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There is no money in a cure.

Watch the movie Forks Over Knives and you will understand what is the main cause of cancer.

They also prove that if you remove meat/dairy from your diet, you cannot get cancer.

If you already have cancer and you cut meat/dairy out of your diet, it cannot progress and many times it will regress!

Ahh the Steve Jobs school of thought...

There is an open source movement in science btw. I can't speak for medicine, but I see it in the social sciences. www.doaj.org has a listing. Also, my University publishes all papers to their web repository as well.
 
Ahh the Steve Jobs school of thought...

There is an open source movement in science btw. I can't speak for medicine, but I see it in the social sciences. www.doaj.org has a listing. Also, my University publishes all papers to their web repository as well.

Wow.. I just looked at that film. The correlation of reported types of death in occupied Norway took the cake. Nazi's weren't exactly interested in health issues and those numbers are dubious. Also, I'll bet that other natural causes declined as well..people die from different things in wars you know...
 
This is a general article on the fight, but check out Pamela Ohashi's study near the end. I heard about this on CBC2 on Tuesday. :cool:

Let the Cancer cells select their own executioner, as it were. ;)

Much easier than gene engineering, if it works.
 
Yeah, I know. It sounds crazy but its true.

Think about it this way. There is not a drug in the world that can cure diabetes. However, if you eat well and exercise, it will disappear.

The drug companies do not want the public knowing this.

As loath as I am to feed the trolls, this (as well as your other posts in this thread) is a blatant oversimplification, which kills your credibility on all things medical as far as I'm concerned...

Just as a simple-to-prove example, diabetes is not a monolithic disease. While indeed type 2 diabetes (diabetes mellitus, that is, not diabetes insipidus) responds excellently to exercise, that certainly isn't the case for type 1 diabetes. Conversely T1D responds excellently to insulin injections, which for all intents and purposes must be considered a drug, no?
 
It's a bit more complicated than that, I'm afraid. Please read my previous posts. There is no magic bullet, nor will there ever really be-- the variation is massive, to say the least, and the understanding is minimal. People's distrust of large corporations is understandable I suppose, but these are also institutions of science-- people who came from and work with NPOs, academia, etc. The employees do want to cure these diseases and help people on the whole. (Some only care about themselves, of course, but that exists in any area since its a characteristic of mankind). Academics typically don't are about "business" in the literal sense-- they may sell a technology, but very few want to create and run a business. Accordingly they hold no bars as to what they publish and research. Also know that companies themselves still publish in journals as well (and usually quite a bit, too). I think people need to drop the "industry is bad" mantle but whenever there's something that's generally not understood the worst is always assumed. Make no mistake that they're trying to cure it because there is money involved-- since it's not going to be a one-size-fits all job there's going to be plenty of room for plenty of treatments. As I said before pharma has been spending billions and 30 years working on kinase inhibitors, just to name one possible approach.


A pessismistic view undoubtedly garned by lack of understanding. These "fixes" are the best mankind can do, at the moment. And these "fixes" are all competing against eachother. Please read some of my previous posts. Again, when it comes to science there's not a black and white answer-- if a company (lets say Merck and Co, since they're hurting) were to come out with a cure for bladder cancer that covered 90% of the tumor population... you bet your ass they would market that into oblivion to maximise their profits and outcompete their rivals. See, the issue isn't that their colluding to negate treatment, the issue is that there is no quick route to a "cure" at the moment. Biology is complicated-- there's not quick fixes and shortcuts in most cases, at least in regards to cancer.

I dislike to call you out on this... but your notion of a common cold cure exposes your lack of knowledge in the area. There are no cut and dry cures for the common cold, hence why none are offered. A common cold is a viral infection, of which there's probably 30,000 variants at any one time. This means 30,000 differences among themselves, with different genetics, proteins, receptors, etc. When you're designing an anti-viral, you typically want to select for one protein type to knock out of function to stop viral activity. It sounds simple on paper, but in reality it's not. There was an effort awhile ago to target the injection machinery for viruses (I forget which one(s))-- they made inhibitors, etc. Looked good on paper and preliminary tests. Thing is, it failed miserably in animals for one simple reason: most viruses mutate quickly. Very quickly. It's how they survive. You can design a "cure" for something (which may be one of the thousands of common colds), only to have it mutate away the next day... in essence the virus behaves much like your own immune system, which is why your body can cope with it (via polyclonal antibodies and clonal selection, which is a function of mass mutations within the antibody chains). Accordingly the best way to combat the common cold is to use yourself... which is the whole point of vaccines (hence the flu vaccine). The idea here is that you inject a broad range of dead viruses to which your body develops polyclonal antibodies to their features... the next time something similar comes along one of the polyclonals will likely fit and bind even with mass mutations (because the antibodies themselves are mutated)... from here clonal selection pretty much does the rest and your body can cope quickly. I'm simplifying this a lot, but this is exactly why large viral classes cannot be shut down by small molecule therapeutics.

That said, there are some anti-virals out there. They are highly specific and only work on one virus type, which typically does not mutate quickly and retains certain defining features. "The common cold" is not one of those, since it encompasses such a large pool of vastly different organisms. Also note that these antivirals too are still subject to being ineffective through mutations-- tamiflu for swine flu won't work on an increasing percentage of cases, for example. Given the cost to develop these (and the high failure rate), and the massive number it would take to "cure" the common cold, it only makes sense that they're focusing on the important diseases first... a common cold isn't likely to kill you, whereas H1N1, HIV, influenza A and B, etc will. Outside of vaccines there will probably never be a practical antiviral drug for the "common cold."

You sir, are amazing. <3 i could read these posts all day lol
 
If this was indeed true, which I doubt somewhat, then it's obvious why the pharmaceutical companies are not interested. The money's in the treatment, not the cure.

Cancer is not caused by pathogens, it's caused by cellular mutation which can't be prevented. So cure or not, people will always get cancer and will pay whatever company to cure them. So if this treatment actually worked and a pharm company actually put it to market, they'd make a killing.

There's no conspiracy here.
 
Think about it this way. There is not a drug in the world that can cure diabetes. However, if you eat well and exercise, it will disappear.

How about autoimmune diabetes where your cytotoxic T cells kill your insulin-producing beta cells? You're a simpleton if you believe diabetes is just one disease. Same for cancer.

The drug companies do not want the public knowing this.

Please. Pharmaceutical companies aren't as smart as academicians. And if any academician new this it would be really big news.

Watch the movie Forks Over Knives and you will understand what is the main cause of cancer.

You mean like antibiotics? Or how about juvenile leukemia? It was once 90% fatal. Now it's 10% fatal.

They also prove that if you remove meat/dairy from your diet, you cannot get cancer.

No, they haven't because it's not true.

If you already have cancer and you cut meat/dairy out of your diet, it cannot progress and many times it will regress!

Loony.

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Cancer is not caused by pathogens, it's caused by cellular mutation which can't be prevented.

The exceptions are the tumor viruses.
 
I came across an interesting interview yesterday:

There is now a growing body of research showing that insulin and insulin-like growth factor are cancer promoters. I actually have a five page article about this research in the journal Science today. The idea is that you avoid cancer by keeping insulin levels as low as possible, which means avoiding these same fattening carbohydrates we’ve been talking about, and arguably eating an animal product, fat-rich diet. It’s the same type of diet we’ve been eating for two million years, prior to agriculture, and the same diet that many of these indigenous populations were still eating through the early 20th century.

Actually, while I was doing research for this story I interviewed the head of the cancer research centre at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Centre at Harvard Medical School, as well as Craig Thompson, the president of Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Centre in Manhattan. Both of them told me they were effectively on the Atkins diet – very low carb, high fat, mostly animal products – not because they wanted to lose weight, but because they didn’t want to get cancer.

Full Interview
 
deafgoose: Watch the movie Forks Over Knives and you will understand what is the main cause of cancer. They also prove that if you remove meat/dairy from your diet, you cannot get cancer.

Me: Hey, Ghost of Steve Jobs, is that true?

Ghost of Steve Jobs: No.
 
Cancers have been cured.... well some of them at least. Look at imatinib and chronic myelogenous leukemia... from wiki: "In 2011, an independent study performed in 832 CML patients worldwide reported that the group of patients who achieve a stable cytogenetic response with imatinib shows an overall survival rate of 95.2% after 8 years, which is similar to the rate in the general population." Oh and the pharma companies make and sell this drug... and it holds the record for the fastest approval time by the FDA.

The problem with cancer as a whole is that by nature, they are all very different beasts. Breast cancer is different from leukemia which is different from pancreatic cancer... and within each type of cancer, you'll have multiple other factors contributing to it too (genetics, DNA mutations/damage, viruses, etc). I can't see a one-size-fits-all cure just yet and I doubt there ever will.

Those that say there aren't cancer cure drugs because Big Pharma wants to make money often don't understand just how complex cancer really is.
 
Intersting website

So, lots of interesting discussion about cancer, and potential cures, but as to the original poster's question. I have to say that I think this website (from the OP) either:
A.) understands more than you and I will EVER know about how the world "really works" or
B.) is a few fries short of a happy meal. See here.
That is one of the other "news" items they posted, along with the cure for cancer one.
 
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