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Because they are professional line sitters paid by big reseller group who are bringing the phone back to China.

Of course this is the essence of capitalism and they are not breaking the law. I hope Apple launched their products in China as their Day 1 launch so we can reduce this insanity.

I'm getting my phone from online preorder so this does not affect me whatsoever but then again if you don't give a **** about anything that doesn't affect you then might as well be an apathetic stone.


they did but the govt delayed it so apple is trying but to be honest it only helps sales no matter how crazy demand is.

also credit card only wont stop them. they just load up preloaded debit cards that can be used as visa and give it to the scalpers. they will usually find a way around.
 
Because they are professional line sitters paid by big reseller group who are bringing the phone back to China.

Of course this is the essence of capitalism and they are not breaking the law. I hope Apple launched their products in China as their Day 1 launch so we can reduce this insanity.

If you want the phone more than they they want money you should get in sooner then they do. My parent always thought me the early birds get the worm.

There is a big reseller group that buy from these people, however these people are individual person making their own decision buying product to sell at a higher price.
 
This is what capitalism is all about. Make a buck however way you can, legally. I see nothing wrong with scalpers, after it 2 phones per person. I sold my second one to a scalper at $100 mark up while in line. I pretty much made $100 for doing nothing, as I was in line all night anyway. Its not like they can buy up 10 phones, there is a limit of two for everyone.

Of course this is what capitalism is all about. I can even draw parallels between these scalpers and people who were bringing the financial system down to its knees (in the sense that these scalpers are adding zero value to society not that they are destroying the world economy). Neither of them are breaking any laws per se. Heck, I, like you, sold one of my phone on Craigslist.

However, when stuff like this are being done in droves and huge volumes, there is some external cost to the society since they are now constraining the supply and many people couldn't get one. They are bringing those phones to China or reselling it at very high markup.

I hope Apple finds a way to stop this in the future or just launch the phone in China as part of the first batch. This will eliminate a lot of these scalpers.
 
You guys cant be serious, you realize this is what helps with the iHype ... get people to spend days on the street to get one, mark it up, and now you are a premium product...

People scalping phones, are the same as a company "scalping" products, they are buying and selling the product for what the market with prevail.

I sell products, and we have customers that will buy our products and during shortages increase their prices to cover the demand. Do I do it? NO, Do I think it is right? Not for me to decide.

Keep getting upset, but the more people do this, the better it is for apple and the iOS ecosystem.

To each their own... (also the people standing in line only make a few hundred dollars, there is a who network of processes before it gets to the consumer in China)

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Also for most of us that decide to resell our used iPhone's these are the consumers that are buying our unlocked iPhone 5s's... and other phones which keep our phone values high....
 
If you want the phone more than they they want money you should get in sooner then they do. My parent always thought me the early birds get the worm.

There is a big reseller group that buy from these people, however these people are individual person making their own decision buying product to sell at a higher price.

I purchased mine online and it is coming on Monday so I am not impacted by this. In fact, I sold my 2nd phone yesterday to someone on Craigslist. I still think that when done in volumes, these kinds of behavior are now imposing external cost to society because there are people who are genuinely need the phone and unable to obtain them at launch day due to these scalpers. It's not breaking the law but I still disagree with their behavior. It also wasn't required to ask for people's income or employment verification before giving them massive mortgage loans that they couldn't repay (NINJA loans). As you said, part of capitalism but I still frown on it.

I am hoping Apple would launch their products in China as part of the 1st batch and this phenomenon will be greatly reduced.
 
What is disturbing is that this video only profiles the Asians in line as well as the NYC "policeman" that was caught on tape acting unprofessionally. Wonder how many people of other ethnicities will be queuing up if they had a means of hawkering their iPhones for a $2000-$3000 profit?

PS. To some of you I say, be thankful of your privileged lives. Can't imagine how desperate I'd have to be in order to give up 2 days of my life to make money this way...

Didn't you know, white people buying phones are immune from breaking the law.

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at least ill keep mine and not actually put it out on the market to sell for a higher price!

So what if you keep yours? They are selling to people who also keep theirs, and if they got in line before you, more power to them.
 
Of course this is what capitalism is all about. I can even draw parallels between these scalpers and people who were bringing the financial system down to its knees (in the sense that these scalpers are adding zero value to society not that they are destroying the world economy). Neither of them are breaking any laws per se. Heck, I, like you, sold one of my phone on Craigslist.

However, when stuff like this are being done in droves and huge volumes, there is some external cost to the society since they are now constraining the supply and many people couldn't get one. They are bringing those phones to China or reselling it at very high markup.

I hope Apple finds a way to stop this in the future or just launch the phone in China as part of the first batch. This will eliminate a lot of these scalpers.

I don't like what they do, but as long as they are law abiding, I have no complaints. Get in line before they do if you really want the phone. Thats what i did.
 
I think the videos are a great insight, people witnessing lines in Australia didn't understand what was going on. They were here in droves, I was the 3rd or 4th Australian amongst approx 160-170 of them and watched seat selling (even up to half an hour before opening), dodgy deals, security throwing out one of the leaders (although they allowed him back at 5:30am, plus 3-4 other leaders existed in the line in front of me). I even watched the leaders point at the first 70 odd people and say 'these are your people' then at the other group of 60-70 people 'these are my people'.

Leaders ran and hid from news cameras prior to launch, paid attendees with Apple gift cards, or gave them gift cards for purchases that were pre-loaded with dirty money, even handed them scribbled on bits of paper with the stock they had to order. I watched them brief people prior to joining the line on what to say 'you were asleep at your friend X's house and have only just got here' (when I alerted security this was the script they kept spinning to security).

One other Australian in line left voicemails on the Apple store answering machine at midnight before launch altering them of seat selling. I alerted security a number of times during the night before launch and security said they had received a number of complaints. I alerted Apple reps before launch and all they did were hand me off to security, where security did nothing..

Shame on you Apple and centre management – you were both well aware, but due to low stock, big lines, media – I guess you ignored it for your own sake and benefit. You're making money, clean or dirty – so who cares right?

Apple have to do something for future launches. Debit / credit card / interest free card verification, then entered into a lottery system, choose random cards to create your line – or forget the long lines and overnight stays, make it reservation only with card verification.

Cash and iHype are the problems - it's not a good look.
 
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Of course this is what capitalism is all about. I can even draw parallels between these scalpers and people who were bringing the financial system down to its knees (in the sense that these scalpers are adding zero value to society not that they are destroying the world economy). Neither of them are breaking any laws per se. Heck, I, like you, sold one of my phone on Craigslist.

However, when stuff like this are being done in droves and huge volumes, there is some external cost to the society since they are now constraining the supply and many people couldn't get one. They are bringing those phones to China or reselling it at very high markup.

I hope Apple finds a way to stop this in the future or just launch the phone in China as part of the first batch. This will eliminate a lot of these scalpers.

They are providing service to those back in China (where the phone was made) who could not buy their phone.
 
I've done my fair share of apple-line-waiting. I've felt the disappointment of not getting things despite all the effort. My first time was at 7 am, 2nd time was at 5 am, then 3 am. My point being how much effort and willingness do you have? It better be more than those "scumbag" you are quick to accuse. Don't blame other for what they are willing to do; whether it's for themselves or to profit. This is a free capitalist country. Why do you have a right to blame them for trying harder than you? It's not fair? Life is not fair stop crying about it.

Someone mention they littered and trash the sidewalk. Sure that's disrespectful and uncivilized, but that is beside the point of the video. Stay on point of what you are arguing.

Second, blame apple for creating this opportunity. Or blame Chinese government and politic. Licensing agreements basically read their government wants a bigger cut from Apple then they are willing to give. I come from a communistic country I know how it works.
 
Wow, thats insane. I'll wait a couple months for reasonable prices. They are crazy right now.
 
Apple has done the "Credit/Debit card only" policy before, failed. They have tried the "2 per Apple ID" and that failed.

People will get up in arms over anything.

I honestly didn't care, we have to make a living somehow. I just feel that they prevented at least someone from getting a phone.

They were using apple gift cards as payment.
 
Seem like decent, hard working people to me.

I'm serious.

It's the land of opportunity, and reselling is .....opportunity :D

note: Did the cop let that women bring her teddy bear?
 
They are providing service to those back in China (where the phone was made) who could not buy their phone.

Right thus I said the best way to combat this is for Apple to release the phone in China the same time as the US and this phenomenon would be greatly diminished. Not sure why you made that point in the bracket because where it was made means absolutely nothing. It's just part of global supply chain that these phones are being made there, sold in the West, and then brought back to China for exorbitant price by scalpers.
 
They are definitely determined. However many of them resort to cutting lines and shady practices to get an advantage on people. Talking from personal experience. I don't mind people reselling, I do mind people not following common courtesy rules.

Yes, it's not exactly Palo Alto at it's best.

Then again, for NYC.......:D
 
Didn't you know, white people buying phones are immune from breaking the law.

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So what if you keep yours? They are selling to people who also keep theirs, and if they got in line before you, more power to them.

Like I said earlier untill I get mine i could careless afterwards just gonna keep doing my search...
 
However, when stuff like this are being done in droves and huge volumes, there is some external cost to the society since they are now constraining the supply and many people couldn't get one. They are bringing those phones to China or reselling it at very high markup.

Uh, no, they are not. New iPhones may be in short supply NOW but anyone who wants one and can afford one will eventually get one. This is just an example of people taking advantage of a market that consists of impatient consumers with too much money and not enough sense. Nothing wrong with that. Why do you consider it your job to protect the stupid from themselves?
 
They are definitely determined. However many of them resort to cutting lines and shady practices to get an advantage on people. Talking from personal experience. I don't mind people reselling, I do mind people not following common courtesy rules.

Geez all sorts of people were cutting in line, even though one scalper tried to jump ahead of me. I was watching everyone.
 
What a mess a lady today try sell me a 16gb ip6 gold for 900 sprint version :mad: outside a best buy in Long Island ny. Becareful out there
 
Geez its a phone, not a life saving device. There are much bigger things to worry about, like my tax money being given to rebel groups in iraq and syria, that 10 years from now, we will be fighting against these very people.
 
Aaaaaah, Capitalism....

But, don't really get it....

Make iPhones in China, ship them worldwide, scalpers buy them, ship them for sale back to China... :eek:

That makes a whole lot of sense.... :rolleyes:
 
Anyone with me thinking that this is perfectly fine? It's business here they have the time so they wait and make some extra cash. who the hell are you to judge them?
 
Anyone with me thinking that this is perfectly fine? It's business here they have the time so they wait and make some extra cash. who the hell are you to judge them?

It's the privileged entitled people that has a problem with it
 
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