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Well, a month apart spaced announcements doesn't mean that much. It's not like Apple copied the whole phone from LG after LG announced it, as Google and Samsung did. Android changed from a RIM copy (then the market leader) to an iPhoneOS (the new inovation leader) copy. It might be that it was the other way around, LG learnt about it from some Apple leak, but since LG's phone was an order of magnitude less sophisticated, it was announced before.

Once again, dont post without research. Google did NOT change the design of Android to look like iOS after it was announced, the stock Android look has been around since at least 2006, when it was pre-release. Go back a page and read up!
 
So as an AAPL investor (which I also am) and an American (which I also am), you have no distaste or alarm for a company ripping off Apple's (and others') IP, giving it away for free (under the banner of "Open Source") to Asian manufactures, who then ape Apple's industrial design work (add insult to injury) to flood the market with cheap (or expensive) knockoffs, diverting American profits to Korea and Taiwan, all in the interest of pimping its customers to advertisers?

Really?

What you call heavy-handed tactics I call justifiable (and necessary) self-defense.



If Google can't stand on its own merits, it deserves to be crushed.

I guess my concept of "competition" is different from yours.

Remember how Billy Gates ripped off the Mac OS and created Windows? How did all that turn out for the technology world in general? Were we all winners?



Again, read the legal documentation. This silly chestnut that Apple is simply trying to copyright a rounded triangle is good for chuckles and virtual high-fives on Engadget and other Fandroid-dominated websites, but it has nothing to do with the actual case at large.

Most definitely, yes. Also, to quote Bill himself:

"Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it."​

Truth of the day.
 
For those still adamant that Android has 'ripped' iOS, please provide a LIST of every single thing Android has ripped.

Bearing in mind, this is what android 'stock' roughly looks like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nexus_S.png

Place your proof in a nice list, and feel free to add links to comparison images.

Also, remember that the 'button look/feel/interface' was in Android before iOS released, despite what a few uneducated people may think.
 
For those still adamant that Android has 'ripped' iOS, please provide a LIST of every single thing Android has ripped.

Bearing in mind, this is what android 'stock' roughly looks like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nexus_S.png

Place your proof in a nice list, and feel free to add links to comparison images.

Also, remember that the 'button look/feel/interface' was in Android before iOS released, despite what a few uneducated people may think.

This. Android ICS looks nothing like iOS.
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Um, apparently you've never heard of a little Apple device called the Newton?



Hmm, maybe Hyundai should just clone the exterior design of the Porsche Carrera and sell it for $20k? I mean, you can't really protect something as abstract as a design, right?

:rolleyes:

No one is saying Samsung can't create a device that has a "sleek design." What Apple (and apparently the courts, thus far) is saying is Samsung should create their own "sleek design" and not just copy that of others.

It's the Asian manufacturers' complete industrial design ineptitude you Android fans should be upset about. Not the fact that Apple is seeking legal protection for its own work.

But hey, whatever. Some people are content with lame knockoffs and stolen American IP given away for free to Asian companies in the name of advertising dollars. What are you gonna do.

Lord Judge, i present - Exhibit A, the Simon. Shown 1992, launched 1993 (picture is wrong).
IDEOS-and-Simon.jpg


I guess they too had a time machine. Everyone seems to nowadays. At least when Apple is involved.

p.s. this is getting boring.
 
But hey, whatever. Some people are content with lame knockoffs and stolen American IP given away for free to Asian companies in the name of advertising dollars. What are you gonna do.

Still waiting for what IP was stolen. Hell, I'll even accept features instead of the legal definition of IP. Anything.

If you want to say that Samsung also made a rectangle with some computery bits inside, note that the iPad was not the first tablet designed with a slim form factor and a single button by a long shot.
 
Still waiting for what IP was stolen. Hell, I'll even accept features instead of the legal definition of IP. Anything.

If you want to say that Samsung also made a rectangle with some computery bits inside, note that the iPad was not the first tablet designed with a slim form factor and a single button by a long shot.

Again, read the legal documents pertaining to the case. No one has to restate all of Apple's legal arguments on this forum to the Fandroids' satisfaction.

Perhaps you guys should contact Samsung and offer them some legal advice? You seem to have all the answers.
 
Again, read the legal documents pertaining to the case. No one has to restate all of Apple's legal arguments on this forum to the Fandroids' satisfaction.

Legal documents in this case shows a sentence where is proved that Samsung infringes Apple's IP?

Can you link to it?
 
Lord Judge, i present - Exhibit A, the Simon. Shown 1992, launched 1993 (picture is wrong).

Um, yeah, the Apple Newton MessagePad launched in 1993, development started in 1987. I suppose Apple copied the Simon? (Whatever that was.) :rolleyes:

p.s. this is getting boring.

I can see that dealing with factual information is tedious to you.

Round and around we go. Apple copied Palm, who copied Apple (Newton), who copied Simon (LOL!), who copied Microsoft (Windows), who copied Apple (Mac), who copied Xerox (PARC) - ignoring as always the fact Apple actually provided Xerox financial compensation for the use and further development of its ideas. (The Apple haters never like to recognize that historical fact - it wrecks their narrative.)

This is where it typically ends up. I'll save you the trouble.

Legal documents in this case shows a sentence where is proved that Samsung infringes Apple's IP?

Can you link to it?

I'm not here to do your legal research or help you prove a negative. There is an actual court case with actual legal arguments that deal with the actual issues being discussed here. You're free to dig into the meat of the matter or await the court's decision, your choice.

I'm sure the judge will come to his senses after reading the brilliant legal insight provided in this thread. They should argue all court cases this way. :rolleyes:
 
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Um, yeah, the Apple Newton MessagePad launched in 1993, development started in 1987. I suppose Apple copied the Simon? (Whatever that was.) :rolleyes:

Um, yeah, the Android G1 launched in 2008, development started in 2003. I suppose Google copied the iPhone? (Whatever that was.) :rolleyes:


Ups, it works both ways

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I'm not here to do your legal research or help you prove a negative. There is an actual court case with actual legal arguments that deal with the actual issues being discussed here. You're free to dig into the meat of the matter or await the court's decision, your choice.

Ah, you're backpedaling and there is no sentence so when you have said that Samsung has stolen Apple IP in this case is totally wrong.

I'm sure the judge will come to his senses after reading the brilliant legal insight provided in this thread. They should argue all court cases this way. :rolleyes:

Well, brilliant legal insight applies to what are you saying?
 
Most definitely, yes. Also, to quote Bill himself:

"Well, Steve, I think there's more than one way of looking at it. I think it's more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen it."​

Truth of the day.

Heh, I didn't even notice you had already posted this tired old chestnut. Big surprise.

Here's the "truth of the day": Steve's neighbor invited him over for dinner, Steve brought a nice bottle of wine, talked with the neighbor about his cool new TV and liked it so much he offered to buy it (and the neighbor accepted).

Bill Gates was ticked that he wasn't invited for dinner and was jealous of Steve's new TV, so he broke into Steve's house, and stole the TV and peed on the rug.

Those are the facts, if you care to look them up.


Ah, you're backpedaling and there is no sentence so when you have said that Samsung has stolen Apple IP in this case is totally wrong.

Actually, based on the fact that Samsung is not allowed to sell this product in Australia right now shows that I'm totally right. Until the judge decides otherwise.
 
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Nexus devices are pure Android.
Samsung can't "tweak it".

Read again. I was the one stating the Nexus was pure 'stock' Android. The Galaxy 4.0 release is different. Google even distribute two separate SDK releases. A 'Google Android 4.0' and a 'Samsung Galaxy 4.0'.
 
Actually, based on the fact that Samsung is not allowed to sell this product in Australia right now shows that I'm totally right. Until the judge decides otherwise.

Ah, you're admiting that you hadn't read the judge paper for the injuction and because of that you have no idea of what you're talinkg about.

please, if you are just trolling you can say it, people won't waste the time trying to argue with you when it's clear that you don't know nothing about the Australian case.

P.S. A clue, the injuction is not because is proven that Samsung has infringed nothing
 
This appeal is absurd. Samsung should not only be facing an injunction, but they should also have to pay damages for losses suffered by Apple. The fact remains that the galaxy tab is a cheap knock off of the iPad and the shameless copying has created massive amounts of negative public opinion against both brands based on Samsung's egregious misrepresentation of its own product.
 
Hmm, maybe Hyundai should just clone the exterior design of the Porsche Carrera and sell it for $20k? I mean, you can't really protect something as abstract as a design, right?

:rolleyes:

It's been done before.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40167-2004Feb13.html

From the article:

"For example, Mercedes-Benz executives were shocked at last year's Frankfurt Auto Show when they saw a black Amanti roll into the driveway of the Intercontinental Hotel.

"That looks like one of ours!" said a Mercedes-Benz official

"No," said another Mercedes-Benz executive. "I'll be [expletive]! That's a Kia!"

PS: nobody got sued ;)
 
This appeal is absurd. Samsung should not only be facing an injunction, but they should also have to pay damages for losses suffered by Apple. The fact remains that the galaxy tab is a cheap knock off of the iPad and the shameless copying has created massive amounts of negative public opinion against both brands based on Samsung's egregious misrepresentation of its own product.

And exactly why is a cheap knock off?
 
Don't understand why so many Android supporters came to this forum to post anti-iOS stuff. I never bothered to go a android forum to do the same thing.
 
Actually, based on the fact that Samsung is not allowed to sell this product in Australia right now shows that I'm totally right.

On the contrary, Oletros' response to you was right about everything.

No decision has been made by the judge as to whether or not any IP was infringed.

She simply used Australian legal precedent to (just barely) uphold a preliminary injunction against Samsung based on her decisions that, while either party could prevail, Apple would probably be hurt more (by the lack of an injunction) if they later won the case.
 
On the contrary, Oletros' response to you was right about everything.

No decision has been made by the judge as to whether or not any IP was infringed.

She simply used Australian legal precedent to (just barely) uphold a preliminary injunction against Samsung based on her decisions that, while either party could prevail, Apple would probably be hurt more (by the lack of an injunction) if they later won the case.

Yes, which I stated in the part of my quote you omitted: "Until the judge decides otherwise."

If the legal claims were as silly as the Android fans here claim, would a preliminary injunction have been granted at all? Unlikely.
 
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