No, people said they'd use Android. And the vast majority of Android phones will still have headphone jacks.
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No, people said they'd use Android. And the vast majority of Android phones will still have headphone jacks.
Technically, one of the reasons why Apple won't move to USB-C for iOS has to do with the implementation that they achieved when the connector changed.
If they were to revert to USB-C, they would loose the ability to move the connector's actual conversion hardware out of the device and into the cord. Using USB-C, the devices on either end can be a host or peripherals but using Lightning, the cable itself serve as a host. We see it in the HDMI conversion cables - an iOS device shoots airplay compressed digital video down to the cable and the cable itself does the conversion and handles all of the outputting to HDMI. This places the complexity of transcription and relay outside of the iOS device itself, making them cheaper, and allows an unlimited connection or dongle potential unlike a USB implementation which requires the device itself to support the specific type of transfer (easier for computers to support HDMI-Alt mode than mobile devices, for example). There are other technical benefits of the ecosystem that Apple takes advantage of, like flashing firmware to cords and not depending on USB's form-factor (they can seamlessly update Lightning to use future USB implementations for faster transfer, for example). It also seems like Apple has implemented the ability for hardware to make digital handshakes using Lightning, rather than just some underlying system implementation on both sides (check Activity Log, its super cool!)
One could argue that Apple could achieve the same process using USB-C, but the separate standard makes this cord selection nearly seamless since they all implement the proper specs by conforming to MFi program or cloning those that do. Not to mention, with iPad on the verge of loosing weight and PC-like abilities, they didn't wait until USB-C was finalized to change it.
If they were to revert to USB-C, they would loose the ability to move the connector's actual conversion hardware out of the device and into the cord. Using USB-C, the devices on either end can be a host or peripherals but using Lightning, the cable itself serve as a host. We see it in the HDMI conversion cables - an iOS device shoots airplay compressed digital video down to the cable and the cable itself does the conversion and handles all of the outputting to HDMI. This places the complexity of transcription and relay outside of the iOS device itself, making them cheaper, and allows an unlimited connection or dongle potential unlike a USB implementation which requires the device itself to support the specific type of transfer (easier for computers to support HDMI-Alt mode than mobile devices, for example). There are other technical benefits of the ecosystem that Apple takes advantage of, like flashing firmware to cords and not depending on USB's form-factor (they can seamlessly update Lightning to use future USB implementations for faster transfer, for example). It also seems like Apple has implemented the ability for hardware to make digital handshakes using Lightning, rather than just some underlying system implementation on both sides (check Activity Log, its super cool!)
One could argue that Apple could achieve the same process using USB-C, but the separate standard makes this cord selection nearly seamless since they all implement the proper specs by conforming to MFi program or cloning those that do. Not to mention, with iPad on the verge of loosing weight and PC-like abilities, they didn't wait until USB-C was finalized to change it.
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Which is wireless because wireless refers to the device itself and the system which charges it.
So you state you can't be bothered to read the posts I replied to, then moan and complain at me for my response.
You openly admit you have NO CLUE what my reply meant or can be bothered to find out but felt the need to reply and claim that!!
Do you actually really want to be taken seriously? Ever? What a waste of internet space your comments are...
Let's assume in high end recording studios this will always be true. For the other 99.99% use cases I bet you Bluetooth is the future of audio transmission.
And surely you would agree an audio jack using lightening or USB c that can provide power plus software controls is superiors to 3.5mm.
1. it's a rumor
2. Apple weren't the first to do it
3. Doesn't matter which company is doing it it's a stupid move.
In 2 or 3 years you'll be eating your words when everyone's wireless batteries fail to hold a charge.
Besides, so what if the headphone jack is there? Did it somehow disable bluetooth?
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You ever heard the expression "The customer is always right" ?
Well... here I am, the customer.
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This floppy disk argument has been debunked countless times. Nobody misses the floppy because it had a successor.
The 3.5mm jack DOES NOT have a superior replacement.
No, but I would not want a phone packed with outdated stuff and holes that I don't need. As for wireless batteries not holding the charge, I am well aware that initially there wold be issues that eventually gets worked out. But I am open minded about this. I do embrace changes and new technologies. I do not cry and moan for stuff that are inevitably going to become a history. And I am old enough to know that for every change there are a lot of people why cry because they get to comfy with stuff and hate changes. It is a human nature after all.
Then don't use them. Stop complaining. I don't see why you make this such a big problem. You don't see any pro-headphone jack user saying 'get rid of bluetooth because i dont use it' do you?
You don't seem to understand. If I pay for a device, I would want it to have things that I do use build to it rather then unnecessary stuff for me, particularly design wise. So yeah, am happy with the change on the iPhone 7, having an ancient port removed . You on the other hand are not happy about the device having something that you need or want, removed. Well then.... here is one solution. Do not pay your money for it, rather then crying. Pure and simple.
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Uh, no, that's not how it works. This is actually insulting by suggesting that your needs are to apply to everyone. Like I said, retaining the headphone jack has ZERO effect on your experience with it. Don't like the jack? Don't use it. Pure and simple.
Instead, you would rather alienate and insult a LARGE consumer base and replace the gold standard with an inferior technology (bluetooth sucks for audio, this isn't even debatable)... and all this for what?
So you carry around, in your bag, extra grams that by omitting the headphone jack you were supposed to shave off. It's unclear what they want other than upset you stuff by removing it. I mean, it's not like the iPhone uses an industry standard connection, like, say, USB-C right?
Ancient port is the usual phrase from technology hipsters. There is nothing wrong with the headphone jack the only reason Lenovo, Apple and Samsung (only a stupid rumor) would remove it is to sell extra dongles which is very inconvenient anf of course to push proprietary headphones.
Here is the solution, be happy with your less than convenient phone and stop talking like your needs are the only important ones. Personally I couldnt care less about the speakers and yet a lot of people value them so I won't sit here and claim good speakers are ancient.
Somehow this discussion reminds me on people who never played offline and and are fine if games require an always on connection...
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No, apart from it being ancient there was nothing wrong with it Just because there is nothing wrong with things, it doesn't mean it should not be better ways. Luckily for us, people who lead innovation on tech companies are not close minded like some genius MacRumors members here.,
but we've yet to see anyone come up with something better.
They've tried. We're still waiting
For all of this talk of USB-C being industry standard, I can't seem to find a single affordable device I need that has it at my local tech marts.
Get back to us when I can buy a USB-C cable at my local 7-11 at 3AM on a Sunday.
Maybe bluetooth will be the future for 99%, how far in the future remains to be seen and Apples proprietary solutions certainly won't.
I dont think lightning is superior to a 3.5 mm jack purely because any benefits it offers are outweighed by the fact that it is a proprietary solution. USB C has the benefit of bringing all of the advantages while still being an open standard.
Which ever way you look at it the fact that you can't plug the earphones bundled with an iPhone 7 into a Mac is embarrassing. It is made even worse when you consider in the not too distant future we could have a situation whereby most Android phones could ship with USB equipped earphone which will be compatible with a Mac. All of the W1 chips in the world won't stop that looking ridiculous.
Better is subjective. For me, wireless is a thousand times better. Have been using it for couple of years and not having wires hanging on me is a joy. Sound quality may not be quite there but it will get and surpass. Point is, if Apple doesn't make bold moves like that, other companies who make sound products won't invest on better wireless and just sty lazy using the 3.5mm jack.
I'm not against wireless. But removing the 3.5mm jack doesn't change wireless. It was available with the 3.5mm jack as well. Removing it doesn't suddenly make wireless better.
I use wireless where it makes sense. When wires themselves actively cause hinderance. When i'm outdoors, mowing the lawn, working out, playing sports, running around the house doing chores.
But when I'm sitting at my desk unmoving for hours cause of work/ gaming / etc. Why force the use of wireless? there's a time and aplace for wireless. It's not some magical "THIS IS BETTER THAN EVERYTHING WIRED". there are downsides to wireless that makes it an unsuitable solutions for every occasion.
And Wireless audio has been around so long now, that if it couldn't take over as the primary means on it's own due to the limitations, why force everyone to use it?
I just think Apple's removal of the hEadphone jack was pre-mature and half baked idea. if Samsung removes it from the S8, it guarantees I move away from Samsung (I currently have an S6, though it's likely my last Samsung phone anyways). Ys, 3.5mm is an old port, but we just don't have a full blown suitable replacement for it that is as universal. and I don't believe wireless is that solution (yet?)
Dude, Bluetooth is a superior replacement. Bye bye cables.
I'm blasting music over Bluetooth to a bose speaker and it's freaking awesome!
Bluetooth and Bose has got to be one of the worst combos you could make. Bose is notoriously overrated.
Fair point. But if we're in a wireless world it won't be a big deal.
One can only assume Apple sees a world where USB C and lightening can co exist.
I only use headphones with my phone, never with any other devices. I can see myself buying a lightening connector set of headphones at some point in the future.
Here is a prediction, future macs will also drop the 3.5 in favour of lightening.
