Santa Rosa MB/MBP in Oct

[jotadeo]

More or less. More less than more.

Santa Rosa is the new chipset that will include for example NAND flash, 802.11n, etc.

Penryn is a CPU. The first Santa Rosa notebooks will most likely come with the latest Merom processors that go up to 2.4GHz. Santa Rosa will use a socket P connection, the same connector Merom uses.

For Penryn they will use a new platform and chipset known as Montevina and Cantiga. This new platform will ship in 2008 and will increase the frontside bus speed to 1067MHz and support for 800MHz DDR 3.
It will include a new wireless module called Shiloh, which is expected to support WiMAX (802.16) in addition to HSDPA (3.5G).

Darn, I thought I had done better than "more less than more."

So, just so I'm clear (mas o menos)...

1. Merom and Penryn are CPUs, correct?

1a. Do the CPUs have nicknames (e.g. San Pedro) also or do they just go by names like Core 2 Duo T5200?

2. Santa Rosa is a chipset that will come out alongside of (wording???) whatever Merom processor is available and installed in June-ish.

3. The first chipset that will accompany Penryn will be Cantiga, which is part of the Montevina platform (which also includes Shiloh and Boaz).

3a. The Montevina platform, 5G of Centrino, will support the Penryn CPU, whatever-eth gen. of the Core 2 Duo processors.

4. What the heck is a chipset??? I'm not joking really...I have an idea, but have no clue how this stuff works. Don't worry, I'll look it up somewhere (maybe at howstuffworks.com ).

Thanks for the help!
jdo

p.s. Diatribe, I like your guide for beginners. I've been using OS X since early 2005, but I always recognize that there's a ton that I don't know...even simple things. I've learned quite a bit from the guide and exploring the tips and software discussed there. Thanks!!!

 

[johnee]

wouldn't it be a more interesting discussion if, instead of using codenames, they used random numbers?

for instance, replace "Santa Rosa" and all it's variants with 52394234.
and "Penryn" with 213194983.

it would be a night of hilarity!

 

[jotadeo]

wouldn't it be a more interesting discussion if, instead of using codenames, they used random numbers?

for instance, replace "Santa Rosa" and all it's variants with 52394234.
and "Penryn" with 213194983.

it would be a night of hilarity!

Uhhhhhh, not really. At least not for me, I'm a n00b...oh, wait, no I'm not. 30th post--I'm a member now!!!!

woohoo!!!!
jdo

 

[Diatribe]

Darn, I thought I had done better than "more less than more."

So, just so I'm clear (mas o menos)...

1. Merom and Penryn are CPUs, correct?

1a. Do the CPUs have nicknames (e.g. San Pedro) also or do they just go by names like Core 2 Duo T5200?

2. Santa Rosa is a chipset that will come out alongside of (wording???) whatever Merom processor is available and installed in June-ish.

3. The first chipset that will accompany Penryn will be Cantiga, which is part of the Montevina platform (which also includes Shiloh and Boaz).

3a. The Montevina platform, 5G of Centrino, will support the Penryn CPU, whatever-eth gen. of the Core 2 Duo processors.

4. What the heck is a chipset??? I'm not joking really...I have an idea, but have no clue how this stuff works. Don't worry, I'll look it up somewhere (maybe at howstuffworks.com ).

Thanks for the help!
jdo

p.s. Diatribe, I like your guide for beginners. I've been using OS X since early 2005, but I always recognize that there's a ton that I don't know...even simple things. I've learned quite a bit from the guide and exploring the tips and software discussed there. Thanks!!!

1. Correct.

1a. They have nicknames and technical names (Core, Core 2, etc. are the names of the family for all the respective cpus be it notebook or desktop or server)

2. Correct.

3. Correct.

4. The term chipset is commonly used to refer to a set of specialized chips on a computer's motherboard which is the platform. (The Intel chipsets for example consist of a Northbridge and Soutbridge)


You are very welcome. It's great to know that there are still people finding it useful although it hasn't been updated in so long. One of these days I'll find the time to do it. Thanks for the nice words.

 

[jotadeo]

1. Correct.

1a. They have nicknames and technical names (Core, Core 2, etc. are the names of the family for all the respective cpus be it notebook or desktop or server)

2. Correct.

3. Correct.

4. The term chipset is commonly used to refer to a set of specialized chips on a computer's motherboard which is the platform. (The Intel chipsets for example consist of a Northbridge and Soutbridge)


You are very welcome. It's great to know that there are still people finding it useful although it hasn't been updated in so long. One of these days I'll find the time to do it. Thanks for the nice words.

Certainly! I love the fact that communities such as this exist and that people unselfishly share their knowledge with others. But it's nice to get acknowledgment, too!!!

Going back to #4, I had a pretty good idea that there were chips somewhere in there (hence the beginning of the compound word, "chipset") and that there were two or more of these so-called chips in the mix (being part of a "...set" and all). I just didn't know what these things did exactly. I'm glad you mentioned the northbridge and the southbridge...that gave me a bit of an idea of what to look for when reading about this. Wikipedia's article on 'chipset' is ok, but I could have very easily glossed over 'northbridge' and 'southbridge'...and the WP entries on these were much more explanatory.

!Muchisimas gracias!
jdo

 

[Diatribe]

!Muchisimas gracias!
jdo

Por nada. Con mucho gusto.

 

[solvs]

The Apple Store employees know about as much as we do. Sometimes more, often times less. They aren't privy to "secret" info too far ahead of the game. The "around Leopard" time frame was back when Leopard was going to be out by late Spring. Santa Rosa just happened to be around the same time. Intel is releasing it officially in May. So Apple could still release Santa Rosa based stuff long before Leopard. The 2 aren't connected. Apple can either do what they did with the dual quads and release them before anyone else (the 3s that is, they still aren't using the other quad), or wait, like they did with the C2Ds. Or both, iMacs before WWDC, laptops after. Or everything at WWDC. Or nothing for the rest of the year.

We don't know. They don't know. Nobody knows except the people at Apple HQ. Probably not even most of them.

 

[NoCleverSNForMe]

A Note About Apple Retail Employees

I was told by an employee at the Apple Store that SR Macbooks wouldn't be out until Leopard.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! That employee broke the code and should be terminated.

As a former Apple retail employee who was employed for four years, I know two things:

1) We never, ever, EVER had ANY information about new releases. I didn't even know about the iPod nano until the day it came out---Apple had shipped two demo units to our store. Not even the inventory guys knew what was coming in.

2) You are never, ever, ever allowed to speak about future releases. If someone asks you, "Hey! When's the new iMac coming out?" You don't say, "Well, I think they're coming out next month!" You will be and should be fired. The appropriate response (and the TRUTH) is: "I'm sorry, sir/ma'am, we are not told when Apple is coming out with new products." I made the mistake of doing that once---I actually told people that the first computer to transition to Intel would be the Power Mac, and that they would work their way down the chain to transition the rest of the line. That was my OPINION based on my experience. But you know what? I was DEAD WRONG.

That has and always will be Apple's policy. So this thread's point is completely moot.

Apple can come out with the Core 2 Extreme MacBook Pros (aka Santa Rosa) whenever they feel like it. The Apple retail employees have NO idea when new releases are coming out. The person you spoke to gave you his/her estimate based on their experience.

Based on my experience? I don't think they'll wait that long. I see them updating in June or July. But then again, I've been wrong many times before.

 

[Whistleway]

That is what most knowledgeable people I know tend to say. Further, I have been strongly advised to buy only after MacWorld 2008 (provided I can manage with my existing system till then).

In short, skip buying during June/October 2007 if you really want your computer to be powerful and last longer for your pro applications.

I am waiting for Nehalem with Montevina

 

[haiggy]

Doesn't it make sense for Apple to release MacBooks and MacBook Pro's early summer/mid summer in time for the students going back to school? I know this is the case for me, and I'm hoping they are released by then. I don't think they'd miss a deadline like that if they could help it. Waiting until October for a "Christmas blowout" type thing is dumb, because that's 2 months away from October!

 

[Erasmus]

Doesn't it make sense for Apple to release MacBooks and MacBook Pro's early summer/mid summer in time for the students going back to school? I know this is the case for me, and I'm hoping they are released by then. I don't think they'd miss a deadline like that if they could help it. Waiting until October for a "Christmas blowout" type thing is dumb, because that's 2 months away from October!

Ditto. I need a laptop for uni, and I don't want to wait half way through semester to get it!

 

[Butthead]

1. Correct.

1a. They have nicknames and technical names (Core, Core 2, etc. are the names of the family for all the respective cpus be it notebook or desktop or server)

2. Correct.

3. Correct.

4. The term chipset is commonly used to refer to a set of specialized chips on a computer's motherboard which is the platform. (The Intel chipsets for example consist of a Northbridge and Soutbridge)


You are very welcome. It's great to know that there are still people finding it useful although it hasn't been updated in so long. One of these days I'll find the time to do it. Thanks for the nice words.

No, #2 is not correct, the 1st chipset that will have the early Penryn will be Santa Rosa! Intel has implied that Penryn is a drop in pin compatible replacment on SR for the Merom. Santa Rosa PC laptops will be out in May, we hope Apple will ship updated MBP or MB's with SR motherboards ASAP (but there maybe other parts being updated that could mean a later intro, if Apple is not able to secure those desired parts at the same time SR becomes available in quantity).

Fujitsu & Panasonic have already announced they will be shipping SR based laptops in May.

Penryn will be produced later this year, the updated Santa Rosa chipset is not slated to come to market until 2008, so guess which pin compatible chipset the 1st Penryn's will be matched with ?

http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/04/16/HNintelbeyondsantarosa_1.html

""We will be able to take Penryn, the 45-nanometer [chip], and plug it into exactly the same platform to enable a fast ramp," said Mooly Eden, vice president and general manager of Intel's mobile platform group, in an interview." I.e. a similar/same scenario that has happened with the Merom.

 

[Diatribe]

No, #2 is not correct, the 1st chipset that will have the early Penryn will be Santa Rosa! Intel has implied that Penryn is a drop in pin compatible replacment on SR for the Merom. Santa Rosa PC laptops will be out in May, we hope Apple will ship updated MBP or MB's with SR motherboards ASAP (but there maybe other parts being updated that could mean a later intro, if Apple is not able to secure those desired parts at the same time SR becomes available in quantity).

Fujitsu & Panasonic have already announced they will be shipping SR based laptops in May.

Penryn will be produced later this year, the updated Santa Rosa chipset is not slated to come to market until 2008, so guess which pin compatible chipset the 1st Penryn's will be matched with ?

http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/04/16/HNintelbeyondsantarosa_1.html

""We will be able to take Penryn, the 45-nanometer [chip], and plug it into exactly the same platform to enable a fast ramp," said Mooly Eden, vice president and general manager of Intel's mobile platform group, in an interview." I.e. a similar/same scenario that has happened with the Merom.

Ah, cool. Hadn't read that yet. Thanks for the info and sorry for the misinformation.

 

[branharrison6]

I sincerely hope new hardware (esp. mbps) come out in June. If they don't, I'll pull the trigger I'm not waiting till Oct.

I CAN'T see them releasing anything in June either due to the release of the new iPhone. Lots of people have been saying that Apple will want to spend most of their time and attention with the develompent of the iPhone. So I can't see them releasing any new macbooks this summer?

 

[BigPrince]

I CAN'T see them releasing anything in June either due to the release of the new iPhone. Lots of people have been saying that Apple will want to spend most of their time and attention with the develompent of the iPhone. So I can't see them releasing any new macbooks this summer?

Then I would say you are blind.

 

[Erasmus]

Then I would say you are blind.

Agreed.

The iPhone's just one thing, you know? Sure, the Leopard team had to be moved to the iPhone, but it's pretty obvious the hardware's done, so the SR MBP design team aren't going anywhere.

5 months is a long time to wait to push out a technology in the computer industry. Apple wouldn't be tha stupid. If I can't get a SR MBP by the time I go back to Uni at the end of July, I will be mortified. But it's just not gonna happen. SR MBPs will almost certainly be at least announced on the 11th of June.

 

[branharrison6]

Apple wouldn't be tha stupid. If I can't get a SR MBP by the time I go back to Uni at the end of July, I will be mortified. But it's just not gonna happen. SR MBPs will almost certainly be at least announced on the 11th of June.

Do you see Macbooks getting a new SR update? Cause I don't have $2000 anyway to be dishing out for a new MBP? If they are just going to update the MBP's then forget it for me.

 

[Erasmus]

Do you see Macbooks getting a new SR update? Cause I don't have $2000 anyway to be dishing out for a new MBP? If they are just going to update the MBP's then forget it for me.

Probably. The MB was last updated in November. The MBP in October. A full year on the MBP and 11 months on the MB without a refresh??? I don't think so. The longest times on record (Buyer's Guide) are like 10 months for iBooks, and 9 months for Powerbooks. And they were of course before the intel switch, when Apple was waiting for low power G5s

7/8 months wait between refreshes is long enough.