up on them
LFC2020
macrumors P6
Agree, but the front screen is still disappointing, it’s still the same as the fold 2, most reviewers are still saying it’s too cramped and they’re making typos using the keyboard.
Same will probably say about apples design of the iPhone 13
Plus I love to draw so I rarely use the outer screen
LFC2020
macrumors P6
Asking that much for a foldable with such a narrow screen is a no go for me, if apple made the front screen that narrow, I wouldn’t go near it, Huawei is the only company to get the foldable right in my opinion.
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The Huawei phone is pretty much a two handed phone folded or unfolded. If your going to use two hands folded, might as well use the phone unfolded. I personally would like Samsung to make the the cover display slight bigger, but not as wide as Huawei. Also, Huawei doesn't have a camera on the fold display.
Abazigal
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Seems like a catch 22. There’s not much Samsung can do to get companies to optimise their apps for the fold while it still has a fairly low install base. Seems like this is one of those tradeoffs you are going to have to accept as an early adopter.
Flossy Carter seems to suggest in his real review the camera is lacking and why he suggests having a 2nd phone for when you need good quality photos. He mentioned this in his pixel 5a review
This is the issue I feel for those who don’t care that’s fine but for the price I would want the best cameras and not need to use another phone for those photos
This is the issue I feel for those who don’t care that’s fine but for the price I would want the best cameras and not need to use another phone for those photos
If it's equivalent or only slightly better than the Fold 2, then I'm satisfied. Camera tech from two gen ago still doesn't disappoint. The only sacrifice I feel is the zoom. I hope Samsung brings that to that to the 4. 2x is pretty much a joke.
Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
I could definitely see the outer screen being cramped for typing. I found the iPhone X too narrow and made so many typing errors. I suppose it depends how often you use the outer display vs the inner one and what you use it for.
mjschabow
macrumors 603
100%. No way I’m spending $1,800 for a phone that doesn’t have the best camera on the market. Yeah I know it’s new technology but still…
lympero
macrumors 6502a
I’m also thinking of getting a fold3 as a second device along with my 11 pro max since I’m mostly bored with what apple is offering right now.
Initially, i was thinking of upgrading to 13 pro max but going from 11 to 13 pro max wouldnt feel much of an upgrade, so this year I’ll only upgrade my apple watch and start exploring the Android again.
Initially, i was thinking of upgrading to 13 pro max but going from 11 to 13 pro max wouldnt feel much of an upgrade, so this year I’ll only upgrade my apple watch and start exploring the Android again.
Aneres11
macrumors 601
Then you probably won't be getting a foldable device from anyone anytime soon. There's always tradeoffs with new form factors.
Ludatyk
macrumors 604
Facts! The camera won’t be the latest and greatest in foldable devices… there has to be tradeoffs in order to get to a certain price point.
The price might be over 2k if Samsung put in S21 Ultra camera tech in the Fold3. If anything my request for Samsung would be to remove the UDC all together.. no camera on the inner display. And give Fold users 40MP front facing camera on the outer display. And nice photos @Zwhaler.
It's definitely too cramped for most typing. But one handed short typing using swipe, works very well. Anything longer than a sentence or two, and I'm just unfolding it.
Early reports are that the Fold 3 preorders are 10x that of the Fold 2 and 2x that of the S21 line. Looks like this is the first foldable that will be semi mainstream.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
Because there is a significant amount of the case exposed without being backed by phone or anything solid, that's when the phone is open as pictured below. I'm not sure what material the case is made out of, but either it will be flimsy and will bend, or will be sturdy and it will break. I'm not saying that will happen to you in particular, I'm sure if you are careful with your phones and cases you will be ok. But personally that case, in particular the front cover, would never survive with my usage. What Samsung should have done was simply provide a fold in that front cover and magnetized the cover so the folded part would stay put, that would put it out of the way. I'm definitely open to be corrected here as I don't have a case in hand, but it sure looks like that front cover doesn't fold, well fold on purpose at least.
I hear you on the silo thing, I don't disagree, but I think it's just one of those things that consumers appreciate but probably don't care enough to get riled up over. My first windows tablet was a Samsug tablet, this was one of the very first true windows tablets with the mobile cpu's, that had a wacom passive pen in a silo that was just a tiny bit larger than the Note series. I remember it well because it worked with my Note at the time and I could use either pen with either device, now that was true convenience. It still eludes me why a pen silo isn't more valued, I would theorize that it's because there are 2 types of travelers. One brings a bag with them, and can put all kinds of stuff into the bag such as chargers and pens, so for them it's not an issue. The 2nd traveler just doesn't use the pen very much and doesn't care if it doesn't get brought along. Unfortunately I'm right in the middle where I'm a frequent traveler, but often don't have a bag, but do highly value bringing a pen with me. I can stick it into a pocket but then I have to worry about it breaking in half when I sit down, and frequently putting it into and out of my pocket if I'm trying to take notes while moving about room to room in a hospital, just as one example. With a silo it's just there, pop it out, use it, and put it right back where it belongs. For the active pens that need charging the case scenario is that much more compelling in that it will always be charged up for use. That's actually another point, having to plug the pen in every night if I use it a lot, well there's another charging cable/brick and remembering to actually do it (if I can even find an outlet).
As much as I agree with you otherwise, I just don't see that MKBHD as one sided at all, I also don't see the Apple bias many think he has. It's a very fair review that to me was VERY favorable towards the Fold series and what's the series is trying to accomplish.
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spinedoc77
macrumors G4
You are most likely right that users would go for a bigger battery, but personally I don't understand worrying about another 6 minutes of run time. Well I haven't done the math, but I couldn't see them getting much more space than what a silo takes up. The other factor is battery improvements, the Fold 3's inner screen is 25% more efficient than the Fold 2. Those improvements let them have more freedom with making decisions like that, and it looks like they chose the Fold 3 to be just a tiny tiny bit thinner and lighter in exchange for a tiny bit of battery life. I suppose the thickness/weight of the Fold series is a pretty important factor so I can see the sense of that decision.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
Same here, got the Fedex saying Wednesday but I'm hoping maybe a day or 2 early.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
Very interesting. I definitely like Huawei's design a bit better, the one handed weight balance makes sense, although I'm assuming they had a larger need for it with a wider phone. It looks like the screen closes much closer together without the gap the Fold 2/3 has as well. I would hate to lose the inner camera though, I don't see that as a good move, even as crappy as Samsung's may be (although we don't know if the inner camera is crappy or might be surprisingly good, it does let in twice as much light as its predecessor). I'll still take a crappy camera over none any day of the week, especially seeing how nice it works with video conferencing and flex mode.
spinedoc77
macrumors G4
That's the one plus I've had on the closed screen Fold, that it's actually usable one handed, and I have fairly large hands. The typing does stink, there is no way to get around that unless they can improve predictability of the keyboard. Sliding letter to letter works perfectly, but hunt and peck I get some errors that are annoying. But keep in mind we are comparing this largely to the Max iPhones, the screen size on the Fold's is pretty much the same width as the non Max iPhones. I'm holding my Fold 2 next to my wife's non Max iPhone and don't think there is more than a mm or 2 difference. I make just as many mistakes on her phone that I do on the Fold's outer screen.
But for swiping all the way across, one handed typing, and reaching all the way across the screen with my finger I would have to say the Fold when closed is a dream to use. No more balancing the phone just to get my thumb across the screen, especially with Apple's horrible and disjointed system of navigating back.
Edit: Just wanted to add another thought, touch typing is actually EASIER on the narrower screen if you are doing it one handed. No more precariously balancing the phone on your hand as you try to reach across the keyboard with your thumb for the number or shift key!
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