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'Santa Rosa' Shipping from Intel Next Month (May)

Dustman said:
actually, wouldnt it be awesome if they kept the ppc models in the apple store, like actually kept up with the powerpc technology while also having the option to go intel. that way u could have the choice and all applications can be made to work since they're now native on both platforms..
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No. PPC + Mac = dead. Get over it. Things are way better now anyways. Jobs doesn't have to promise "3ghz by next summer!!" anymore because Intel is so damn awesome at churning out new tech.

And yeah, I think we'll see this between May/June. July would be too late.


But Apple must really have something crazy planned. I mean the whole line up + Mac OS (and iLife) is all about to be updated and has been kept a secret for a while now. I'm thinking Apple's going to change their look/image (removing the "Computer" from their name is also kind of a lead for this).
 
I'm waiting on Leopard before replacing my audio/video powerBook from 2003.

Question: wouldn't there have to be some kind of hard drive in these things for backup, should the Flash RAM fail? Or do I have it wrong that FR still needs a trickle of juice to maintain data?
 
I hope I don't have to eat my words later. . .

but I have a feeling everything will be updated at WWDC07 if not sooner. Maybe May will be the month for iMacs and Mac Minis to get their updates to SR and then June the Macbook Pro and then maybe July or August for the Macbook to go for their student consumer base . But they HAVE to upgrade their systems to SR, their are nothing but benefits from it and if they don't their isn't really anything special about Macs anymore. I mean, how would you feel if you were spending give or take 2500- 3000 dollars on a Macbook Pro when you can get a laptop that has wwwwaaayyyy better features from another company. The only upside is Tiger, but to keep with those switchers that will be using XP and Vista on their Macs Apple will have to update their systems soon. Updating with Leopard is unreal, especially since by then the newer chips will be out, what are they set for Late 07? if Oct. isn't late 07 then I don't know what is! Updating to SR in Oct, and then having the newer chip come out a month or two after is just plain stupid! Other companies will have the newer chip set coming out and Apple will lag behind on SR, the only real way to think about it, is Apple doesn't use SR at all and just jumps to the next chipset, which in it self is unheard of! They will update, they have too! The whole Apple product line is getting really past due. Did you see the iMac and Mac Mini??? That's crazy, thats why I think they will be the first to get the new chipsets, if not iMac, Mac Mini and the Macbook Pro all at the same time. . .
 
Summer MacBooks

Apple HAS to release the new Macbooks this summer--like July--in order to hit the back-to-school people. They can't wait, and can't affort to miss that market when Dell and HP will be hitting it hardcore as always. They HAVE to do it.
If Macbooks have to come out around July, then MBPs have to come out early June I'd guess if they want to give time for the impatient ones to get a MBP instead of waiting for the MB.
WWDC at the very latest for the MBPs, then.
Though if it were me :) ...
I'd release the new MBP as soon as they are ready (end of May?) and then release the new, improve, super-cool Macbooks at WWDC along with the iPhone, and give a killer rebate deal if you buy the new Macbook ($200 off iPhone or something). If they hit the back-to-schoolers BEFORE the guys from Dell and HP do, then Apple will cash in big-time.
 
Rocketman said:
My hope is this means an update from 3GB max to 8GB max in low end systems. Memory prices drop over time and a 3 year old mac should be able to address the CHEAP 8GB memory available to it in three years.
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It's a good dream but, alas, it never works that way. In three years you will be able to get nice cheap DDR6 (or whatever) SODIMMs but the DDR2 (or whatever) that Santa Rosa needs will still be pricey. Take a look at PC2700 SODIMMs now, for example.
 
Robson Cache, I.E. Intel Turbo Memory

I think it will be interesting to see when Apple debuts its new lineup because of SR's inclusion of Intel Turbo Memory (i.e. the new name for Robson Cache technology). I find it hard to believe that Apple would include a new technology like this which could significantly lessen OS boot times, wake from sleep times, and program load times, without demonstrating it. I wonder if Apple will use SR initially without the Intel Turbo Memory in some or all models or wait to demonstrate it at WWDC 07. (Of course, if there is little to no gain from it, then it may just be another silent update, but I doubt it.) To me, the answer to this question will determine the release date of new hardware.
 
Val-kyrie said:
I think it will be interesting to see when Apple debuts its new lineup because of SR's inclusion of Intel Turbo Memory (i.e. the new name for Robson Cache technology). I find it hard to believe that Apple would include a new technology like this which could significantly lessen OS boot times, wake from sleep times, and program load times, without demonstrating it. I wonder if Apple will use SR initially without the Intel Turbo Memory in some or all models or wait to demonstrate it at WWDC 07. (Of course, if there is little to no gain from it, then it may just be another silent update, but I doubt it.) To me, the answer to this question will determine the release date of new hardware.
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I don't see them using it period, or as the Turbo name sake. It just doesn't seem like Apple's way to do so.
 
bête noire said:
Yes, you've added Santa Rosa. But is not the introduction to Merom out of date? It refers to the 'current Yonah', and Intel claims Merom 'will have', etc.
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DDR2-667 seems to be the current standard for the Santa Rosa derived hardware that is already out,

bête noire said:
Yes, you've added Santa Rosa. But is not the introduction to Merom out of date? It refers to the 'current Yonah', and Intel claims Merom 'will have', etc.
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You are more then free to fix that. :p
 
Buying a black MacBook this week, refurb if possible, or new with SR if a blue moon is on the horizon tonight!

This is my first post! (but I have been doing some ‘research’ here for a few weeks)

Unfortunately the MB is not for me, but my wife (and since she doesn’t want to wait for SR, we’ll never know if I would have waited…). We have an ancient PC that needs replacing & she is used to Macs at work (she’s a teacher & her school uses them exclusively). So she wants to get a MB with the educational discount before she takes maternity leave (2 new additions to the family: our first child & our first Mac!). I already have a new-ish Compaq laptop for my grad school work but after my ‘research’ into Macs, I wish it needed replacing too! I think her new black MB is going to make me green with envy…

p.s. I am definitely more excited about the baby ~ : )
 
MBP in June, MB in August. I know this because I can paint the future like that guy in Heroes.

Oh, and the MBP benchmarks won't be that great. C'mon people, it's just a 20% increase in bus speed. From the hype you'd think that Intel was installing a 32 gig flash blu-ray wireless cache drive with tokyo drift support.

Santa Rosa will be great for the MB though, because the onboard graphics chip is supposed to be a major improvement over the current offal. Did I say offal? I meant the current offering. Sorry.
 
Rocketman said:
I have been clicking around Intel's website to try to get some specifics on Santa Rosa.

It supports better integrated graphics which makes sense since Apple has been ramping the minimum requirements for apps to the point where even the most recent shipping MacBook does not meet the requirements for some of their own software.

My understanding it it also increases the addressable memory to be "compatible" with true 64 bit systems, a first for Apple in low end systems. My hope is this means an update from 3GB max to 8GB max in low end systems. Memory prices drop over time and a 3 year old mac should be able to address the CHEAP 8GB memory available to it in three years.
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It'll probably be 6 or 7GB.

You need some space for memory mapped IO. That's why the current systems are 3GB RAM even though the chipset supports 4GB.

The integrated wireless features are good. One wonders just how much "unsupported" wimax is in Santa Rosa considering the wimax rollout for Intel in early 2008.
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None. All the wireless options are external to the main chipset. SR uses the same chipset as currently ships in the MB/MBP, ie Intel 4965AGN, and is usually on a card.

Now that processors are so fast, the whole benefit to Robson is not boot times, but rather in energy savings, and in wake/sleep hardware wear reduction.

Rocketman
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That would be an implementation detail, I believe.

One thing no-one's touched on is the dynamic FSB switching, which provides extra power savings by halving the clockspeed when idling, much like the CPU frequency already does. Not a huge deal but power savings are always nice.
 
tristan said:
MBP in June, MB in August. I know this because I can paint the future like that guy in Heroes.

Oh, and the MBP benchmarks won't be that great. C'mon people, it's just a 20% increase in bus speed. From the hype you'd think that Intel was installing a 32 gig flash blu-ray wireless cache drive with tokyo drift support.

Santa Rosa will be great for the MB though, because the onboard graphics chip is supposed to be a major improvement over the current offal. Did I say offal? I meant the current offering. Sorry.
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Here's hoping they beef up the GPU on the MBP too. :)
 
Its been a few years since the Powerbooks had a redesign. Perhaps this is coming soon, especially since the PPC -> Intel transition is over, in terms of hardware?
 
Ill tell you how it will work.

They will come out with Santa Rosa and everyone will buy.

But then they will release Leopard in Oct, and soon after (or in Jan) they will release Penrynn (whatever its called) that is at 40n process and actually is BUILT to work with Leopard.

You will see the advertisements, "Penrynn 40n processor and Leopard...the perfect match" - etc.

It is always like this. You buy the hardware then the new OS comes out and you realize that the machine you have actually isnt "primed" for the new OS.

So then your mind is already set on the idea of getting a machine that is "primed" for that OS. - in other words you are already looking to update.

Peace
 
sounds reasonable!

on another note: santa rosa looks more like a relevant update for MB/MBPs not that much for iMacs :confused:

bommai said:
Contrary to what many people are saying in these forums, Apple (and most other SW/HW companies), don't change a lot of software and hardware at the same time. So, there will be new hardware coming out that run Tiger. When Leopard comes out there will be no new hardware (at that time). Hardware will again be released at MWSF next January. It is a nightmare to deal with both new hardware and software at the sametime.
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aarond12 said:
I wonder if Apple is planning to use this technology in the Mac Mini. It's about due for an upgrade as well. My G4 Mac Mini has been waiting to be upgraded until Apple came out with something with a better graphics engine.

-Aaron-
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Mini will most likely get the regural Core 2's. After the upgrade we will have Mac Mini with 1.83Ghz Core 2 Duo, and Mac Mini with 2Ghz Core 2 Duo.
 
dAlen said:
But then they will release Leopard in Oct, and soon after (or in Jan) they will release Penrynn (whatever its called) that is at 40n process and actually is BUILT to work with Leopard.
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Current processors will work just fine with Leopard. And Penryn is NOT "built to work with Leopard". That is, there are no features in Penryn that are specificly targetted at Leopard.
 
Am3822 said:
So, will we be in for another round of 'Rev. A Horrors' once the new MacbookPro would be released?
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The first few might have flaws, but they won't be anything terrible, and probably not worth worrying about.

If SR MBP is classed as "Rev. A", I don't see how "Rev. B" or "Rev. C" can ever exist. I mean, it's not really much of an upgrade compared to sticking in Intel chips... Unless they do a massive redesign, which I really hope they do.

Either way, it's probably best to wait a week or two after they have been released to buy.

Oh, and um, I'm pretty sure the Leopard/Penryn thing is a joke... And also, Leopard will be out before Penryn, by at least a few months. I think MWSF2008 for the first Penryn macs. Compared to October for Leopard.
 
I don't understand why a lot of you are saying that Apple wont put SR in it's stuff until October, or 2150 or whatever. It's out next month and all their products using the mobile chipset are due for an upgrade. Why wont they simply release them as soon as possible like all other PC manufacturers?
 
Manic Mouse said:
I don't understand why a lot of you are saying that Apple wont put SR in it's stuff until October, or 2150 or whatever. It's out next month and all their products using the mobile chipset are due for an upgrade. Why wont they simply release them as soon as possible like all other PC manufacturers?
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Some here think Apple won't upgrade the hardware line until Leopard is ready.

Personally, I think Apple will upgrade much sooner than that, if only to keep the bulletpoints more or less equivalent to the Windows machines in time for the back-to-school market, lest the little darlings off to uni be lumbered with a more-impressive-sounding Windows laptop by the well-meaning-but-technically-inept parents who are paying for it.

However, this is Apple we're talking about...
 
GMa?

Hi everyone!
I also think that apple is about to upgrade the MP series!
But I was wondering about the X1600 Cards...
Thoses are outdated now....
And some people are saying that SR is just adding the "robson" technlogy....

If Apple want to conquer more users , they must improve their graphics!!!
why do you think?
 
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