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SATA issue after 10.6.3 update

checked on windows boot and it really is downclocked to 1.5gb/s sata. There are 2 ways to that happen, or it's a firmware imposed limitation or it is a jumper limitation (very unlikely).

They should fix it....
 
my current gen 1.86Ghz air is in the same boat. This thing took SIGNIFICANTLY longer to boot up.

I'll have to play with it some more to see if I can recover it, but I've already run Onyx once, and I don't exactly have this thing overloaded with TSRs either >.>
 
3 Gig / 3 Gig here - no issues. Boot time still about 8 seconds, programs open almost instantly.

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Damn.. my 15" with the intel x25-m 80GB G2 SSD is doing the same thing with 1.5 Gigabit negotiated link speed.. I dont feel anything being slower but wtf!!

update: Oh nevermind, I looked at the wrong profile lol.

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If your running the stock HDD that came with your macbook pro, it should show the speed as 1.5 Gigabit because the stock HDDs are only SATA-I HDDS.

I know this forsure as I've had SATA-II issues with the first gen 15" unibody macbook pro even after the firmware 1.7 update.
 
the stock HDDs are only SATA-I HDDS.
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Well, the web agrees with you, at least in my case:

Product details
Long Name HS12UHE
Storage Hard Drive / Capacity 120
Storage Hard Drive / Interface Type SATA
Storage Hard Drive / Buffer Size 16
Construction Type Split Wall Mounted Unit
Manufacturer Samsung

So if this information is correct, my drive has always run at this speed, my system info simply didn't have a line to tell me this.

Ok then. . why after the update are my start up times significantly longer?

what did you change Apple???
 
fernando.kreutz said:
well, as i mentioned before, my hdd is a toshiba MK3255GSXF (the F is because is special to apple) and cheking the specs its very cleat that it is a 3 gbit sata 2. So... if apple really flashed it with a 1.5 gbit locked firmware, it means that apple realy suck!
http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=StorageSolutions/PCNotebookHardDrives/MKxx55GSXSeries
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How many people will it take to tell you that it doesn't matter if it was SATA4/10/5000. It still wont even reach the maximum speeds of SATA 1.5Gbit. If you have an SSD, and your getting 1.5Gbit, then thats another story.
 
wallace0134 said:
Also, for the non-Hitachi drives, note that it has been speculated before (and somewhat supported) that Apple has the hard drive manufacturers do a special firmware for the hard drives it uses in the computers for various purposes, and this may include limiting drives to 1.5 Gbps. [Speculation of this was even more well-supported when users of the mid-2009 13" and 15" MBP upgraded to EFI 1.7, and had troubles with new drives running at 3 Gbps but not when those drives were artificially limited to 1.5 Gbps, or when using Apple-shipping drives reported to run at 1.5 Gbps when chucked into another system.] So it is entirely plausible that your drives won't negotiate a link of faster than 1.5 Gbps in any system by firmware restraint at Apple's request.
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I'm one of the lucky ones who needed to downgrade to EFI 1.6 after upgrading the hard drive (Apple firmwared SATA I to OEM SATA II) on my Mid-2009 MBP. Before downgrading to EFI 1.6, the SATA II drive would often not boot, and when it did it would beach ball constantly. After downgrading to EFI 1.6, forcing the system to SATA I mode, the system has been running perfectly.

I would love to hear if these updates have allowed anyone who needed EFI 1.6, to upgrade their EFI version. I would also be interested if anyone knows if the negotiated link rate can somehow be set to 1.5 instead of 3 Gbps - since I believe if I was able to set the rate to 1.5 Gbps, I would then be able to upgrade my EFI version from 1.6.
 
coryndiego said:
I called and completely stumped the support guy who answered. After 20 minutes of questions he put me on hold for 5 minutes to talk to a senior support tech... then he told me what I wrote above. I would like to read about another call to Apple. Anyone?
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Like I said but noone read I used cleanmymac to delete the application caches and my boot speed came back to normal
 
i also experienced slow booting time after the upgrade. i just repair permissions and reload cache upon restart. and it's back to normal. ;)
 
Sneakz said:
How many people will it take to tell you that it doesn't matter if it was SATA4/10/5000. It still wont even reach the maximum speeds of SATA 1.5Gbit. If you have an SSD, and your getting 1.5Gbit, then thats another story.
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+1
 
mmdc said:
Slower startup after the update here as well. I am using an Intel X25-M G2 80GB SSD in a MB991LL/A.

Startup used to only take 1-2 rotations of the "cog" and after the update, it takes about 10.

Trying a couple things like repairing disk permissions, resetting PRAM... Will report back, and hopefully startup time goes back to normal!
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I noticed this too, but I believe there was some cleanup (kernel extension caches maybe?) being done after your first start right after 10.6.3 was installed. After a couple restarts, everything is fast as usual.
 
fehhkk said:
I noticed this too, but I believe there was some cleanup (kernel extension caches maybe?) being done after your first start right after 10.6.3 was installed. After a couple restarts, everything is fast as usual.
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I noticed the slow boot up too. Perhaps I will reset PRAM tonight and see.
 
Sneakz said:
How many people will it take to tell you that it doesn't matter if it was SATA4/10/5000. It still wont even reach the maximum speeds of SATA 1.5Gbit. If you have an SSD, and your getting 1.5Gbit, then thats another story.
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have u ever made a benchmark with a harddrive, unsing it's native sata 2 link speed, an then forcing it to sata 1 link speed? No? So yes, i tmakes a lot of difference. Specially because the hw cache, that transfers are the ones the gets the bigger boost.
 
The poster above is correct. It is 100% perfectly normal and expected to get a longer initial boot after any major OS X update. If you boot in verbose mode APPLE-V during startup, you'll see it does a few one time things, such as update kext prebinding and update spotlight database. A few bootups later things should be back to normal naturally.

And yes Apple didn't change anything speed wise in the update. The only thing there did was make the reporting more accurate. Before when it said 3 gbps that was ambiguous as too if you were actually getting 3 gbps or if it was reporting the max possible speed the chipset supported. Now we can tell it supports upto 3 gbps but in reality we were getting 1.5 gbps all along.
 
Hi I havent updated my MacBook Pro with the latest update but I'm preparing myself to see the 1.5Gbs limit for my Hitachi HTS723232L9SA62 HDD.

I did a search and found the following info on the forum about the HTS723232L9SA62 HDD:

It confirms the HTS723232L9SA62 HDD speed to be 1.5Gbs, it might be the same case for anyone which experiences the same thing

yes , HTS723232L9SA62 has 7200 speed.

H FOR HITACHI
T FOR TRAVELSTAR
S FOR STANDARD
72 FOR 7200 RPM
32 FOR 320GB FULL CAPACITY
32 FOR 320GB CAPACITY FOR THIS MODEL
L FO GENERATION CODE
9 FOR 9.5MM Z-HEIGHT
SA FOR 1.5GB/S
6 FOR "RESERVED"
2 FOR "RESERVED" I GUESS THIS ONE FOR MAC APPLE COMPANY.


go to this web site for the confirmation of my answer post.

http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techlib.nsf/techdocs/03E516A3C41738C78625743B005AD957/$file/TS7K320_DS.pdf
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Intel X25-M G1 80GB. Did the update to 10.6.3, the boot process on my 13" MacBook Pro is not longer than before. Still SATA 3Gbps.
 
So i never timed my startup before, but after noticing a significant slowdown after the update i decided to time it. The results were pretty shocking, it takes a whole 43.8 seconds to startup for full use. Does that program "cleanmymac" really work?
 
fernando.kreutz said:
have u ever made a benchmark with a harddrive, unsing it's native sata 2 link speed, an then forcing it to sata 1 link speed? No? So yes, i tmakes a lot of difference. Specially because the hw cache, that transfers are the ones the gets the bigger boost.
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It doesn't matter if the speed limit is 1,500mph or 3,000mph your car is not going to go any faster.

If you can find benchmarks to prove us wrong, I would like to see them.
 
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