Really? Both used essentially the same tech, and neither of them was the first portable digital player afaik, and iPod preceded the Zune, again afaik.
Yes, the iPod came before the Zune, and some of the first digital music players I've seen . . . . I've seen, have Serial ATA ports on them.
The general consensus is to admit that the victor had superior tech, and in the case of the Zune and iPod (like Betamax and VHS) that wasn't so true. They were hideous looking IMHO, but the UI and the accompanying Zune Music software were a nice alternative to stale (at the time) iTunes.
The Zune UI personally was definitely better to use than the click, scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, click, scroll, iPod.
Now, I do agree with you about Toast, it did give you the option to not download those apps which I gladly took advantage of. I hated that the BluRay burning plugin was extra.
It did however, take the guess work out of burning CDs and DVDs on the Mac and the PC. The two advantages I remember off the top of my head were not finalizing a DVD or CD, which the Mac did by default, and being able to burn a video DVD with no menus.
I know. Ive been trying NOT to respond to him. TRYING REALLY REALLY HARD
I agree as well, and there are times when folks will point to FUD to help make their case on other forums. Correcting people is a double edge sword. Sadly, if they'd just look up the information and leave the bias at the table they'd see how slightly off they are.
Ah, Metro apps. I use a few now and then. I do think they're much better for touch than desktop use.....If I had a touchscreen, I'd probably use more Metro apps.
Very well said points, and regardless of what many say, I find the combo of a touch UI and traditional desktop UI to be well suited to a tablet that can hook up to a monitor and keyboard and mouse.
Being able to use a tablet as a touch only device, with touch enabled Metro styles apps like Evernote, IE, Photoshop Touch, Google Now, Dropbox, Skydrive, Facebook, Skype, etc. is REALLY nice. Then being able to plug the tablet into a 27" monitor and get a traditional desktop experience with those same exact apps is lightyears ahead of what many folks may be used to.
If Microsoft can make the transition less jarring they would definitely have something.
Also, yes, being able to have a touch UI on the tablet while the 27" has the desktop UI blew my mind. Definitely would be confusing for many though.