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Samsung's 2019 AirPlay 2-Compatible QLED TVs Now Available for Purchase
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Resorting the "childish response" response, because there's nothing else to say when getting presented with facts, and not allowing you to deflect from my original comment. Bone crushing check. Next.
Thought I'd give my 2 cents on the QLED discussion.
A year ago I decided to get a Nvidia BFGD (65" 4K 120Hz monitor) as my main monitor.
I waited and waited for it to be released until I decided to go for a TV instead.
I checked out LG:s latest high-end OLED offerings, and Samsung Q9F in the store and compared visual quality.
I really wanted OLED, because... OLED is awesome! But I was worried about burn-in since I'll be using it as a computer monitor first and foremost.
The difference was indiscernible, and it made clear to me that QLED was a lot better than normal LCD.
Colors were as good as OLED. Brightness was great, better than OLED. No risk of burn-in. Local array backlight ensures complete darkness, although not per-pixel perfect like OLED.
Another thing I valued was frame rate, since I will also use the TV for PC gaming. LG supports 120Hz at 1080p, but Samsung supports 120Hz at 1440p.
I weighed pros and cons and decided to go for QLED.
Then Samsung announced their 8K line, to be launched just weeks later, with HDMI 2.1 support to be added in 2019 (through a free hardware upgrade) which hopefully includes 4K at 120Hz. And the brightness was 3000 nits.
I decided I'd get one.
I now have a Samsung Q900R 65" hooked up as my main computer monitor.
So, am I happy with it? Yes.
Does it make my Acer X34A (which is a beast) cry? Yes.
Is it perfect? No.
Does it beat OLED in every way? No.
Does it beat normal LED in every way? Yes, oh yes.
Compared to OLED, it can suffer for example if there are white subtitles on a dark background. Local array backlighting can't handle that, and there is a halo around it. If there is a space scene with stars, the stars will be dimmer than they are supposed to be.
But that is the only con.
Local array backlighting + 3000 nits brightness combined with HDR content is almost jaw dropping. There is nothing else on the market that comes close, and I guarantee you that it is not a marketing gimmick.
I sit about 3-4 feet away from the TV. The move from 4K to 8K moves us into "higher resolution that the eye can perceive" territory, even when close to the screen. I'd say that the HDR performance makes for a MUCH larger impact than 8K though, and I'm sure I would've been happy with 4K as well in that regard.
BUT, 8K enables me to have pixel perfect 1440p.
4K signal = 1 pixel in the signal becomes 2x2 pixels on screen.
1440p signal = 1 pixel in the signal becomes 3x3 pixels on screen.
1080p signal = 1 pixel in the signal becomes 4x4 pixels on screen.
So now I get pixel perfect sharpness at 120Hz while gaming, and pixel perfect sharpness at 4K 60Hz when working.
And this is the main reason 8K is great for me. Until we get HDMI 2.1 and GPU:s can handle all games at 4K 120Hz.
Sorry for long post
A year ago I decided to get a Nvidia BFGD (65" 4K 120Hz monitor) as my main monitor.
I waited and waited for it to be released until I decided to go for a TV instead.
I checked out LG:s latest high-end OLED offerings, and Samsung Q9F in the store and compared visual quality.
I really wanted OLED, because... OLED is awesome! But I was worried about burn-in since I'll be using it as a computer monitor first and foremost.
The difference was indiscernible, and it made clear to me that QLED was a lot better than normal LCD.
Colors were as good as OLED. Brightness was great, better than OLED. No risk of burn-in. Local array backlight ensures complete darkness, although not per-pixel perfect like OLED.
Another thing I valued was frame rate, since I will also use the TV for PC gaming. LG supports 120Hz at 1080p, but Samsung supports 120Hz at 1440p.
I weighed pros and cons and decided to go for QLED.
Then Samsung announced their 8K line, to be launched just weeks later, with HDMI 2.1 support to be added in 2019 (through a free hardware upgrade) which hopefully includes 4K at 120Hz. And the brightness was 3000 nits.
I decided I'd get one.
I now have a Samsung Q900R 65" hooked up as my main computer monitor.
So, am I happy with it? Yes.
Does it make my Acer X34A (which is a beast) cry? Yes.
Is it perfect? No.
Does it beat OLED in every way? No.
Does it beat normal LED in every way? Yes, oh yes.
Compared to OLED, it can suffer for example if there are white subtitles on a dark background. Local array backlighting can't handle that, and there is a halo around it. If there is a space scene with stars, the stars will be dimmer than they are supposed to be.
But that is the only con.
Local array backlighting + 3000 nits brightness combined with HDR content is almost jaw dropping. There is nothing else on the market that comes close, and I guarantee you that it is not a marketing gimmick.
I sit about 3-4 feet away from the TV. The move from 4K to 8K moves us into "higher resolution that the eye can perceive" territory, even when close to the screen. I'd say that the HDR performance makes for a MUCH larger impact than 8K though, and I'm sure I would've been happy with 4K as well in that regard.
BUT, 8K enables me to have pixel perfect 1440p.
4K signal = 1 pixel in the signal becomes 2x2 pixels on screen.
1440p signal = 1 pixel in the signal becomes 3x3 pixels on screen.
1080p signal = 1 pixel in the signal becomes 4x4 pixels on screen.
So now I get pixel perfect sharpness at 120Hz while gaming, and pixel perfect sharpness at 4K 60Hz when working.
And this is the main reason 8K is great for me. Until we get HDMI 2.1 and GPU:s can handle all games at 4K 120Hz.
Sorry for long post
I admit, Samsung makes a really nice LED TV, as I own three of them in my household. One of them being one of their latest 4K TVs. But it’s all marketing, that’s exactly what ‘QLED’ is, I don’t think consumers generally even care what that stands for, they just want a TV that looks good to their eyes and is in their budget range. TV manufacturers can market as much as they want, consumers generally just purchase the overall size that is suitable for that particular room and price range. [Of course there is the exception of where you have those who are more ‘tech spec’ oriented, and they do want some of the highest quality TVs that are produced.]
Article Link: Samsung's 2019 AirPlay 2-Compatible QLED TVs Now Available for Purchase[/QUOTE]
OLED VS QLED EXPLAINED
https://www.cepro.com/article/oled_vs._qled
OLED VS QLED EXPLAINED
https://www.cepro.com/article/oled_vs._qled
So many people in this thread who know absolutely nothing about TV technology, it's embarrassing.
These QLED vs OLED debates are even more childish than Mac vs PC and iOS vs Android.
These are 2 different techs for 2 different customers. One is not better than the other. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
These are 2 different techs for 2 different customers. One is not better than the other. Each has its strengths and weaknesses.
People who need more information on QLED since some don't know what it is.....
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/09/19/what-is-qled-and-why-does-it-matter/#4694fa5d7fb3
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/09/19/what-is-qled-and-why-does-it-matter/#4694fa5d7fb3
Way to add something to the discussion by just randomly saying that as if you're a source of knowledge.
The reason Samsung called their tech QLED is clear as day.
You need to read this too!!!!! Thoroughly
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2017/09/19/what-is-qled-and-why-does-it-matter/#4694fa5d7fb3
What's embarrassing is that you attack others but offer no details to support your attack … embarrassing is probably not the correct term … it's pathetic.
QLED is NOT (let me emphasize that by YELLING) the same as OLED; so learn something about the differences between QLED and OLED before you spout off and attack others.
With the slow development pace of the AppleTV it’s no wonder it’s a dead end. It started as an hobby and probably will end like one. Like most Apple’s hard- and software these days. Developments from competitors are running circles around Apple these days.
Name one category Apple is still king and compare that with the situation back in 2012. You’ve to wonder what Apple has been doing all this time. The great things in the pipeline promised by Timmy years ago seem all being stuck in his famous pipeline.
I actually think the Apple TV 4K is the best TV streaming platform on the market. It has the best UI, attractive and ad-free. I love their TV app that offers an aggregated content UI (as opposed to the app-based UI of the home screen). There's a greater level of consistency in playback controls and on-screen UI between major apps on Apple TV than is the case on Roku or Fire TV. Plus, ATV4K supports Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, automatic frame rate and dynamic range switching, plus zero- or single-sign-on for many TV providers. The hardware is clearly more powerful than most streaming devices, so it has plenty of horsepower for slick apps, even including some pretty decent-looking video games. The addition of Apple's upcoming original TV content, plus the integration of premium add-on subscriptions, will make the next version of the TV app even better.
Apple TV's problem isn't its quality, it's the much lower prices of competing (inferior) devices from Roku and Amazon, which subsidize their hardware through ads and other means. Even at $180, the ATV4K reportedly sells at about a break-even price. If Apple were to lower the price much, they'd be selling it at a loss. And that only makes sense if Apple believes that doing so would help increase revenue from services (subscriptions and app sales).
Maybe a better way for Apple to grow the ecosystem would be to sell a cheap ($29-$39) Apple AirPlay 2 Receiver dongle/stick with HDMI and 3.5mm audio outputs. Folks could connect it to TVs, A/V receivers and stand-alone speakers to easily and inexpensively create a whole-home system for video and audio content delivered through their iPhones, iPads and Macs. It would basically be like a combined Chromecast and Chromecast Audio, but for Apple's ecosystem, not Google's.
While I agree with you on most points I think it’s important to note that some of us have had to refer to those online calculators to convince our significant others of the importance of buying a certain television.
Never discount science!
I am so disappointed that Samsung isn’t supporting homekit on their TV’s. I love how their QLED TV’s can lay flat against a wall when mounted and the super thin cord is great for cable managment. I don’t see why they’d support AirPlay 2 but skimp on the homekit part. Also wish Samsung would support Dolby Vision and not just HDR10+. Maybe I need to find a Samsung forum to complain on.
I am so disappointed that Samsung isn’t supporting homekit on their TV’s. I love how their QLED TV’s can lay flat against a wall when mounted and the super thin cord is great for cable managment. I don’t see why they’d support AirPlay 2 but skimp on the homekit part. Also wish Samsung would support Dolby Vision and not just HDR10+. Maybe I need to find a Samsung forum to complain on.
Dolby Vision is a premium feature. Simple fact, I think, is Samsung just isn’t a premium TV brand. QLED is a joke meant to confuse consumers into thinking they’re getting something comparable to OLED, which they don’t want to pay LG for. Dolby Vision requires licensing, while HDR10 is open source.
Especially now that that Samsung is exiting the optical disc player market, I wouldn’t expect them to stay on the cutting edge for features like Dolby Vision. Videophiles will go elsewhere.
It’s short for Quantum Dot LED. These screens support 95% of the P3 gamut so they are excellent monitor replacements too if you want a massive screen and macOS has the color profiles already calibrated to 6500K. QLED won’t have any burn in or image retention.
‘OLED’ will suffer from burn-in if you use them with a computer. Some menu bar items will be seen burned into the display when you turn the screen off.
Micro LED is up next. MLED.
Every year we see the same repeated arguments as if people lack self awareness. LED Vs LCD. OLED Vs QLED. Mac Vs Windows. Intel Vs AMD. PPC Vs x86.
Some self professed expert comes along. Demands everyone believes his physics and facts defying beliefs should be taken seriously. 'Samsung is in a vast conspiracy to confuse us with QLED. 'This 6-8 core CPU shouldn't throttle in such a slim case. It's a massive conspiracy by Apple. Surely not Intel's fault'. 'Apple is in a vast conspiracy against Nvidia graphics. Has nothing to do with Nvidia's crap drivers or legal cases.' Ad nauseum.
On websites like WCCFTECH maybe 90% of the comments are generated by bots who are off topic or messed up when they try to be on topic. Humans can be duped by such bots and repost the nonsense on computer forums like this. Sometimes I think comments should be banned as they are a waste of bandwidth and electricity and people behave more sensibly when they go meet real people in person to talk about their hobbies.
You’re implying that people who go into a store with a grand or two in their pocket are too dumb to ask what is the difference between a Q and an O or read online reviews. Give them more credit than that.
That makes a lot of sense on the Dolby Vision side of the argument. It’s strange how my low budget Vizio tv has Dolby Vision. I would totally go OLED if that tech didn’t have to be babied so much. I have a 2 year old that keeps me busy and there are times I pause a YouTube video or something to keep up with her. I’d hate to spend 3.5K on an OLED and burn the screen... I was hoping to get a QLED and skip OLED tech for the next 4 or 5 years until MicroLED takes off. The thing about Samsung’s QLED tv’s that attracts my attention is the low latency and it’s “flat to the wall” wall mount. That thin cord for cable managment is also super nice.