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No one ever disbelieved that many basic technologies behind the Macintosh were invented at Xerox PARC. Maybe only the high price stopped the Xerox Star or that it was a closed system without the ability to write third-party software.

„A few years later, Apple launched the Macintosh, which borrowed many concepts from PARC and is considered the first commercially successful GUI/mouse-equipped PC.“ (Link)

Successful also marks the fine line between what the Brothers Wright did and all the others before them. The world is full of commercially failed attempts to build a tablet computer. Which one do you wanna pick as the first tablet?

So your measure of first is the first successful? It isn't the person who actually made the first one, just the one who made it successful? That isn't how reality works.
 
Nothing, except usability. Please read this scientific study:

Windows 8 — Disappointing Usability for Both Novice and Power Users

Summary: Hidden features, reduced discoverability, cognitive overhead from dual environments, and reduced power from a single-window UI and low information density. Too bad.
All of their products solidified under one UI with disappointing usability. Maybe that's the problem.
Headline of the first paragraph: Double Desktop = Cognitive Overhead and Added Memory Load
And I tell you, the rest of the world is avoiding Windows 8 as if it is Vista 2.

Ballmer isn't as stupid as he appears on video. Of course he wanted to move quicker, but all the weight. Microsoft is still Microsoft and can't move faster than it moves. And it can't be user friendlier than it is. The company has grown to what it is now, not what it wants to be.

"Single Window UI" ?? I just opened dozens of new windows in Desktop. Reviewer is either incorrect or the oversight has been corrected.

"Double Desktop" - funny, I've noticed that Win8.1 uses far less memory than MacOS or Windows 7, whether I'm running the Desktop environment or not. Also, which of the two you use is entirely up to the user. You can even boot directly to the desktop if you want. I don't see how it's a cognitive overload if you pick the one that works best for you and stick with it.

"Flat style reduces discoverability"? Not necessarily. They've eliminated most of the things you cannot interact with. This example?

win8-settings-menu.png


EVERYTHING on that menu is clickable.

"Low information density" - This is not a bad thing. This calls attention to the information that is important, and allows you to scale the info you do see rather than confusing you and overloading you with information.

Live Tiles are new, and not everybody has figured out how best to use them - as the author stated, they are a double-edged sword, and when good, are VERY good.

He also disses the hidden UI elements, but I've been HIDING UI elements for YEARS so that I didn't have to stare at them all the time. Sure, it's something you need to learn to do at first, but it's something many people did ANYWAY, and I've had zero trouble with it.

I can't talk much about it's usefulness on a tablet, since the only touch UI I use is on my Nokia (where it works incredibly well).

I think perhaps the author was either a bit preemtive with his review, or just doesn't like any sort of change. In any case, I'm not so sure it qualifies as a "scientific study", since much of it is subjective and completely ignores factual information as I've pointed out.

In any case, it appears as though he has similar things to say about iOS. http://www.nngroup.com/articles/ios-7/

Edit - one more thing, Windows 8/8.1 have surpassed 10% in only a touch over a year. This isn't so bad. Consider if you will how long it took OSX to solidify itself in the Mac userbase. ...and also consider that it's more than a little ironic to see someone on a Mac user site diss a product because it has a low marketshare. ...especially when Windows 8/8.1 have about the same amount of marketshare as ALL versions of MacOS combined.
 
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"Single Window UI" ?? I just opened dozens of new windows in Desktop. Reviewer is either incorrect or the oversight has been corrected.

"Double Desktop" - funny, I've noticed that Win8.1 uses far less memory than MacOS or Windows 7, whether I'm running the Desktop environment or not. Also, which of the two you use is entirely up to the user. You can even boot directly to the desktop if you want. I don't see how it's a cognitive overload if you pick the one that works best for you and stick with it.

"Flat style reduces discoverability"? Not necessarily. They've eliminated most of the things you cannot interact with. This example?

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EVERYTHING on that menu is clickable.

"Low information density" - This is not a bad thing. This calls attention to the information that is important, and allows you to scale the info you do see rather than confusing you and overloading you with information.

Live Tiles are new, and not everybody has figured out how best to use them - as the author stated, they are a double-edged sword, and when good, are VERY good.

He also disses the hidden UI elements, but I've been HIDING UI elements for YEARS so that I didn't have to stare at them all the time. Sure, it's something you need to learn to do at first, but it's something many people did ANYWAY, and I've had zero trouble with it.

I can't talk much about it's usefulness on a tablet, since the only touch UI I use is on my Nokia (where it works incredibly well).

I think perhaps the author was either a bit preemtive with his review, or just doesn't like any sort of change. In any case, I'm not so sure it qualifies as a "scientific study", since much of it is subjective and completely ignores factual information as I've pointed out.

In any case, it appears as though he has similar things to say about iOS. http://www.nngroup.com/articles/ios-7/

I will for you.

It is excellent on a tablet.
 
I believe over the next decade computing will become even more ubiquitous and intelligence will become ambient. The coevolution of software and new hardware form factors will intermediate and digitize — many of the things we do and experience in business, life and our world.

Microsoft needs a visionary at the helm and what they ended up with is a company guy who's been around Microsoft for 22 years. From the quote above, taken from his email to all employees regarding his appointment as CEO, belies one of Microsoft's biggest problems - the inability to articulate what they do for their customers in a way that an ordinary person can relate to and respond to. The quote above is practically gibberish. "Intelligence will become...ambient?" "Software and hardware will...intermediate and digitize?" Geeze it's practically psychobabble. What exactly are they selling?

When Apple introduced new products, they (particularly Jobs) excelled at explaining what the need was and how using its technologies and products solved that need in very practical terms that anyone could understand. So far, it appears Microsoft still suffers from its basic age old problem of simply explaining itself.
 
In spite of his qualifications and experience, ultimately what matters is what is he going to do for the stock price?

If that doesn't budge then it's going to be "Off with his head" cries from Wall Street analysts and board of directors.

Who cares for long term planning and stability anymore?
 
MS for many years had a notorious "stacked ranking" system where all employees would be ranked and the ones ranked at the bottom would be fired. Rank and yank is still popular in corporate culture, as I believe both Amazon and Yahoo use it.

But MS's implementation was extremely rigid, and what that led to (confirmed by many ex-employees) was a culture where people would rather be on a weak team than a strong team, where currying favor with upper management was valued above all else, and thus many great ideas and projects never saw the light of day.

I wonder if this CEO will really change the culture where people are more concerned about making great products and less concerned about being yanked.
 
"Double Desktop" - funny, I've noticed that Win8.1 uses far less memory than MacOS or Windows 7.
Funny, with memory they mean actual brain memory. Or the amount of context information you need to have present to understand, why the computer behaves different under some conditions.
I don't see how it's a cognitive overload if you pick the one that works best for you and stick with it.
You still need to be aware that things work different should you ever enter the other desktop accidentally.
"Low information density" - This is not a bad thing. This calls attention to the information that is important.
On the other hand, the human brain tends to instantly forget everything we don't see anymore. Its a huge productivity killer. People forget what they wanted to do.
Live Tiles are new, and not everybody has figured out how best to use them.
Our spatial memory helps us to find things based on where we have seen them last. Therefore John Siracusa always wanted to bring the spatial finder back. Shifting things around is hampering rediscoverability. Changing their appearance is absolutely destroying it. Live Tiles are the worst.
He also disses the hidden UI elements, but I've been HIDING UI elements for YEARS so that I didn't have to stare at them all the time. Sure, it's something you need to learn to do at first.
First you need to learn them and then you need to remember them without any visual clues. If that would be any easy, we could have sticked with the command line and avoided GUI-computing altogether.
I think perhaps the author was either a bit preemtive with his review, or just doesn't like any sort of change.
Change is also a killer of productivity. Nothing should ever change, unless it makes everything more obvious.
In any case, it appears as though he has similar things to say about iOS. iOS 7 User-Experience Appraisal
He is right. There is no doubt about it, iOS 7 sucks. Swipe Ambiguity is the worst.
Also consider that it's more than a little ironic to see someone on a Mac user site diss a product because it has a low marketshare.
I'm also dissing iOS 7 no matter the marketshare. I am both a user and a hater of it. I am not using Windows 8, mostly because Microsoft wants me to pay for it. The problems of a software company, it needs to create reasons for payed upgrades. The horror of Vista was a good reason to upgrade to Windows 7. Now Microsoft must pay me to leave it.
 
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No surprise there, Microsoft is and has been an Indian run operation for a long time. No Innovation whatsoever comes out of Microsoft these days, I could care less about the next windows or their next Service Pack. I find more excitement in Apple's beta updates!

-Mike

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MS for many years had a notorious "stacked ranking" system where all employees would be ranked and the ones ranked at the bottom would be fired. Rank and yank is still popular in corporate culture, as I believe both Amazon and Yahoo use it.

But MS's implementation was extremely rigid, and what that led to (confirmed by many ex-employees) was a culture where people would rather be on a weak team than a strong team, where currying favor with upper management was valued above all else, and thus many great ideas and projects never saw the light of day.

I wonder if this CEO will really change the culture where people are more concerned about making great products and less concerned about being yanked.
Huh? Sounds like modern day Slavery!

-Mike
 
When Apple introduced new products, they (particularly Jobs) excelled at explaining what the need was and how using its technologies and products solved that need in very practical terms that anyone could understand. So far, it appears Microsoft still suffers from its basic age old problem of simply explaining itself.
It's not that they can't explain themselves ...

Microsoft to enterprises – Our system runs on every hardware so we are always the cheapest.
Microsoft to manufacturers – You can install Windows on all your machines or on none of them.
Microsoft to competition – Either you stop competing with us or we will destroy you.
Microsoft to users – What else can you use and stay compatible with our proprietary standards?

... more that the message isn't appealing.
 
Microsoft needs a visionary at the helm and what they ended up with is a company guy who's been around Microsoft for 22 years. From the quote above, taken from his email to all employees regarding his appointment as CEO, belies one of Microsoft's biggest problems - the inability to articulate what they do for their customers in a way that an ordinary person can relate to and respond to. The quote above is practically gibberish. "Intelligence will become...ambient?" "Software and hardware will...intermediate and digitize?" Geeze it's practically psychobabble. What exactly are they selling?

When Apple introduced new products, they (particularly Jobs) excelled at explaining what the need was and how using its technologies and products solved that need in very practical terms that anyone could understand. So far, it appears Microsoft still suffers from its basic age old problem of simply explaining itself.

Actually that quote seems like how Microsoft describes Apple in their meetings.
 
Cloud, not enterprise. And they're not abandoning it, it's how they're addressing the reality the PC market is shrinking

You look at what MS has done with Azure/cloud in only half a decade, it's pretty impressive

They also have a growing strength in mid-tier software and analytics. I think the fact this new executive is not from the OS or Office division bodes well for MS. A different perspective on where they need to grow. From what I read he is quite intelligent - not just from an engineering perspective - but intellectual and has a strategic view.

Nothing is guaranteed but I think it was a solid pick. The easy choice would have been a known outsider who might have good managerial talents - but not necessarily the insights into MS - both on its strengths and weaknesses.
 
So your measure of first is the first successful? It isn't the person who actually made the first one, just the one who made it successful? That isn't how reality works.

The dude doesn't know what he's talking about

The fact he thinks MS ripped off Netflix's DVD Delivery service to create Xbox Live was a dead giveaway
 
The dude doesn't know what he's talking about

The fact he thinks MS ripped off Netflix's DVD Delivery service to create Xbox Live was a dead giveaway

Actually, it is becoming quite obvious that he's a loyal Apple fan and will say anything as long as it ends with a reason why 'all of Apple's competition sucks'. Just look at his prior post about their messaging.
 
I agree, Flyover is a piece of censored and Apples mapping data is probably the worst in the industry. Flyover would be useful if only it worked reliably, but load times are still too long. It does not look good only after a few seconds after all movement has stopped.

But why don't you answer my actual argument, that it isn't a direct copy of Street View and that Apple isn't going for Googles revenue stream. Apple does maps, because maps and navigation is essential for mobile devices, like fonts and word-processing have been essential for office computers. But no one at Apple said, look Google makes so much money with location-based search, we need to be in that business too.
No they said google is making money that isnt right and compromised user experience with an own build software.

Wether it be out of spite, or to hamper a competitor doesnt really matter its still bad.



Instead they said, look Microsoft keeps losing all this money at numerous failed attempts to create a tablet computer, we will show them how its done.
Surface 2 is actualy one of the best out there. For content creation several tims better then ipad/android .
 
No surprise there, Microsoft is and has been an Indian run operation for a long time. No Innovation whatsoever comes out of Microsoft these days, I could care less about the next windows or their next Service Pack. I find more excitement in Apple's beta updates!


-Mike
Stereo type much.:rolleyes:
You need to take off that hood with the apple logo, take a few steps back and get some perspective.
 
I'm glad you understand how reality works, even if you're saying it sarcastically. The Xerox Alto was first sold in 1981, by the way as the Xerox Star. That is still before the original Macintosh.

Calling the Xerox Star an Alto by another name is a gross oversimplification, even more gross than calling the Mac a Xerox Star by another name.
 
Calling the Xerox Star an Alto by another name is a gross oversimplification, even more gross than calling the Mac a Xerox Star by another name.

Fine, I grossly oversimplified.

My main point was actually that Xerox put out a computer that used a mouse years before the first Macintosh.
 
OK so he is responsible for Office365? Cloud integration into Office2013?
Microsoft is doomed.

Office365 is horrible. We tried it at our work and then abandoned it as too buggy, unstable, and unreliable to ever trust. YMMV but for us it an absolute and utter failure.

As far as Office2013 is concerned, the cloud is tied into it so far we simply cannot use it. We just will not trust our confidential and private documents to storage outside our walls. We played with a couple of copies and then laid in a pile of Office2010 while they were still available. The difficulty in turning cloud storage off made is skip that version.

And THIS was the guy responsible for those two fiascoes?
I'll say it again. Microsoft is doomed.
You obviously don't have a clue on what you're talking about, you're all wrong.

Nadella led the teams that brought a lot Microsoft infrastructure services online, not necessarily applications. I'm talking about the Azure platform, so things like SQL Server, VMs, Active Directory, ASP, .NET all being ported to a cloud infrastructure hosted in Microsoft datacenters - THAT is what he did. It's probably one of the most important things Microsoft did in the last decade, in preparation for the next decade, so in my opinion, there is no person MORE qualified than Nadella to lead Microsoft at this time.

Is he Bill Gates or Steve Jobs? Probably not, but he'll certainly be 100x better than Ballmer.

You are right about one thing, though: Office 365 is a weak product, but that wasn't something he oversaw.
 
Funny, with memory they mean actual brain memory. Or the amount of context information you need to have present to understand, why the computer behaves different under some conditions.

Funny, I seem to be able to seamlessly move between Windows 7, 8, Mac OS, iOS and Linux without any trouble at all. I wonder how dumbed down things need to be to please you and this author?

You still need to be aware that things work different should you ever enter the other desktop accidentally.

That's like saying you need to be aware that the car will drive backwards when you put it in reverse.

On the other hand, the human brain tends to instantly forget everything we don't see anymore. Its a huge productivity killer. People forget what they wanted to do.

People forget what they wanted to do when they see a squirrel. ...or a cat video. Or whatever the clickbait du jour is on whatever page they're on. Removal of visual information can increase productivity by allowing people to focus on the task at hand rather than constantly trying to get them to click on everything all the time.

Our spatial memory helps us to find things based on where we have seen them last. Therefore John Siracusa always wanted to bring the spatial finder back. Shifting things around is hampering rediscoverability. Changing their appearance is absolutely destroying it. Live Tiles are the worst.

Live tiles are bad when the visual change is so much that you no longer recognize the tile. Where they're good is actually spacial recognition - they don't change places unless you move them, so it makes things easy to find. Where's Facebook? Duh, it's right where I left it.

First you need to learn them and then you need to remember them without any visual clues. If that would be any easy, we could have sticked with the command line and avoided GUI-computing altogether.

Dude, you can't compare putting the mouse in a corner or swiping from the side of the screen to using a command prompt, they're simply apples and oranges. That's just silly. It's really not hard to learn to mouse over to the side, or swipe from the side.

Change is also a killer of productivity. Nothing should ever change, unless it makes everything more obvious.

...or if it makes things easier for new users. Remember the Human population is self-replacing.

He is right. There is no doubt about it, iOS 7 sucks. Swipe Ambiguity is the worst.

The iOS 7 swipe problems are big. My mom can't figure out how to use her iPhone anymore, but she seems to have no trouble with my Nokia. Maybe I'll give that to her once I get the 925. Then I'll sell the iPhone and pay for the new phone AND a nice dinner for the family.

I'm also dissing iOS 7 no matter the marketshare. I am both a user and a hater of it. I am not using Windows 8, mostly because Microsoft wants me to pay for it. The problems of a software company, it needs to create reasons for payed upgrades. The horror of Vista was a good reason to upgrade to Windows 7. Now Microsoft must pay me to leave it.

TBH, if I wasn't building a new machine and didn't need to buy a new copy of Windows, I'd have stuck with Win 7 on my laptop and Mac OS on my desktop, but my Mac was getting to be insufferably slow and the OS kept getting more and more bloated. I needed Win 8 on another machine at one point and was shocked by how lightweight and snappy it was even on older devices. When I decided to ditch the iMac and build a new workstation, I went for 8.1 because it was current and will serve me well into the future without having to upgrade. Did I also like the UI and overall lightweight nature of the OS? You bet. If I'd had Windows 7 for free would I have bought it? No. But that's beside the point.

Windows 8 isn't perfect. Neither is Mavericks, and iOS7 leaves a lot to be desired. The point is that Microsoft is actually being INNOVATIVE, and that's something we should praise, even if they don't always pull it off exactly as we'd like, because it's a new course for the company - they spent decades in Overlycautiousville.
 
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