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Samsung's Massive Document Outlining How to Improve Galaxy S by Adopting iPhone Solutions Surfaces

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euphlyusUNO said:
Read it carefully. Not only read, try to understand. They're not trying to patent "auto-save". They're trying to patent a document which you don't need to save. Auto-save is just one of the things they're using. No one has ever done this (in the mainstream market)

But I'm sure you'll not understand the difference between Saveless and Autosave...... it's about the experience and changing the very way in which we do things, it's about how "features" when put together, add up to "experience"

Edit: Just imagine if they implement it properly and you don't have to click "Save" or Ctr/Comm + S again?
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Personally I like having control over my saves so I don't make a bunch of changes or accidentally remove a paragraph and step away only to not be able to recover it. As long as Apple provides a way to turn it off and/or allow people to still click-save at the same time as having archival copies which have been saved (automatically) then that would be OK with me.
 
samcraig said:
Personally I like having control over my saves so I don't make a bunch of changes or accidentally remove a paragraph and step away only to not be able to recover it. As long as Apple provides a way to turn it off and/or allow people to still click-save at the same time as having archival copies which have been saved (automatically) then that would be OK with me.
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Actually, Apple's idea for the "saveless document" is a pretty cool idea. It's kinda like using Time Machine, but with individual files. If you want to go back to an earlier file, you just look for the proper time and date from a big list.

The only downside I see is that it could eat up a metric crapton of HDD space, and get kinda crowded with all the iterative changes.

...and I still don't think it's unique enough to be patented.
 
Renzatic said:
How is the "experience" unlike anything that's come before? Both of them save your documents without any user based manipulation. The only difference is one gives you the option to save manually if you want, the other doesn't.

And it sure as hell doesn't deserve a patent.
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Again your thinking is stuck at "saving" documents. I'm sure you can't think about other things such as how the versions will be managed, how will the end-user work with the various autosaved versions (microsoft's way is absolutely horrible, I hate the window that pops up many times i open word)

When all these things such as when and how to version, how to present it to the user, what the user sees all these things are done right, things contribute to the "experience"


BTW... .When you say "other" do you mean Microsoft's way (or similar methods)? If so then arguing with you further is a moot point and like I said earlier - you won't get it.

(Ever "experienced" Auto Save in lion? Don't mind answering though, it's rhetoric)
 
samcraig said:
Just curious. Is this Samsung commenting on their own UI and limitations. Or are they showing stock Android here and indicating that stock Android doesn't have this option but that it's a good feature to have?
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I'm not a expert on Android OS's but I assume they are talking about their own skin and suggesting changes. They don't say if its TouchWiz or not though.
 
Renzatic said:
How about OH GOD NO! This is proof positive that Apple will attempt to patent ANYTHING to get ahead in the game. Autosaves have been around since who knows how long, and Apple's implementation with iCloud isn't vastly different than what's come before.

See people? This isn't Apple protecting their innovations, or the right to innovate in general. This is them gaming the patent system for their own advantage, and it'll do nothing but harm the industry as a whole.

...and I wish Apple was the only one that was doing it. The future of hardware and software looks bleaker every time a company gets away with something like this.
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So you've read all those patent claims in 1 minute? You think Apple is patenting auto-save? Are you a lawyer to even contest that?
 
I know you weren't addressing me - but I'm not the biggest fan of how save works in Lion. Maybe I'm too old school ;). I like having periodic backups in case something happens. But I still like to initiate when a save occurs as well.

euphlyusUNO said:
Again your thinking is stuck at "saving" documents. I'm sure you can't think about other things such as how the versions will be managed, how will the end-user work with the various autosaved versions (microsoft's way is absolutely horrible, I hate the window that pops up many times i open word)

When all these things such as when and how to version, how to present it to the user, what the user sees all these things are done right, things contribute to the "experience"


BTW... .When you say "other" do you mean Microsoft's way (or similar methods)? If so then arguing with you further is a moot point and like I said earlier - you won't get it.

(Ever "experienced" Auto Save in lion? Don't mind answering though, it's rhetoric)
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boronathan said:
Can you show me where people claimed stupid things?
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In this thread? When people say Apple copied Android notifications.

When people say Android is a rip off of iOS.

When people claim that the first implementation of the drop down notification was done by jb community or WebOS

And those are the first I remember.
 
euphlyusUNO said:
Again your thinking is stuck at "saving" documents. I'm sure you can't think about other things such as how the versions will be managed, how will the end-user work with the various autosaved versions (microsoft's way is absolutely horrible, I hate the window that pops up many times i open word)

When all these things such as when and how to version, how to present it to the user, what the user sees all these things are done right, things contribute to the "experience"


BTW... .When you say "other" do you mean Microsoft's way (or similar methods)? If so then arguing with you further is a moot point and like I said earlier - you won't get it.

(Ever "experienced" Auto Save in lion? Don't mind answering though, it's rhetoric)
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I thought I did a pretty good job describing what it does a couple of posts above.

It's like Modo's iterative autosaves mixed with Time Machine, cept less transparent. An interesting take on a bunch of already established ideas, but not truly unique enough to deserve a patent.

And I have experienced Lion much as I have a sunrise on a cool Spring morn. It was truly... transcendental. My life was forever altered by the wonders, nay, the GLORY of Mission Control. Expose as we knew it is NOTHING in comparison to this bliss.
 
Renzatic said:
Isn't that what we all do around here? :p
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:eek: This is true, although i try not to but i may have inadvertently. oletros on the other hand comes across as some "i think i know it all", who's only reaction is to ask a question. Seriously, look at his post history. He provides zero substance, zero discussion and just asks people to "prove it" all day long. Why is he even here? He ignores those who do prove it, and disagrees with those who prove him wrong. It gets old and it's a pretty sad way to present yourself on an online forum.
 
Oletros said:
In this thread? When people say Apple copied Android notifications.

When people say Android is a rip off of iOS.

When people claim that the first implementation of the drop down notification was done by jb community or WebOS
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Can you show me who said that?
 
samcraig said:
Personally I like having control over my saves so I don't make a bunch of changes or accidentally remove a paragraph and step away only to not be able to recover it. As long as Apple provides a way to turn it off and/or allow people to still click-save at the same time as having archival copies which have been saved (automatically) then that would be OK with me.
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I understand your point, but it is human tendency to resist change. Apple's made such changes time and again. When apple announced the MBA, I was pretty surprised at the exclusion of the DVD drive. Today I own one and have never felt the need for one (not saying that you don't need one) i'm just saying that sometimes we think of things as a "must have", but then apple comes up with something so unexpected and packages it well, then the necessity for something just goes away, and users adopt. It is a slow process but it works. I'm pretty sure someday we'll be able to get rid of the Save button and i'll never have to say "oops.... I forgot to save it"

Edit: I think I've dragged this too far to explain a point that isn't relevant to this topic. So just ignore this.
 
budselectjr said:
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Now, I can understand how some understand this document. Basically, they see that one competitor is trying to access the advantages of a product by another competitor.

But the big issue is —

  1. Why didn't they have the brains to accomplish such 'trivial' things themselves? Didn't they have a design team?
  2. Why on earth were the trying to copy iPhone 'feature - for - feature'? Getting inspired is one thing but looking down into a product and finding out all the other things that made the phone and try to incorporate every single one of them, one by one. I don't understand why people don't understand this. You can't just copy 'feature-by-feature' for christ sake.
  3. And now that they wanted to do that, why couldn't they just try to find their own ways? Simple - display a number here please. This is the biggest problem. They didn't even invest any time and reach to a conclusion - 'Hey, Apple's the best way to do this very particular thing. Let's take that'. That would have been fine. But they took everything, the very same way. Free riding as Apple says.
 
BaldiMac said:
Why is this patent brought up so often as something that Apple potentially violates? Which claims do people think Apple violates?
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I don't know really. I just felt it was fun to again repeat something which has already been mentioned for upteenth time.. Hoping to increase the load on the MR servers.
 
a poster/consumer, who has stated in these forums, that he would willingly accept a price increase from Apple because it would assure him of quality is calling other people's posts idiotic?

really?
 
euphlyusUNO said:
Edit: Just imagine if they implement it properly and you don't have to click "Save" or Ctr/Comm + S again?
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Google docs come to mind immediately. Do your google docs/drive require you to press CTRL+S? Mine works perfectly without them..
 
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