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It's not that. I am pretty sure the machine is very powerful. However, there are more dynamics that go into a hand bending the phone vs a machine bending a phone. I don't think the average human hand can apply the same force as that machine did. (just look at it, the phone was locked in place and was applied pressure to it). It's more interesting to see a person bending it with his two hands, is all.

Bending by hand is not accurately measurable. It cannot be use the same amount of force each and every time. As interesting as it might look, it is not in the least a scientific test.
 
Bending by hand is not accurately measurable. It cannot be use the same amount of force each and every time. As interesting as it might look, it is not in the least a scientific test.

While that is true, i think in the real world, you'd meet forces equivalent to hand bending than machine bending (probably even less). It's really not all that interesting that a phone can bend with machines. The machine is a machine and can apply pressure evenly. Eventually, the phone WILL bend. I avoided all the machine bending videos of the iPhones last year. However, with hands, you cannot tell if the phone will or will not bend. Of course, you have to weigh in the biased factor and whether the bender is applying less or more pressure based on the phone he's bending.
 
Appke making fun of competitors also makes them sound desperate.

Which they've done before, but of course that's ok. But if Apple is the one being made fun of, then OMG let's call CNN and get #LeaveAppleAlone trending on Twitter. The hypocrisy is just baffling. Apple can make fun of competitors all day long. If some major flaw was on the GS6, Apple would have no problem using that to their advantage and the Apple fans would love every bit of it. Phil Schiller would make some smart ass holier than thou comment about said flaw and the Apple fathful would eat it up. They wouldn't say "damn apple, stop making fun of Samsung. That's not cool". Instead, many of them would think it was the coolest thing ever. But when the shoe is on the other foot and its Apple being targeted, then all of sudden it's wrong? Yeah ok lol.
 
Which they've done before, but of course that's ok. But if Apple is the one being made fun of, then OMG let's call CNN and get #LeaveAppleAlone trending on Twitter. The hypocrisy is just baffling. Apple can make fun of competitors all day long. If some major flaw was on the GS6, Apple would have no problem using that to their advantage and the Apple fans would love every bit of it. Phil Schiller would make some smart ass holier than thou comment about said flaw and the Apple fathful would eat it up. They wouldn't say "damn apple, stop making fun of Samsung. That's not cool". Instead, many of them would think it was the coolest thing ever. But when the shoe is on the other foot and its Apple being targeted, then all of sudden it's wrong? Yeah ok lol.
100 percent truth. And they don't see the hypocrisy in themselves. It's a shame honestly.
 
While that is true, i think in the real world, you'd meet forces equivalent to hand bending than machine bending (probably even less). It's really not all that interesting that a phone can bend with machines. The machine is a machine and can apply pressure evenly. Eventually, the phone WILL bend. I avoided all the machine bending videos of the iPhones last year. However, with hands, you cannot tell if the phone will or will not bend. Of course, you have to weigh in the biased factor and whether the bender is applying less or more pressure based on the phone he's bending.

They could make the machine replicate the pressure of an average human hand strength. Its likely human strength alone is not going to provide enough data to make scientific testing feasible or accurate enough.
 
Did the "I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC." commercials make apple sound desperate?

Wow, you can post a comment and it spins all over the place. My apologies if Apple has made fun of Samsung users in commercials. I was not aware of Apple making fun of Samsung customers and that was what my post said. I also said I do not blame Samsung one bit because that is what second place always does. Apple is focusing on the craftsmanship of their products and not poking fun. However, if I am wrong and Apple is still poking fun at other companies - my apologies. I always thought it was bush-league to try to get business by mocking actual people instead of focusing on their own product.

I remember those commercials back in the 2007 range or whenever it was... it was kinda funny and back then I mostly used Windows and everyone hated Microsoft. Still was funny but I honestly don't remember Apple attacking the actual customers in commercials. That would cause people to take offense. I was actually ripped by a Samsung fan for referencing 2007 range as irrelevant with today.

Anyway... pick my response apart and twist.
 
Heh - - the mods locked the other Samsung bending thread - - ironic after MacRumors allowed over 500 (!) pages of bickering over the same type of trumped up story last Fall.
 
Wow, you can post a comment and it spins all over the place. My apologies if Apple has made fun of Samsung users in commercials. I was not aware of Apple making fun of Samsung customers and that was what my post said. I also said I do not blame Samsung one bit because that is what second place always does. Apple is focusing on the craftsmanship of their products and not poking fun. However, if I am wrong and Apple is still poking fun at other companies - my apologies. I always thought it was bush-league to try to get business by mocking actual people instead of focusing on their own product.

I remember those commercials back in the 2007 range or whenever it was... it was kinda funny and back then I mostly used Windows and everyone hated Microsoft. Still was funny but I honestly don't remember Apple attacking the actual customers in commercials. That would cause people to take offense. I was actually ripped by a Samsung fan for referencing 2007 range as irrelevant with today.

Anyway... pick my response apart and twist.

Apple totally attacked the customer with those PC vs Mac ads, they were quite insulting. I didn't take them personally, what do I care what multi billion dollar companies fight over? But basically they said if you had a mac you were the cool and suave Justin long, and If you had a PC you were the bumbling idiot john Hodgeman, and they really played up those stereotypes.

Now this was in 2007, does anyone care about something 8 years ago? Additionally I personally think Samsung should have kept its mouth shut, but don't see it as a big deal at all either way.
 
Apple totally attacked the customer with those PC vs Mac ads, they were quite insulting. I didn't take them personally, what do I care what multi billion dollar companies fight over? But basically they said if you had a mac you were the cool and suave Justin long, and If you had a PC you were the bumbling idiot john Hodgeman, and they really played up those stereotypes.

Now this was in 2007, does anyone care about something 8 years ago? Additionally I personally think Samsung should have kept its mouth shut, but don't see it as a big deal at all either way.

I've never seen where those commercials attacked the customer. One person portrayed the Apple and the other the PC/Windows. While in those ads, it showed Windows/PC had problems, it never portrayed the user as stupid, because it was always had Windows/PC as the cause. While a lot of the Samsung ads, showed Apple customers as faddish or stupid. Big difference.
 
I've never seen where those commercials attacked the customer. One person portrayed the Apple and the other the PC/Windows. While in those ads, it showed Windows/PC had problems, it never portrayed the user as stupid, because it was always had Windows/PC as the cause. While a lot of the Samsung ads, showed Apple customers as faddish or stupid. Big difference.

They purposely made the Windows persona a bumbling, less than intelligent, slightly middle aged overweight "office geek", while making Apple the "young, attractive, intelligent everyday person"

It was subtle. But it was absolutely a dig at the user by way of personification. Brilliant marketing, But still a dig at the user
 
They purposely made the Windows persona a bumbling, less than intelligent, slightly middle aged overweight "office geek", while making Apple the "young, attractive, intelligent everyday person"

It was subtle. But it was absolutely a dig at the user by way of personification. Brilliant marketing, But still a dig at the user

They never were made out to represent customers. In fact, at the beginning of each commercial it says : "Hello I'm a Mac / I'm a PC" not "Hello I'm a MAC / I'm a PC customer"
 
I've never seen where those commercials attacked the customer. One person portrayed the Apple and the other the PC/Windows. While in those ads, it showed Windows/PC had problems, it never portrayed the user as stupid, because it was always had Windows/PC as the cause. While a lot of the Samsung ads, showed Apple customers as faddish or stupid. Big difference.

Come on, you can really look at John Hodgemans character and not say that's an attack? Slovenly, dumb, out of fashion clothes, bumbling, just utterly uncool and that much worse when put next to Justin Long. Maybe not "stupid", although that's mainly an inference and I suppose it's in the eye of the consumer who watches the commercial. Although I cannot fathom how someone would not see that as a put down. Now let me repeat, I personally was not offended, but the obvious nature of the ad was, well obvious. I mean without the caricature the ads would be worthless.

I don't think the Samsung commercials portrayed Apple consumers as stupid necessarily. Faddish yes, but that is true (I'M KIDDING, KIDDING). Maybe it portrayed them like the PC guy on the PC vs. Mac commercials, bumbling around for somewhere to plug their phone in, not stupid but not having made the best purchasing decision.
 
Come on, you can really look at John Hodgemans character and not say that's an attack? Slovenly, dumb, out of fashion clothes, bumbling, just utterly uncool and that much worse when put next to Justin Long. Maybe not "stupid", although that's mainly an inference and I suppose it's in the eye of the consumer who watches the commercial. Although I cannot fathom how someone would not see that as a put down. Now let me repeat, I personally was not offended, but the obvious nature of the ad was, well obvious. I mean without the caricature the ads would be worthless.

I don't think the Samsung commercials portrayed Apple consumers as stupid necessarily. Faddish yes, but that is true (I'M KIDDING, KIDDING). Maybe it portrayed them like the PC guy on the PC vs. Mac commercials, bumbling around for somewhere to plug their phone in, not stupid but not having made the best purchasing decision.

Just saying because of appearances alone, its trying to portray it as a bumbling customer is quite a stretch. Considering "The Mac" says he's so simple to use, would also be considered a cheap shot as customers are stupid?
 
Just saying because of appearances alone, its trying to portray it as a bumbling customer is quite a stretch. Considering "The Mac" says he's so simple to use, would also be considered a cheap shot as customers are stupid?

Well we have to agree to disagree. How someone can't see Hodgeman's character negatively versus Long's character is beyond me. I mean if you don't see Long as clearly being superior then the entire point of the ad was wasted.
 
It's not that. I am pretty sure the machine is very powerful. However, there are more dynamics that go into a hand bending the phone vs a machine bending a phone. I don't think the average human hand can apply the same force as that machine did. (just look at it, the phone was locked in place and was applied pressure to it). It's more interesting to see a person bending it with his two hands, is all.

Interesting certainly. It always kind of upsets me to see these devices being destroyed for our gratification though!
 
Apple today loves to directly insult Android. Before that, Steve Jobs found creative ways to ridicule Windows, and I like that much more than how everyone is bombing each other today.
 
Let's just quote Samsung from their launch event:

"The Samsung Galaxy S6 gold model shouldn't bend when a user places in a back pocket and sits down, as certain other smartphones do."​



ibtimes:

"Samsung has ditched its typical polycarbonate designs in favor of metal and glass on the Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge, and the devices are already receiving rave reviews for their look and feel. Although Apple has been using metal and glass for years, Samsung said it has one-upped its rival by using a metal that is 50 percent stronger than the metal on other high-end smartphones, noting it won’t bend under pressure.

The iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus were infamous for the so-called bendgate incidents that occurred upon their release: Some users found the devices would bend when they placed the handsets in their back pockets and sat down.

Back to the Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge: The smartphones come in color options including black, blue, gold, green and white. The back panels provide a translucent look. As a result, the black model takes on a dark-bluish hue, while the gold model transitions between gold and silver, depending on its angle.

Samsung’s employment of Gorilla Glass 4 on the Galaxy S6 and Galaxy S6 Edge means the devices are pretty well protected from shattering in the event of drops. Currently, the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus use Gorilla Glass 3."​

This is the spiel given to the press for them to repeat in their articles.

Samsung acting dishonestly?
 
I've never seen where those commercials attacked the customer. One person portrayed the Apple and the other the PC/Windows. While in those ads, it showed Windows/PC had problems, it never portrayed the user as stupid, because it was always had Windows/PC as the cause. While a lot of the Samsung ads, showed Apple customers as faddish or stupid. Big difference.

That was my point as well, but I gave up. I don't ever recall Apple putting out commercials making actual people look like idiots for ever buying or wanting an iPhone. If I am wrong, my apologies. However, people will argue back and fourth and look for any mistake. We all do it I suppose.

I am really tired of the bendgate and I accept the risk of my phone bending because I really like the thinner phones and will never sit on my phone - front or back pocket is just asking for trouble.

Samsung bends at the same pressure as Apple and the Samsung phone that bent was .70 inches smaller than the iPhone used with the exact same thickness. You don't need to be a scientist to realize that the longer something gets, the easier it is to bend or break. So really, the iPhone 6+ is stronger than the S6 Edge. I actually like the look of the Edge.
 
That was my point as well, but I gave up. I don't ever recall Apple putting out commercials making actual people look like idiots for ever buying or wanting an iPhone. If I am wrong, my apologies. However, people will argue back and fourth and look for any mistake. We all do it I suppose.

I am really tired of the bendgate and I accept the risk of my phone bending because I really like the thinner phones and will never sit on my phone - front or back pocket is just asking for trouble.

Samsung bends at the same pressure as Apple and the Samsung phone that bent was .70 inches smaller than the iPhone used with the exact same thickness. You don't need to be a scientist to realize that the longer something gets, the easier it is to bend or break. So really, the iPhone 6+ is stronger than the S6 Edge. I actually like the look of the Edge.

Come on, tell me Hodgeman isn't portrayed as a bit less than smart in these commercials.
 

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Well we have to agree to disagree. How someone can't see Hodgeman's character negatively versus Long's character is beyond me. I mean if you don't see Long as clearly being superior then the entire point of the ad was wasted.

I think that is not about portraying him as negative. Because he clearly was. It was about people saying Apple was trying to portray him as the average consumer using those products. He was clearly labeled as PC, not a PC user.
 
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