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As you probably know, the news in the US is not too complete when it comes to news outside of the country.

I have a couple of questions about the German school system.

When one finishes Realschule, is one qualified to go to work in his or her field or is more education required?

What type of career path can one choose to study in the Realschule?

At what age does one graduate from Realschule?


Is the German media saying what Tim K.'s area of study was?

Did he complete the curriculum or did he drop out?

Was he still studying something or was he employed?


Thanks.
 
They won't make the gun laws more restrictive. As even some German police spokesmen have already said, the laws that are currently in place are more than tight enough.

Especially with the hunting background, they just cannot ban handguns. The reasoning why every hunter is entitled to at least one handgun is the thing called "Gnadenschuß" -- when you've hit the game with the rifle, but only immobilized and not killed it. In this situation, the law says that a handgun is required.

Furthermore, fully automatic weapons cannot legally be purchased in Germany by civilians anyway, and semi-automatic weapons are also restricted.

Then you need to go through a LONG training (obtaining a hunter's license in Germany takes around two years of school training) and a lot of bureaucracy and exams before you are allowed to purchase a rifle.

How much more could this be restricted?

It's much easier - and quicker and cheaper - to talk to the "right" person in the "right" bar to get an illegal gun. And no law will ever prevent that sort of business.

Besides, no law could ever prevent a tragedy like this one from happening. Some people do not find a way to deal with the world as it is, and eventually they snap. If they don't use a gun, they might use a big truck and drive Amok instead of shooting. Or they lie fire to everything that comes in their way. Or they grab an axe and run through a pedestrian area. Or, or, or. There are infinite ways to run Amok, and none of them can be prevented.

And from what I've read today, this guy came from a "financially secure" family and "his parents bought him everything that he wanted". According to his teachers, he also was never mobbed, but even doing well in school and seemed to have been quite ambitious. Maybe nobody will ever know why he did what he did.

Spiegel Online wrote that he went for head shots and targeted mostly young women. Simple explanations would be that the preference for head shots could be related to zombie movies and first person shooters and the targeting of women could be related to sexual frustration or having been rejected by women that he was interested in.

Since he seemed to have been a quite intelligent person, he certainly was very aware of the consequences of his doing, so I think we can rule out an uncontrolled, spontaneous venting of aggression. I think this has been building up over a long time and he literally wanted to go out with blazing guns. Like somebody here said, this was a "suicide by cop", and he has probably fantasized about it for weeks or months before he had the opportunity (the unsecured gun) to realize it.

But no matter how long and deep this will be analyzed, the sad truth remains that tragedies like this cannot be prevented.
 
As you probably know, the news in the US is not too complete when it comes to news outside of the country.

I have a couple of questions about the German school system.

When one finishes Realschule, is one qualified to go to work in his or her field or is more education required?

What type of career path can one choose to study in the Realschule?

At what age does one graduate from Realschule?


Is the German media saying what Tim K.'s area of study was?

Did he complete the curriculum or did he drop out?

Was he still studying something or was he employed?


Thanks.

There are three main school paths in Germany (and a few others which I won't mention here): Hauptschule, Realschule and Gymnasium.

Hauptschule is nine classes, Realschule is ten classes and Gymnasium/Abitur used to be 13 classes in my time and is 12 classes today.

After Realschule, you usually learn a profession for another two to three years, while after finishing the Gymnasium you could go to a University and study.

So this guy has just graduated from a middle school and was on his way (or not) to learning a profession. I don't know more details about him, only that his parents were not doing bad financially - which implies that he most certainly did not have to worry about his future and was in no urgent need to find a job or an income. Unlike in the US, it is very common in Germany that the parents support their children even throughout their adulthood.
 
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Furthermore, fully automatic weapons cannot legally be purchased in Germany by civilians anyway, and semi-automatic weapons are also restricted.

Then you need to go through a LONG training (obtaining a hunter's license in Germany takes around two years of school training) and a lot of bureaucracy and exams before you are allowed to purchase a rifle.

How much more could this be restricted?

actually you have to consider the difference between an owning permit and a permit to carry the weapon
if somebody plans this for long what stops somebody from joining a shooting club (like this boys father was) take an entry course and then can easily get a gun with no hassle whatsoever .. that sure doesn't take 2 years
and over 25 a psychological review isn't needed anymore either

oh and just a few years ago the minimum age for shooting in a "Schützenverein" under supervision was reduced to 10 years by the german government (to get better sport shooters for sports competitions... oh teh irony)


that said in quite a bit european countries laws are less strict / different: in austria getting a long hunting rifle is easier (especially 1/2 barrel shotguns) 18 years and that's it
 
Especially with the hunting background, they just cannot ban handguns. The reasoning why every hunter is entitled to at least one handgun is the thing called "Gnadenschuß" -- when you've hit the game with the rifle, but only immobilized and not killed it. In this situation, the law says that a handgun is required.

these laws are easily changed ... as are most laws


Then you need to go through a LONG training (obtaining a hunter's license in Germany takes around two years of school training) and a lot of bureaucracy and exams before you are allowed to purchase a rifle.

How much more could this be restricted?

the problem was a legal hand gun that was incorrectly stored, not a rifle nor a black market weapon ... check out the UK gun laws for an example of how this could be more restricted. or the gun laws in Australia.
 
How much more could this be restricted?

Quite a bit, I imagine, but every nation has a different perspective. German gun ownerships seems to be predicated on a strong hunting culture. We have that too in the U.S. of course, but that's only part of the picture here.

the problem was a legal hand gun that was incorrectly stored, not a rifle nor a black market weapon ... check out the UK gun laws for an example of how this could be more restricted. or the gun laws in Australia.

I mentioned this earlier and it's an important point. It isn't that gun laws failed, rather that people failed to follow them.
 
1. Make it clear to parents that they are responsible for their kids and must be available to them. That means no matter how hard your job is, you MUST have time in your day where your kids can talk to you about their problems and feel like you take them seriously. Otherwise, DON'T HAVE KIDS!!!!

Forget that approach right away (except for the don't have kids part). The government now dictates how you may raise your kids. Some parents have just given-up the ghost, so the kids do what they want.

Btw. this also explains why in the US there is more shootings than in Canada even though Canadians have almost as many guns.

Source please, otherwise I'm calling BS.
 
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