School me on MBP

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  1. jkcerda, Dec 20, 2013
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    Looking into picking up a13"MBP, upgrading it to the I 7 processor. Trying to keep it in the 1300 area ; PC will be used for programming. Not sure if there are other processors out there, this us my sons Christmas present Thanks

    Update. Programs to be used are
    Blender3-d
    X code
    Full Adobe suite
    Solid works
     
  2. glenthompson macrumors 68000

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    As a retired programmer, processor speed is one of he least important things needed. The development process rarely taxes the CPU. The things I consider most important are screen real estate, memory, and disk space & speed. It was always a pain to work with a 14" screen when on call. I always preferred the dual 19" monitors at the office for hard core coding.
     
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  4. ohbrilliance macrumors 6502a

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    The last classic MBP is dated. You're better off with the latest MBA. It's much lighter and will run circles around the MBP, largely due to the SSD. Also, the resolution is more suitable for the screen size, and provides more screen real estate for programming.
     
  5. pgiguere1, Dec 20, 2013
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    I suggest not getting the regular (non-Retina) 13" MBP for programming, simply because it has a low resolution (1280x800). Screen real-estate speeds up programming significantly, so having a higher resolution is preferrable.

    I suggest either offering a 13" MacBook Air (1440x900 resolution), or if your budget allows it, a 13" Retina MacBook Pro since you can adjust scaling setting to get the desired screen estate.

    The major diffenciator between the 13" Retina MacBook Pro and 13" MacBook Air is the screen quality. It's up to you to determine if the better sharpness/color reproduction is worth the premium. The 13" Retina MBP is also better for gaming than the MBA, although it has a slightly lower battery life.

    I personally think models that are the most worth it for most users are the ones with the base processor (Core i5), 256GB flash storage, and 8GB RAM. But that's just me though.

    If your son is a student, you can also get education pricing (even if it's for a gift) by visiting this page.

    Hope that helps!
     
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    At the store, Mac guy mentioned that I can't upgrade memory if I get a SSD with only 4GBs, the specs on the air seem a lot lower compared to the MBP , MBP 2.9 GHZ I7 vs 1.7 I7 on the air. I CAN get the MBP with a SSD
     
  7. ohbrilliance macrumors 6502a

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    The classic MBP with SSD will cost you more than the rMBP. Really, I would keep far away from the MBP. It's 18 months since it was updated, has a low res screen, and heavy.

    The base frequency of the MBAs are considerably lower, but the computational power is similar between the MBAs and the rMBP, so the CPU shouldn't play a large factor in the decision.
     
  8. dusk007 macrumors 68040

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    The CPU on the Air is still fast enough. It Turbos quite high and most of the time programming doesn't need any speed at all. A smartphone chip could do it. Only sometimes you need to compile which can take a while but the performance difference between the MBP and the Air is rather small subjectively. The 15" makes a more noticeable difference.

    If it is only programming I agree with glenthompson screen real estate is the only thng one misses. That is why I don't like 13". It is doable on 13" and many get by but I always preferred 15" screen size and an external screen (can be a really cheap one) whenever possible.
    I also agree that 1280x800 is a pain for any IDE to fit enough of the stuff. The Air has for its size at least a more reasonable resolution. Though more is always nice.
    8GB is useful for VMs and everything else is fine. The Air CPU is fast enough.
    I would get an Air, a retina or a windows notebook with 1920x1080 display of any size.
     
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    You can only upgrade the memory when you buy the MBA, not later, as it is soldered to the motherboard.
     
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    Sucks not knowing much about macs, rMBP needs to be configured the way I want it from the start, jacking up the price. No way to upgrade after purchase
    cMBP Seems it has not been updated in a while , advantage if it is that it CAN be upgraded , configured one with the educational discount at 1324, upgrades include the i7 processor and a 128 SSD

    An I7 rMBP would run me $1469 with only 4 GBS or $1559 with 8 GBs
    You guys appear to prefer the newer rMBP, even the Air over the older but upgradable cMBP.
     
  11. snaky69 macrumors 603

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    That would be because the model is discontinued.

    I'm typing on the last generation of the upgradeable MBPs.
     
  12. Jack Sun macrumors member

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    How old is your son?

    One thing that hasn't been mentioned: As a young person, though I'd be pretty happy no matter what, I'd secretly be a little bummed if someone (generously) got me a DISCONTINUED HEAVY SO-FIVE-YEARS-AGO laptop, when for about the same price they could've gotten me one of the sexy sleek ultra light ultra long battery new ones...

    You can get an i7/8gb air for $1349. The classic you are considering is as heavy as TWO airs.

    You can get a i5/8gb retina pro for $1399. As all the Mac and programmer experts on here keep saying, you do NOT need an i7.

    I think you are greatly overvaluing the whole "upgradable" thing...
     
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    coming from windows, it is appealing to have a PC that CAN be upgraded, wonder if I can put more that 8GBs of memory on the cMBP.

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    he is 19. he is currently using my toshiba I7 with a 1GB video card, but I cant run X-code on it.

    I'll see if I can pinch pennies for the retina MBP
     
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    Are refurbished laptops a good deal? Seems they carry the same warranty. Found a decent model
    15" retina MBP, feb 2013 release date 256 SSD, quad core i7 2.4 GHZ , but it only has 8 GBSand those are NOT upgradable
     
  15. Neodym, Dec 22, 2013
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    Some people figure those are among the best deals you can get (at least directly from Apple). I have purchased some refurb devices myself and so far all were in perfect condition. They also look like new (I think Apple routinely replaces the outer shells) - only the package might be a simple white generic one instead of the standard ones with pictures on them.

    TL;DR: Yes, good deal! Clear recommendation!

    If you plan on running a virtual machine or other, very memory hungry applications, 8GB is tight. Otherwise you can get along just fine with 8GB.
     
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    Thanks. The one draw back on the retina models is that they are not upgradable, the model with 16GBs is wayyyyyy out of budget, add to they the fact the warrant will only extend to 3 years total, something goes bad after those 3 years ill have a very expensive paper weight , for now, all the programs that will run on t will be Xcode, blender 3-d, maya and adobes suite. If I buy the classic MBP , it only comes in 13" and the memory once again will be the bottleneck at 8GBS
     
  17. ls1dreams macrumors 6502

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    This is the biggest problem with current macbooks. If you need 16gb of RAM they are insanely overpriced.

    Otherwise, OP should just get a MBP 13" 8gb/256gb SSD and add a 20-22" monitor on the side.
     
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    He is going to use a 27" monitor on the side
     
  20. scbond macrumors 6502

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    Funny that, I'm pretty sure my 2012 MBP will run circles around the MB Air.

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    Yeah, but who actually needs 16GB in a laptop?! Most of the people that go with 16GB never need anywhere near that much.
     
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    Not if your MBP is running a regular hard drive. My point is the MBA ships with a very fast SSD, whereas the comparibly priced MBP does not. The SSD gives a much greater boost to overall performance than the slightly more capable CPU of the MBP.
     
  22. snaky69 macrumors 603

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    Yes. It can take 16GB no problem. The chipset supports 32GB, but no 16GB SO-DIMMS exist on the market.
     
  23. glenthompson macrumors 68000

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    With that size monitor, a 13" will work nicely.

    One thing not mentioned is whether his school offers any special deals. Some universities offer 4 year walk-in service agreements with machines purchased through their bookstore or computer store. Covers you the entire time. A colleague's daughter got that when she went to college. I know the University of Virginia offers accident protection (spills, drops, etc.) and provides loaners while being repaired.
     
  24. nateo200 macrumors 68030

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    Just get him the 13" retina MacBook Pro with 8-16GB's of RAM...its expensive (well not that bad) but me and my friends that use things like the Adobe Suite or program value the proper tools for the job and it will last. I just got back from a get together and a bunch of us had our laptops and those with the right tools did not even mention anything about the computers but those with cheaper computers were getting frustrated with Photoshop or whatever not working well. The 15" is really the sweet spot but 13" with 8-16 of RAM is nice too.
     
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    Wondering why the apple store does not offer 16 GBs on the classic MBP
     

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