Apple employees searching someone's home...that is pretty weird. We've come a long way from the "1984" commercial.
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San Francisco Police Did Assist Apple in House Search of iPhone 5
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If you read the Terms of Agreement when you click OK with an iTunes update you will know the answer to that.
YES. They should tell Apple that they are too busy to doing almost anything else to help a multi-kajillion dollar corporation find a lost freaking phone. The conversation should have been no more than "Hey we lost our phone" followed by "Um, that sucks. Good luck?"
It is worth a few hundred bucks in parts, that is all. It isn't magic, all of Apple's competitors will have their own to take apart in a few short weeks. The only reason this became an issue is because it is somehow cosmically important that apple be able to keep their corporate products more secret than other people. Apple's marketing department is second to none. That is the only thing special about them; the rest is smoke and mirrors. They are just another giant corporate machine with giant corporate marketing sucking giant corporate dollars out of consumer pockets. It is how capitalism is done, and Apple can capitalize with the best of them..
It's ok. It's a cool spot to hang out in the Mission. Lots of places like that there.
While relieved that Apple employees didn't straight up pretend to be police to search a place, I'm not sure this is much better. Yes, Apple is within their right to want their property back. I'd hope they did this in such a way that is above the table (the SFPD flip-flopping is making me nervous about that being true). Apple makes mistakes (look at the iPod HiFi, harhar). We have laws because of just that reason.
Will add to my Ceviche list.
Also, since I'm now feeling bad about not posting something on-topic:
Why is it that everyone champions those couple/few internet people who recover their lost property after taking pictures with their MacBook cameras or somesuch but suddenly Apple are Gestapos? I mean, to be fair and balanced I think some of what Apple does is a little skeevy sometimes but in this case what's the big deal?
Key word in bold. Good post.
But apparently the phone wasn't in the house, was it? It even appears that that Calderon had nothing to hide since he allowed his home to be searched without a warrant. Of course I'm being logical and most here can't grasp that concept.
I thought the phone was lost by an Apple employee. Do you think the person who found it knew it was a prototype?
I think you better check out my post history a little more closely. I am not an Apple fanboy or Apple defender. If the SFPD escorted the Apple security team to the gentleman's house and the Apple employees didn't misrepresent themselves as police officers, what did they do wrong? The SF police did wrong. If Apple did something wrong, I have no problem criticizing them as my post history will clearly show.
Apple doesn't pay billions either. Their money is held outside of the country to avoid paying taxes.
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Don't assume that the prototype is worth just a few hundred bucks. Since it wasn't in full production, and they had to design templates, moulds, research, etc. The only reason a production phone is as cheap as it is is because they can spread the r&d and engineering costs among millions of devices. if you only spread it out between a couple hundred, the price skyrockets. Yes, this would be the appropriate way to look at the cost of the device.
Don't assume that the prototype is worth just a few hundred bucks. Since it wasn't in full production, and they had to design templates, moulds, research, etc. The only reason a production phone is as cheap as it is is because they can spread the r&d and engineering costs among millions of devices. if you only spread it out between a couple hundred, the price skyrockets. Yes, this would be the appropriate way to look at the cost of the device.
As long as we're in the realm of sci-fi, I suggest that any prototypes being tested in the real world have the ability to be remotely detonated in case of being lost so that they can not land in enemy hands.
He will get money because the whole thing stinks. Any San Francisco civil jury is going to side against the cops and Apple security officers based on the overall handling of the situation.
1. SFPD flip flopped on the story and could not get the facts straight when they did admit to assisting. Right there they lose any credibility as to the handling of the case.
2. Two corporate security officers and four police officers showing up at your door WITHOUT a warrant and asking to search your home is intimidation. If the police knew they had a legitimate claim they would have had a warrant.
3. The SFPD officers knew the whole situation was sketchy because they did not enter to the home and did not record the event.
Your own words: "THE POLICE asked if THEY could search the place"
Read again: "THE POLICE asked if THEY could search the place"
do you get it?
The police asked, but the apple guys ended searching the place, at no point it was mentioned that he could refuse or, again, that the apple guys will be the ones involved with the search.
The police is not only here to protect "stolen property", they are here to protect our rights, and they certainly failed to protect that guy's.
Jesus! is that difficult to understand?
Apple and the SFPD fkd up.
This could cause injury. You can't just detonate a phone if it's in someone's hands or pocket. What if they are bringing it back to Apple when it happens?
Lol. The police don't protect your rights. As a matter of fact, the police are trained to relieve you of your rights.
Unfortunately, lawyers, judges, the media, and your fellow citizens are responsible for protecting your rights.
Apple messed up, but the SFPD messed up even more. If Calderon is smart he will lawyer up.
I hope Apple burns for this. They have no effing right to bully their way into someone's apartment just because they *think* their prototype might be in there.
I hope the officers involved get booted off the force and end up working security at a mall somewhere.
Unfortunately, lawyers, judges, the media, and your fellow citizens are responsible for protecting your rights.
Apple messed up, but the SFPD messed up even more. If Calderon is smart he will lawyer up.
I hope Apple burns for this. They have no effing right to bully their way into someone's apartment just because they *think* their prototype might be in there.
I hope the officers involved get booted off the force and end up working security at a mall somewhere.
Price skyrockets??? LOL. So when the HP Touchpad didn't sell well, the price went up in proportion to the total costs incurred? No, it doesn't work that way. Yes you still have all the costs associated with the device but it's not going to be paid off with whatever revenue was generated from sales. It's going to be handled elsewhere on the balance sheet.
We disagree on the value of the Apple Prototype. If we agreed on that it was valuable as I suggest then I am guessing you would side with my argument?
Yeap. According to CNN: "SF Weekly also interviewed a man who told the publication that he consented to having his home searched for a phone by six officers last month. No one in the group identified himself as being an Apple employee, the man told SF Weekly. He reportedly said that he assumed they were all police officials and would not have permitted entry if he knew the searchers were from Apple."
So, Apple lied to a man (as usual). Also, Apple refused to file a formal report. And without such a report, why did SFPD even agreed to do anything? No report - no crime.
Also, who do they at Apple think they are? First of all, the phone was not stolen (it was left at the bar). Even if Apple/police asked for official search warrant they would never got one under such circumstances. They simply did not have any facts to prove that the guy stole this phone.
Secondly, as the results of this search showed, the guy did not have a phone. Why did Apple decide to raid his home in a first place? Because of GPS coordinates reported by the "stolen" phone? Nope. Most likely GPS was never turned on on this phone (and it would not work inside the house anyways). And yet the guy did visit this bar on the day at issue. Is it really a coincidence? Rrrright. Here is much more likely scenario:
* Apple got location data for a given phone from AT&T (best case scenario, worst case - all iPhones constantly report their coordinates to Apple)
* These coordinates are not that accurate. So, Apple somehow got hold of the credit card receipts/records for the day at issue from the bar.
* Apple investigators got addresses of all people that attended the bar
* then they cross referenced phone location data with people addresses and found a "match"
I think we will hear much more about this case. In any case, Apple are acting like thugs and iSheeps (especially those in the press who have been fanning out Apple hype for years) are clearly culpable of creating an environment where Apple feel free to do whatever they want.
Yep. People will believe anything as long as it's from their "trusted" news source and semi-believable. Nor will they shift from their point of view even if overwhelming evidence is placed in front of them. There's a term for those people: Democrats.
Inc down votes.
Do you have a better one? You probably believe that iPhone reported guy's apartment number to Apple, right? After all it was iPhone 5 and those are indeed that smart.