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'Santa Rosa' Shipping from Intel Next Month (May)
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MBP benchmarks may not be that great, but they should get a decent boost if not from a higher frequency (i.e. clocked) chip then from the new Intel chips with more L2 cache, should Apple choose to use them. For more information, see this article over at anandtech.
MBP benchmarks may not be that great, but they should get a decent boost if not from a higher frequency (i.e. clocked) chip then from the new Intel chips with more L2 cache, should Apple choose to use them. For more information, see this article over at anandtech.
I think based on what happened with the C2D MacBook Pro's, we will see new MBP's no earlier than July- If anyone can recall, it took Apple a few months to even implement the C2D.
This new processor will need software enhancements to take advantage of the new flash hardware–and as everyone already knows, Apple is busting a$$ on getting the iPhone out by pooling all of it's software resources to help out with the phone's mini OSX.
It would be sweet to see Santa Rosa in Apple's mobile platforms at WWDC, but I am just guessing with all this hype there will be a LOT of angry and pissed off Apple fan's who are ready to buy a new laptop. Given Apple's history with the C2D MBP update, I highly doubt they will release an update at WWDC. The only thing that suggests an update is the average length between updates... Everything else is pointing at a summer/fall update alongside Leopard.
p.s. LONG LIVE THE C2D MACBOOK PRO'S!!!
This new processor will need software enhancements to take advantage of the new flash hardware–and as everyone already knows, Apple is busting a$$ on getting the iPhone out by pooling all of it's software resources to help out with the phone's mini OSX.
It would be sweet to see Santa Rosa in Apple's mobile platforms at WWDC, but I am just guessing with all this hype there will be a LOT of angry and pissed off Apple fan's who are ready to buy a new laptop. Given Apple's history with the C2D MBP update, I highly doubt they will release an update at WWDC. The only thing that suggests an update is the average length between updates... Everything else is pointing at a summer/fall update alongside Leopard.
p.s. LONG LIVE THE C2D MACBOOK PRO'S!!!
Those are desktop chips... highest frequency notebook chip is still the 2.33ghz Core 2 Duo.
You can see the intel lineup and price list here:
http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/10/101302/Apr_22_07_1ku_Price_r3.pdf
Dueling links baby... I'm on fuego...
I agree... BUT you can also argue that 2006 was a transition year for Apple and now they're going to come out with the Intel-based updates faster. Like you, I think that's just wishful thinking, but I can understand the argument and in another year or so that may be the case.
I think based on what happened with the C2D MacBook Pro's, we will see new MBP's no earlier than July- If anyone can recall, it took Apple a few months to even implement the C2D.
This new processor will need software enhancements to take advantage of the new flash hardwareand as everyone already knows, Apple is busting a$$ on getting the iPhone out by pooling all of it's software resources to help out with the phone's mini OSX.
It would be sweet to see Santa Rosa in Apple's mobile platforms at WWDC, but I am just guessing with all this hype there will be a LOT of angry and pissed off Apple fan's who are ready to buy a new laptop. Given Apple's history with the C2D MBP update, I highly doubt they will release an update at WWDC. The only thing that suggests an update is the average length between updates... Everything else is pointing at a summer/fall update alongside Leopard.
p.s. LONG LIVE THE C2D MACBOOK PRO'S!!!
There's always that possibility. However, the first Intel Macs were released at MWSF06 the day after Intel announced the original Core Duo (Yonah) chip. So, there is really no way to tell.
My advice (as if Apple needs it) would be to update the iMac and MBP by the end of May, show off iPhone at WWDC and have it release end of June, and let the MacBook lag about 6-8 weeks for an update in July before Back to School.
My number one hope is that they give the MBP a user replaceable hard drive. Number two is that they give it a good GPU. With a user replaceable drive I probably would have bought a MBP months ago though.
No, it doesn't need power to maintain data...and the technology is just a cache of a few GB max that basically gives the system the equivalent of more RAM (and/or lets it boot faster). Vista already supports this on USB drives and other flash cards, but Intel's doing this as a built-in solution, which might give better performance.
Totally agree. The x1600 was a joke when it was first put in there. I mean it's fine for some people, but if you need/want 3D hardware, that was low end last year. I really hope they boost it.
I pointed that out in another thread, but was told that was because it took a while for the Core 2 to hit higher clock speeds-they didn't have the 2Ghz+chips right at launch, I guess (or at least no in quantity). I was told that actually Dell took a while to get the faster chips too (even though they introduced systems with the Core 2 right away).
In other words, I was told that Apple actually did start using Core 2 faster than what we think.
I'm guessing if they plan on using it, they'll have support built-in to 10.5. I doubt they'll bother supporting in in 10.4, since it would have to be a major patch, and 10.5 is already out anyway.
No, it doesn't need power to maintain data...and the technology is just a cache of a few GB max that basically gives the system the equivalent of more RAM (and/or lets it boot faster). Vista already supports this on USB drives and other flash cards, but Intel's doing this as a built-in solution, which might give better performance.
Totally agree. The x1600 was a joke when it was first put in there. I mean it's fine for some people, but if you need/want 3D hardware, that was low end last year. I really hope they boost it.
I pointed that out in another thread, but was told that was because it took a while for the Core 2 to hit higher clock speeds-they didn't have the 2Ghz+chips right at launch, I guess (or at least no in quantity). I was told that actually Dell took a while to get the faster chips too (even though they introduced systems with the Core 2 right away).
In other words, I was told that Apple actually did start using Core 2 faster than what we think.
I'm guessing if they plan on using it, they'll have support built-in to 10.5. I doubt they'll bother supporting in in 10.4, since it would have to be a major patch, and 10.5 is already out anyway.
By the way, as you even quoted in Intel's statement about the product, "Robson Caching" is now called "Turbo Memory." I think that not only the guide should reflect this but also MR's reporting.
But maybe I'm being picky.
-Clive
And what would be an alternative?? I really don't see anything on the maket what could have some serious advantage over x1600. Its either power suckers which wont fit in MBP or cards that dont offer any real improvment
That's what I'm thinking (hoping) as well!
I think it is also logical that you'll see iMac/MBP's updated first and then followed by the Mini/MB's. And I surely HOPE that we are talking MBP's by the end of May. That means I should be seeing refurb SR/MBP's in early July and SHAZAM! it will be mine!
I think it is also logical that you'll see iMac/MBP's updated first and then followed by the Mini/MB's. And I surely HOPE that we are talking MBP's by the end of May. That means I should be seeing refurb SR/MBP's in early July and SHAZAM! it will be mine!
waiting improvments to switch!
, in the future I would like apple to communicate a bit more upon their choices , and roadmaps lol
Because 'im sure that there are millions of people wanting to Switch to Mac stuff waiting the proper opportunity! (hardware , leopard..)
Soooo sad ,
I hope that there will be 2.33Ghz , with 2Gb ram , and X1800 (which don't suck tooo much power...) and , it will be fine!!
Humm another question ,DX10? on Santa ROSA?
Dream?
lol
, in the future I would like apple to communicate a bit more upon their choices , and roadmaps lol
Because 'im sure that there are millions of people wanting to Switch to Mac stuff waiting the proper opportunity! (hardware , leopard..)
Soooo sad ,
I hope that there will be 2.33Ghz , with 2Gb ram , and X1800 (which don't suck tooo much power...) and , it will be fine!!
Humm another question ,DX10? on Santa ROSA?
Dream?
lol
And what would be an alternative?? I really don't see anything on the maket what could have some serious advantage over x1600. Its either power suckers which wont fit in MBP or cards that dont offer any real improvment
So redesign the case! Function over form and all that.
I dont agree! If you need real power go desktop. Notebook have to compromise on many fronts and GPU is one of them. I think that for is at least as important as funktion. I would NOT trade form over better GPU. Actually x1600 is not that bad. You dont have to play games on it.
Well, not all of us can use a desktop. Yeah, notebooks make compromises, but that dosen't mean they have to use a low-end GPU. Windows notebooks have been using Geforce 7800/7900 chips for over a year, and the mid range 7600 would be a decent upgrade too. I'm disapointed they didn't at least throw something better like that into the 17" model.
I think you're right about the date, but I'd expect we'll see SR iMacs then. For some reason the notebooks seem to lag a month or two and the iMacs get the new technology much more quickly. I'll have a 24" on order if that happens, hopefully with a sexy new case.
Noetbooks don't have to compromise. If you want a blueray reading, geforce go 7950gtx having notebook Dell is happy to ablige. Apple doesn't cater to videogame players. Never has, and probably never will.
x1800
Ohhh yess a x1800 would be soooo great! and the consumption between x1600 and x1800 are not so different!
Moreover , I think that apple should realy improve theirs graphics , because , today , those damned graphics are the last reason not to have a mac!
Realy , with intel chips , parralels or boot camp , you can enjoy all the advantages of windows and mac!
Exepted the graphics...
I don't ask for an Sli of 8800GTx on the MBP lol , but just a solid Graphic hardware , for games , but also for others vid apps...
Ohhh yess a x1800 would be soooo great! and the consumption between x1600 and x1800 are not so different!
Moreover , I think that apple should realy improve theirs graphics , because , today , those damned graphics are the last reason not to have a mac!
Realy , with intel chips , parralels or boot camp , you can enjoy all the advantages of windows and mac!
Exepted the graphics...
I don't ask for an Sli of 8800GTx on the MBP lol , but just a solid Graphic hardware , for games , but also for others vid apps...
true they have it but in real life 7900 is about 10% better than x1600 so its not much. And ATI haven;t even announce anything that would possibly fit in MBP yet. So I guess 1600 is decent choice for now.
X1600 perfs
Humm , I do not exactly agree when you say me that the perf between X1600 and 7900 are the same!
3dmark06 for X1600 : 1800 points
7900 Gs(also for laptops) 3800 points!
The difference is Huge!
Anyway , I think , that apple can win a lot with consteting other laptops designed for gaming!
Indeed with adopting Intel and Tiger , apple came from 7 million users to 26 milion , it's quite a sign..
Humm , I do not exactly agree when you say me that the perf between X1600 and 7900 are the same!
3dmark06 for X1600 : 1800 points
7900 Gs(also for laptops) 3800 points!
The difference is Huge!
Anyway , I think , that apple can win a lot with consteting other laptops designed for gaming!
Indeed with adopting Intel and Tiger , apple came from 7 million users to 26 milion , it's quite a sign..